Frein Captured

[phill4paul]

Sadly for me, my reaction would have been to work the prick over with his own iron bar. Such brands of cruelty I avoid at nearly any cost because I do not want to go to prison for maiming or killing someone. I don't do abuse.

Indeed. What someone does to their hogs on their property is one thing. What they do to their hogs on my property is something else entirely.

 

[phill4paul]

It is not. Only the congress can declare war

Controlled Substances Act (CSA), Title II of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970. 91st United States Congress.

It's shocking how this forum subscribes to peace and a right to life, unless you're a cop.

Perhaps it is because cops are transgressors against peace and a right to life?

 

[pcosmar]

Again. By that logic we don't know if Frein even exists. So why support him?

Who said I support him? I do not know him. I do not know if his presented persona is a complete fabrication,, or has some basis in reality.

I observe.

I oppose the Police State. I am opposed to authoritarianism.. ( the polar opposite of Liberty)
I oppose the massive waste. the violation of rights. and the arrogance.

Frein is irrelevant. I have no idea if he was a fabricated persona for a training op,, or some real person on a private mission.
My information about him was provided by people that are known liars,, and as such, is suspect.

 

[pcosmar]

But the dead cop didn't grenade the baby. And even if he did, it is not a crime punishable by death.

I have no idea of what crimes he has never been charged with,,

There are various crimes committed every day by state enforcers that are never investigated nor charges filed by the corrupt and complicit courts.

Oh,, and btw..

an armed assault on a home and injury to a child in the process, is a crime worth immediate execution on the spot.
A dangerous animal that would do such is a threat to all. and should be put down immediately.

 

[tod evans]

Million-dollar idea: Manufacture grenade-resistant windows. Want to bet they'd sell like hotcakes?

Just imagine the first stupid bastard cops to thump a grenade against one of these, only to have it land in their own kissers. I'd pay money to see it. I'd pay extra to be able to cheer without fear of being the next person to experience the wrong end of a SWAT raid.

A triple-pane window, the middle being 1" thick bandit barrier. Shoot, you'd make a fortune just off sales in the South Bronx.

Lexan

It can be laminated to make bullet-proof "glass", although "bullet-resistant" is more accurate for the thinner windows, such as are used in bullet-resistant windows in automobiles. The thicker barriers of transparent plastic used in teller's windows and barriers in banks are also polycarbonate.

Several decades ago I was involved in retrofitting a looney-bin with Lexan windows, one of the salesmans demonstrations was to empty a 1911 into a piece of 1/2".....

 

[tod evans]

I have no idea of what crimes he has never been charged with,,

There are various crimes committed every day by state enforcers that are never investigated nor charges filed by the corrupt and complicit courts.

Oh,, and btw..

an armed assault on a home and injury to a child in the process, is a crime worth immediate execution on the spot.
A dangerous animal that would do such is a threat to all. and should be put down immediately.

The laws they use in their courts that encompass RICO and the various conspiracy statutes could quite readily be applied to all kops and their co-conspirators in the "Just-Us" system.....

It is not just tacit cooperation they exhibit, they take public oaths and make public declarations of war.

 

[presence]

Perhaps it is because cops are transgressors against peace and a right to life?

Perhaps those of us that have luckily been spared their abuse are suffering from

"survivors guilt", "vicarious traumatization", and "cognitive dissonance"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivor_guilt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicarious_traumatization
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

Which leave a state of parataxic distortion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parataxic_distortion

yearning for transference of accomplishment to overcome the unfelt but ever present threat from the brutal hands of the despot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transference

Something, something, something...Whatever my rage for the day.

pretty much that

 

[jonhowe]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Tod, I don't what's up with this damn forum. You post the Get-a-Rope emoticon and people freak out. I dig an extra layer of detail and people think I'm creepy.

I think a lot of forum posting is catharsis, but there are limits to this nonsense. I can't imagine how a person would constantly jump out of his skin if a grenade disfigured his baby's face. I mean really--what kind of reaction do people expect when someone blatantly shoots your dog? I mean, geez already--there has to be a defined limit in what a person will tolerate. You can't just keep pushing people like they're some kind of garbage already. Enough already.

How about discussing your problem out here in the open?

Cowardly behind the scene drive by negative rep makes me ask you this question again;

If you're so against fighting back that's up to you but when you talk bad about some dude with the balls to use their own tactics back on them I've got to wonder whose agenda you're pushin'?

Whose agenda are you pushin; Jon-boy?

What is it about me that frightens you?

OH CRAP YOU CAUGHT ME! I got home from a 12 hour shift at work (yes, on Saturday) last night and came on here and called you scary (you are, you aren't the only one I said that to, and yet you're the only one with a big enough ego to feel the need to publicize my big bad wolf tactics) all as part of a plan to push my agenda to... make cops shoot more people? I don't know. Keep trying to figure it out; I'm definitely interested in what you make up next




Seriously though. Tod. What frightens me is you think random murder of 1 person is justified by the actions of an entire population of other people. That's the same moral justification that had us invade Iraq (Saddam scary!), Libya, etc. Whose agenda are YOU pushing?

I'm sorry that it suddenly became popular to be pro-war on this forum (but only against cops).

 

[tod evans]

OH CRAP YOU CAUGHT ME! I got home from a 12 hour shift at work (yes, on Saturday) last night and came on here and called you scary (you are, you aren't the only one I said that to, and yet you're the only one with a big enough ego to feel the need to publicize my big bad wolf tactics) all as part of a plan to push my agenda to... make cops shoot more people? I don't know. Keep trying to figure it out; I'm definitely interested in what you make up next




Seriously though. Tod. What frightens me is you think random murder of 1 person is justified by the actions of an entire population of other people. That's the same moral justification that had us invade Iraq (Saddam scary!), Libya, etc. Whose agenda are YOU pushing?

I'm sorry that it suddenly became popular to be pro-war on this forum (but only against cops).

Hystronics much?

I see kops in one light, that being the ground soldiers of a government that has declared war on its citizens.

If that scares you? GOOD! It should.

I respect your right to behave as you wish in the face of an open declaration of war while you sir attempt to misdirect and confuse the issue at hand.

I very clearly stated that I had no knowledge of Mr Frein's motives and that I placed no creedence in the government's propaganda. Do not attribute your impressions of my typed words as something other than what they actually say.

I have ASKED you what your agenda is, I haven't ascribed one to you....

 

[phill4paul]

I'm sorry that it suddenly became popular to be pro-war on this forum (but only against cops).

I think pro-defense would be the proper word. Defense can take many forms. Including offense.

 

[RJB]

In the scheme of things, I'm less intimidated by "scary" Tod in internet land than the unknown police officer tailing me for no reason.

 

[jonhowe]

Who said I support him? I do not know him. I do not know if his presented persona is a complete fabrication,, or has some basis in reality.

I observe.

I oppose the Police State. I am opposed to authoritarianism.. ( the polar opposite of Liberty)
I oppose the massive waste. the violation of rights. and the arrogance.

Frein is irrelevant. I have no idea if he was a fabricated persona for a training op,, or some real person on a private mission.
My information about him was provided by people that are known liars,, and as such, is suspect.

I may have mistaken another post, calling him a hero, for yours. If so I apologize.

I also oppose the police state. I oppose the federal reserve, but despite my proximity to their NY HQ, you don't see me sitting across the street with a sniper rifle downing people. That would be both immoral (murder) and illogical (it would make people sympathize with the Fed, the most dangerous and radical institution on the planet right now).

Part of the problem in this thread is that people are debating 2 sides of 2 issues without much differentiation.:
A. Did Frein shoot the cop?
B. Is it ok to shoot cops?

A. We won't know for sure either way until more info comes out (IF it does). I don't see anyone on here calling for a summary execution of the guy (the one side of the argument), but I do see people on here who seem to know for 100% sure that he did not. That, I find curious.
B. I can't believe it's even being debated, but I guess it's good to see that Ron Paul supporters can by hypocrites too. Anti war/violence overseas, pro war/violence against cops. The fact that the grenaded baby story (a travesty that should have seen several cops jailed) even made it into this thread is proof of the hypocrisy; it's like when Bush would reference 9/11 as justification for Iraq. There was no real connection, but if you can get people scared they're easier to convince!

 

[jonhowe]

In the scheme of things, I'm less intimidated by "scary" Tod in internet land than the unknown police officer tailing me for no reason.

I'm scared of anyone who thinks random murder is ok. That includes most cops, and now Tod as well.

 

[tod evans]

I'm scared of anyone who thinks random murder is ok. That includes most cops, and now Tod as well.

You lying piece of shit!

Random murder eh?

Good God man there's certainly free government clinics that'll provide you with meds in NY.

It's the "random murder" that occurs on citizens daily by kops that I'm against, I'm also against government's agents assaulting and harassing citizens...

 

[jonhowe]

You lying piece of shit!

Random murder eh?

Good God man there's certainly free government clinics that'll provide you with meds in NY.

It's the "random murder" that occurs on citizens daily by kops that I'm against, I'm also against government's agents assaulting and harassing citizens...

Yes, random murder, eh. I'm against random murder by cops, too. There's plenty of threads about those. Ive shared and discussed them. on Facebook, and with friends and family a hundred times.

Again, no one here is supporting random murder by cops. YOU are supporting random murder OF cops.

 

[tod evans]

Yes, random murder, eh. I'm against random murder by cops, too. There's plenty of threads about those. Ive shared and discussed them. on Facebook, and with friends and family a hundred times.

Again, no one here is supporting random murder by cops. YOU are supporting random murder OF cops.

Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.

Find where I have advocated or even "supported" the random murder of kops, go ahead, if you need help with the quotation button that can be provided.

You're a real yellow bellied piece of work.

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By the way;

What is your agenda Jon-boy?

Throwing false accusations around only serves to obfuscate the issue...

 

[pcosmar]

I'm scared of anyone who thinks random murder is ok.

Random?

I am a generally peaceful old hippy. but I am not a pacifist.
I am an advocate of self defense and community defense. I am second Amendment supporter.

The Second Amendment is there to keep government in check. and to shoot them if they overstep their bounds.

It is self defense/community defense from the Government.

Police are a threat. By their very existence,,they are a threat. I have no issues with someone addressing that threat.
http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/defunlaw.htm

“When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified.” Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.

“An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery.” (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).

“One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance.” (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).

The fact is,, the scourge known as "police" should not exist,, and should not be tolerated in a free society.

The Fact is, we are not in a free society.

 

[Danke]

Million-dollar idea: Manufacture grenade-resistant windows. Want to bet they'd sell like hotcakes?

Just imagine the first stupid bastard cops to thump a grenade against one of these, only to have it land in their own kissers. I'd pay money to see it. I'd pay extra to be able to cheer without fear of being the next person to experience the wrong end of a SWAT raid.

A triple-pane window, the middle being 1" thick bandit barrier. Shoot, you'd make a fortune just off sales in the South Bronx.

I think these would work.
http://www.hurricanewindow.com

My friend has these type of windows in his Florida home.

 

[sparebulb]

I think these would work.
http://www.hurricanewindow.com

My friend has these type of windows in his Florida home.

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[jjdoyle]

Here is the difference. The police accidentally grenaded the kid (they obviously didn't mean to do that to a baby). Frein purposely killed the police offer (while in a hiding surprise attack).

Now, you can fault the police for being a part of the raid that, their line of work, or other, but there is a difference. The real blame is the laws/code that says the officers need to do these raids to get drug offenders. The officers are just doing their job, so lets change their jobs so they wont be doing that anymore.

No, the police purposefully grenaded that child. How did they not mean to do it?
They went into the situation in willful ignorance at best, and used a potentially lethal weapon. They ignored the obvious around them. A vehicle with a carseat or two in it. Toys in the front yard. And, the obvious fact the suspect's vehicle wasn't even at the house. But, they are protected from their actions because of a uniform and a piece of shiny metal they wear?

And, for all I know, Eric Frein acted in the defense of his brother and his brother's family. He was apparently at his brother's wedding as best man, and if he heard his brother and sister-in-law take a typical oath, "to death to us part", maybe Eric Frein took that seriously? Saw/heard of a problem in the marriage? Maybe his brother was being threatened?

We know there was a sister-in-law connection reported in one story about a possible affair with the guy killed, but the media isn't really addressing it or mentioning it as a potential motive.

But, with the fact that we know there was one potential connection here with the guy killed, and Frein wasn't targeting the public, I would say Frein was addressing a problem with his family. Nothing more. The only reason he got attention and a massive manhunt, is because it was one of the King's men in uniform.