Frein Captured

[Anti Federalist]

Frein is a spineless coward and there's no place in a civilized society for such a psychopath assuming he is guilty as charged. I can't believe that any of those that follow and support Ron Paul could condone such callous acts of violence. Yes, there's a few bad cops (just like any other profession) and we have govt that overplays it authoritarian hand but snipping off innocent people doing their job is evil.

You and I have different ideas of what a spineless coward is:

 

[osan]

Looks remarkably well maintained, even a fresh shave, for someone that's been in the woods for nearly two months.

There was something about the photo that was bothering me. I was thinking it was the nose, but in fact it was this. Good, astute catch.

I am usually loathe to make too many assumptions, but I will go out on a limb on this one and say that this clean-shave makes no sense to me whatsoever. This barbered state suggests to me that either he had nothing to do with that of which he is accused or someone pooched the set (as in film). Who in hell is going to bother shaving when every moment of every day for 8 weeks is spent evading capture in 5-minute chunks?

I despise facial hair on myself. I look like an escaped child-molester and it is very uncomfortable... not to mention plainly gross. Even so, were I in that position I would not be spending so much as one second thinking of breaking out the razor. In fact, a razor would not be in my zombie bag in the first place.

If someone has a good explanation of this, I would love to see it.

 

[osan]

I think the critical mass of those who see cops for what they really are, is approaching.

Not likely.

Have you ever considered that all this abuse is nothing fancier than a training regimen designed to break us to the harness?

Turn it up and keep it up. After a while the perception of "normal" is altered and as the violence to the psyche wicks up, it notices less and less what is really happening.

This is Cognitive Psychology 101. How do you think the Marines churn out their killers?

 

[osan]

Seeing this picture reminds me of a story a friend of mine told me. He raised hogs back in the 80's and sold a bunch to an operator who came out to his place to pick up a load. Every hog that got a little aggressive, the buyer would take a thick piece of iron rebar and smash them in the face and break their noses. He didn't care about their health because they were going to slaughter, he just didn't want them fighting. My friend was pretty horrified, but they weren't his hogs anymore.

Frein belongs to the cops now.

Sadly for me, my reaction would have been to work the prick over with his own iron bar. Such brands of cruelty I avoid at nearly any cost because I do not want to go to prison for maiming or killing someone. I don't do abuse.

Speaking of critters, tonight I traded one of my bucks, Samson, for a registered Boer doe (goats). She is very pretty and Sammy is going to a good home.

 

[osan]

I know this is sort of off topic for this thread, but I don't understand why you have such a double standard for cops. I can understand holding them up to the same standard as a normal citizen. And I can understand holding them up to Biblical standards. What I don't get, is why you randomly support the death penalty based on what appears to be solely ancap prejudice.

You have made up your own set of capital crimes, 'Freedom Fanatics Torah' we could call it.

Any violation of the public trust should be met with draconian consequences. If you need this explained to you, there is no explanation that would lead you to get it.

 

[osan]

1 dead, 1 wounded.

They were both already dead on the inside.

 

[osan]

"He got on his knees and surrendered his face to the officer's fists peacefully"

I'm rather surprised they did not take turns skull-fucking him.

 

[idiom]

We SHOULD be outraged that they obviously beat the shit out of the guy before they got him in front of the cameras. We SHOULD be outraged that police agencies waste money and abuse power every single day. We SHOULD be outraged that cops are disproportionately thuggish and nasty. But we should NOT be calling an alleged murderer a hero just because his victim was a random cop instead of a random 'civilian'.

So close but so far.

Maybe Frein is properly outraged at the Police State, and you simply haven't been pushed far enough yet to see it.

The way the state operates is on track to generate a revolution eventually.

 

[osan]

The Eric Frein Event showed the "Freedoms" you "have" when a Holy Cop gets murdered. Now they can continue throwing grenades at babies sleeping in their cribs all "innocent" and shit.

Million-dollar idea: Manufacture grenade-resistant windows. Want to bet they'd sell like hotcakes?

Just imagine the first stupid bastard cops to thump a grenade against one of these, only to have it land in their own kissers. I'd pay money to see it. I'd pay extra to be able to cheer without fear of being the next person to experience the wrong end of a SWAT raid.

A triple-pane window, the middle being 1" thick bandit barrier. Shoot, you'd make a fortune just off sales in the South Bronx.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Million-dollar idea: Manufacture grenade-resistant windows. Want to bet they'd sell like hotcakes?

Just imagine the first stupid bastard cops to thump a grenade against one of these, only to have it land in their own kissers. I'd pay money to see it. I'd pay extra to be able to cheer without fear of being the next person to experience the wrong end of a SWAT raid.

A triple-pane window, the middle being 1" thick bandit barrier. Shoot, you'd make a fortune just off sales in the South Bronx.

There is ballistic film that can be applied to existing windows that would work.

http://www.azalphaglass.com/Ballistic_Film.html

 

[squarepusher]

You and I have different ideas of what a spineless coward is:

Here is the difference. The police accidentally grenaded the kid (they obviously didn't mean to do that to a baby). Frein purposely killed the police offer (while in a hiding surprise attack).

Now, you can fault the police for being a part of the raid that, their line of work, or other, but there is a difference. The real blame is the laws/code that says the officers need to do these raids to get drug offenders. The officers are just doing their job, so lets change their jobs so they wont be doing that anymore.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Here is the difference. The police accidentally grenaded the kid (they obviously didn't mean to do that to a baby). Frein purposely killed the police offer (while in a hiding surprise attack).

Now, you can fault the police for being a part of the raid that, their line of work, or other, but there is a difference. The real blame is the laws/code that says the officers need to do these raids to get drug offenders. The officers are just doing their job, so lets change their jobs so they wont be doing that anymore.

I could not care less about any Nuremberg Defenses.

I was merely commenting on what I consider to be the properties of a spineless coward.

“Pray for the children, pray for the baby, pray for the family,” Terrell said. “It makes you do some soul-searching, and it makes you question, ‘Are you doing what you’re supposed to be doing?’”

That was the sheriff right after it happened.

He knows what he's doing and did was wrong, and deliberately hid behind his badge and position of authority to tell everybody to Fuck Off.

Spineless Coward.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Here is the difference. The police accidentally grenaded the kid (they obviously didn't mean to do that to a baby). Frein purposely killed the police offer (while in a hiding surprise attack).

Now, you can fault the police for being a part of the raid that, their line of work, or other, but there is a difference. The real blame is the laws/code that says the officers need to do these raids to get drug offenders. The officers are just doing their job, so lets change their jobs so they wont be doing that anymore.

Just doing their jobs, amirite?

It was when the third officer walked in that the 90-pound teen was stunned with a Tazer and fell to the floor.

According to Antohony Owens, a family friend, Vidal Collapsed backwards on to the floor the two officers jumped on top of the 5ft 3 100 lb Vidal to restrain him.

As Vidal’s Father tried to step in and grab the screw driver the Southport Police Officer that had instructed the other officers to use their tasers, moved between the father and the pile of people on the floor and said “We don’t have time for this” and shot Vidal Once in the chest as the other two Officers held him on the floor.

Vidal’s father then grabbed the officer as he was lining himself up for another shot.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/co...d-teen-we-time-this-bang/#KSvUsLcAYdmcx5Vi.99

 

[Anti Federalist]

Here is the difference. The police accidentally grenaded the kid (they obviously didn't mean to do that to a baby)

There was all sorts of indications that there were young children in the home, that were deliberately ignored in order for the raid to proceed.

If you or I did that, regardless of "accidental" circumstances, we'd be in jail.

 

[jonhowe]

So close but so far.

Maybe Frein is properly outraged at the Police State, and you simply haven't been pushed far enough yet to see it.

The way the state operates is on track to generate a revolution eventually.

That seems like a pretty dumb way to operate...

And maybe he is. If he is, I look forward to hearing it. He hasn't given any indication so far... but I see you're convinced because you "pushed far enough" and made up that little story in your head (like most people here).

You and I have different ideas of what a spineless coward is:

It's almost, ALMOST, like it's possible for there to be more than one bad guy in a story...

Almost.

That is the story. but it is only the story because that is what the Police Spokesman says.

I have no idea. Perhaps he died of a heart attack,, but they needed a training exercise.
or perhaps it was "friendly fire" and they don't want to say that.

We have only the word of the Paid Mouthpiece.

Again. By that logic we don't know if Frein even exists. So why support him?

How do you know the cop he killed was innocent? Do you expect that same authoritarian hand to tell you if he wasn't innocent? Just wondering..
As for me, the jury is still out.

Well, he was never convicted (or accused) of a crime punishable by death. Unless you've heard something I've havent?

Yeah, I'm gonna call bullshit on this as well.

Not one tenth of the resources that went into this would have been expended had you or I or some other mundane been killed.

Yes. We all know that. Whoever shot the cop knew that too; that was the WHOLE FREAKING POINT, clearly. Hence the pre-planning, the supplies, etc.

The only thing the shooter has accomplished in this story is to get the country to like cops again. Random murder is NOT a way to win hearts and minds. This is what this forum agrees when it comes to foreign policy; why isn't it when it comes to cops?

Is it war, or is it not?

It is not. Only the congress can declare war

But seriously, no, it is not a war between people and cops. They may act like it sometimes, but that doesn't make it so.





This is literally the only place I find myself "defending" police (and trust me, I'm not doing that; this manhunt was an absolute waste/travesty, as are most major police activities). It's shocking how this forum subscribes to peace and a right to life, unless you're a cop.

 

[jonhowe]

There was all sorts of indications that there were young children in the home, that were deliberately ignored in order for the raid to proceed.

If you or I did that, regardless of "accidental" circumstances, we'd be in jail.

You are arguing against us like we think the raid was a great idea and totally justified and that no one should get in trouble for this kind of thing and cops drink free at our place. Like we're thrilled this baby is disfigured and cops give us tingles up our legs. I hope you realize that's not the case; no one here thinks that.

But the dead cop didn't grenade the baby. And even if he did, it is not a crime punishable by death.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Here is the difference. The police accidentally grenaded the kid (they obviously didn't mean to do that to a baby). Frein purposely killed the police offer (while in a hiding surprise attack).

The police who "accidentally" grenaded Baby Bou Bou did so in the course of attempting to kidnap a man who (so far as I have heard) had done NO harm to any person or property.

But crimes committed by police as part of "just doing their jobs" are officially sanctioned by the state.
Crimes committed against police are not.

The murderers of Kelly Thomas, Aiyana Jones, Eric Garner, Jose Guerena, etc., etc., ad nauseum have badges.
They will NOT be punished (with exceedingly rare exceptions).

Eric Frein does not have a badge.
Eric Frein WILL be punished.

THAT is the only difference here.

I can't help but wonder: if I tried to capture a man who had done nothing wrong and was no threat to me just in order to "fine" him (i.e., extort money from him) and/or lock him up in a cage, and I "accidentally" grenaded a baby in the process of doing so, would you be here explaining how it was "just an accident" and that I "obviously didn't mean to do that to a baby?" Or would you just denounce me as a vicious baby-mangling criminal? If you have a shred of decency, you would do the latter - so why should it make any difference if I happened to have a government-issued badge?

Now, you can fault the police for being a part of the raid that, their line of work, or other, but there is a difference. The real blame is the laws/code that says the officers need to do these raids to get drug offenders. The officers are just doing their job, so lets change their jobs so they wont be doing that anymore.

Ah, the old "just doing their jobs" dodge.

Well, Nazi concentration camp guards were "just doing their jobs," too. [h/t Godwin's Law]
(So I suppose your advice to Jews, gypsies, etc. would have been for them to "change their overseers' jobs" ... )

Why should it be incumbent upon the victims to "change the jobs" of their victimizers - instead of incumbent upon the victimizers to change their jobs (or just stop doing those jobs)? (And if most of them are the "good apples" they are allegedly supposed to be, why do they need someone else to "change their jobs" for them?)

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

The real blame is the laws/code that says the officers need to do these raids to get drug offenders.

Legislation does not dictate the enforcement of that legislation. Police have wide discretion in the laws that they enforce. Police are one third of government, equal to that of legislators who pass these laws.

The police are not robotic entities incapable of choice. They make choices. Choices become actions. Actions have consequences.

 

[tod evans]

Oh bullshit!

I've not seen kops roll out this type of parade for anyone but another kop...



I have no reason to believe what's set forth in the newz by governments spokesmen, what you believe is your prerogative.






No it doesn't but kops, ALL KOPS, have declared a war, they're armed and dangerous, obviously hunting the citizenry so this particular instance might actually be vengeance for the kops behavior in which case I wouldn't view it as murder.





Nor is it some low IQ kops place to decide which citizen gets gunned down in the street like a dog, or which woman gets assaulted or baby blown up yet that's exactly what's happening in this war they've declared.

If you're so against fighting back that's up to you but when you talk bad about some dude with the balls to use their own tactics back on them I've got to wonder whose agenda you're pushin'?

11-02-2014 01:01 AM
jonhowe
Thread: Frein Captured
You are a frightening person.

How about discussing your problem out here in the open?

Cowardly behind the scene drive by negative rep makes me ask you this question again;

If you're so against fighting back that's up to you but when you talk bad about some dude with the balls to use their own tactics back on them I've got to wonder whose agenda you're pushin'?

Whose agenda are you pushin; Jon-boy?

What is it about me that frightens you?

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

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Tod, I don't what's up with this damn forum. You post the Get-a-Rope emoticon and people freak out. I dig an extra layer of detail and people think I'm creepy.

I think a lot of forum posting is catharsis, but there are limits to this nonsense. I can't imagine how a person would constantly jump out of his skin if a grenade disfigured his baby's face. I mean really--what kind of reaction do people expect when someone blatantly shoots your dog? I mean, geez already--there has to be a defined limit in what a person will tolerate. You can't just keep pushing people like they're some kind of garbage already. Enough already.