Frein Captured

[tangent4ronpaul]

Well, I've never known surrender to stop the cops from shooting someone, but point taken on #2. I'll admit I'm not sure what the difference is.

When the cops think you killed one of their own, especially if it's their department - they are usually indistinguishable from a lynch mob.

THe Marshal Service, OTOH, is responsible for transporting prisoners and when they escape, are responsible for bringing them back alive. Kind of like bounty hunters. They don't do law enforcement. They are about prisoners and escapees.

-t

 

[jonhowe]

When the cops think you killed one of their own, especially if it's their department - they are usually indistinguishable from a lynch mob.


-t

And this is not OK. Intentionally provoking cops into outsized responses (as the shooter, possibly Frein, did here) certainly doesn't help anything, and allows for justification for further outsizes responses.




Members here seem to enjoy projecting their own ideas onto this blank slate that is Frein.
Thought: "Cops are evil: Frein shot 2 to start the revolution!"
Reality: "Policing in this country is fucked: Frein shot 2 cops and gave people a reason to support cops again!"

 

[tod evans]

"I see kops in one light, that being the ground soldiers of a government that has declared war on its citizens. "

That enough for you?


No? Ok, here's another:

"...ALL KOPS, have declared a war, they're armed and dangerous, obviously hunting the citizenry so this particular instance might actually be vengeance for the kops behavior in which case I wouldn't view it as murder."

Ask and you shall receive.

So, somehow in your feeble mind, me believing what kops have said repeatedly is "supporting the random murder of kops"?

Or.......since you chose to use a quote where I stated my view on murder charges in a warzone, do you see that as "supporting the random murder of kops"?

Either way that's quite a reach there Ace, it takes some real mental gymnastics to even try to draw that analogy let alone succeed...

Keep searching, maybe I've posted something in another thread that'll reach the bar because these examples fall far short of proving your point.

 

[jonhowe]

So, somehow in your feeble mind, me believing what kops have said repeatedly is "supporting the random murder of kops"?

Or.......since you chose to use a quote where I stated my view on murder charges in a warzone, do you see that as "supporting the random murder of kops"?

Either way that's quite a reach there Ace, it takes some real mental gymnastics to even try to draw that analogy let alone succeed...

Keep searching, maybe I've posted something in another thread that'll reach the bar because these examples fall far short of proving your point.

Let me clarify with you before I respond in full:

Is your issue with my use of the word "random", the word "murder", or the word "cop"? I said you supported the random murder of cops (to be fair, you call them kops, which makes it easier to not consider them humans, I understand), in response to which you called me a "lying piece of shit" (FWIW, anytime I post the word "shit" my post gets deleted, but I'm a "radical" here it seems). Was the murder not "random"? It clearly appears to have been; there seems to be no history between the victims and the current suspect. Was it not "murder" to kill a man standing around outside a police HQ? It clearly appears to have been. Was he not a cop? He clearly appears to have been. Do you not support this action? You clearly appear to.
So which part are you accusing me of lying about?


Or, put another way: I can see the police HQ on Amsterdam Ave and 170th Street out my bedroom window; is there any moral reason why I shouldn't purchase a grenade launcher on the black market and blow it up? I mean, I've had nothing but positive interactions with them (HINT: I'm white in a black/hispanic area), but I know that OTHER cops in NYC are bad/evil/corrupt (think Staten Island cops, for example). Is it OK if I kill some of the good ones if I have the chance that I might blow up some of the bad ones? And by "bad ones", I mean nonconvicted individuals who happen to be in and/or around a police station (IE, the shooter/Frein's targets).


EDIT: Tod, you call me a coward often on these forums (this isn't the 1st time), but I'd like to point out that any intelligent person can now figure out exactly where I live, and of course, my full name, simply from my username and posts in this thread. Did I put too much trust in the members of this forum? Part of my feeble mindedness, perhaps?

 

[tod evans]

"Supporting the random murder of kops" would fly in the face of the terms of service for RPF..

I don't know that this particular case was "random", do you?

Further I fail to see how "support" can be derived from either the understanding that government has openly declared war on its citizens or more importantly my belief that shooting enemy combatants isn't "murder".

Let's take a leap of faith here and assume that the propaganda is correct and there's actually a dead kop, (I haven't seen the body), who's to say that said kop was killed by Mr Frein?

If one believes that there's a dead kop and that he was killed by Mr Frein how does he draw the conclusion that the act was indeed "random"?

I'm going to sidebar for a moment;
In the instance of dead pitbulls I'm able to differentiate between feral dogs running in a pack indiscriminately killing or maiming other mammals and family pets protecting their family or property.
Kops are homo sapiens (not necessarily human) so I'm going to attribute to them the power of deductive reasoning, given that they have the ability to reason and are required to band together in a pack by virtue of their chosen vocation, I don't have a problem viewing that pack in the same light as I would the pack of feral dogs.
Bloodlust is an interspecies phenomenon that comes from engaging in warlike behavior, packs of animals that attack weaker prey often fight amongst themselves once the prey is vanquished.

Where is the speculation about the presumably dead kop and the actions he may have taken that predicated his death?

Are you in possession of anything that can substantiate the allegation that Mr Frein actually murdered him?

It's entirely possible that at some point in the future I could support the actions of the alleged kop killer but for now, and here on RPF I question everything released by the propaganda arm of government. I also very carefully point out the behaviors of the feral pack of government employees who fight in this war on the citizenry and I do not accept contradictory views of their vocation as honest or truthful...

When someone attempts to attribute criminal, or even contrary to the TOS, behavior too me, such as you have, I will immediately call them on it, if they persist in their false allegations I will object more strongly and in harsher terms.

My opinion of your moral turpitude, ie; cowardice, is based solely on your speech here. I could care less where you live, anyone who sympathizes with the governments warriors isn't someone I'll choose to be around. Be safe in your kop infested inter-city cage, they'll protect you as long as you're useful...


[edit]

Typing with insomnia leads to ramblin' on my part, there's two pointed questions I'll address the remainder I'll ignore.

So which part are you accusing me of lying about?

The part where you attempt to attribute behavior to me that skirts the TOS at RPF and borders on criminal, specifically "support" as in actively encourage which I have never done.

is there any moral reason why I shouldn't purchase a grenade launcher on the black market and blow it up?

Earlier I spoke of government funded clinics that provide free meds, you might wish to avail yourself of those.

 

[presence]

I cannot agree that the aggressive tactics of Cop A, Cop B, and Cop C, allows for the murder of Cop D

Much like not being Jewish in Nazi Germany, apparently it hasn't been brought to YOUR door yet: There is no war going on against YOU.

When Cop A sexually assaults YOUR wife,

when Cop B shoots YOUR labrador,

and when Cop C roughs up YOUR KID and puts him in a cage for a decade over possession of illegal flowers...



Then maybe... just maybe: that spark of resistance will be lit.


For many of us, not yet personally involved, in this WAR against freedom...

there is this intense vicarious pain we feel that simply doesn't subside; doesn't fade; doesn't go away...

Day after day, it is refreshed by the images we find in the media:

I wake up in the middle of the night and see these faces; the cruelty branded in my subconscious.


And when the only redemption we get from any of this is civil damages; SANCTIONS paid by the TAX PAYER, that smug callousness; that irreverent despotism makes Cop D

wearing the gang banger uniform

far beneath any sympathy many of us can muster.

 

[limequat]

/thread

 

[Anti Federalist]

AF, you are honestly one of my "liberty" heroes. It hurts me to think that you think so little of my posts on this issue, after all you've done to bring me around, so please allow me to explain...

Thank you.

I do not "think little" of what you have posted, I understand your point completely.

Like I said, I think our disconnect is that you don't believe that we have had a war declared upon us, whereas I do.

And when you have war brought right to your door, one does not care about the relative moral worth of the man wearing the uniform.

It's not "all on" them. We, as citizens of these USA, have allowed the laws of this country to get out of hand. The entire idea of modern policing comes from the power of democratic tyranny of the majority. Cops reflect the very, very worst of any society that chooses to select them in the way we do. If you choose criminals as cops, your cops will be criminal. We gave them this power; we can remove it by refusing to obey their petty authority en masse.

Well, hell, I'm voting as hard as I can.

Seriously, there comes a point where you just have to resist regardless of how many others may think differently.

Meanwhile, shooting them at random only gets the wrath of god called down on your ass.

No doubt.

 

[jjdoyle]

I'm voting as hard as I can.

I'm voting as hard as I can.

I'm voting as hard as I can.

This is the solution, and you are leading by example.
I'm not sure if all of my letters, emails, and phone calls actually make a difference, but at least if I waste my time showing up to vote, I know others are doing the same at the end of the night when I see the results reported. It makes me feel like I'm part of a team, and a great American.

Also, while you might be voting as hard as you can and that is awesome, please make sure to continue to donate every spare dime YOU have to the liberty organizations. We have been making such great progress, in many key areas. They just need more money to write more letters, submit more petitions, and lobby more congressmen.

 

[Christian Liberty]

(Again. I am not claiming that being a cop is a victimless crime. But it is not a CAPITAL crime for a GIVEN INDIVIDUAL if that GIVEN INDIVIDUAL has not committed a capital crime. Until I hear proof that frein was in mortal danger from this cop, I see no justification for his murder.)​

I mostly agree, but to play devil's advocate, is kidnapping people for drug use not a capital crime? I'm not necessarily saying every single cop does that (I honestly don't know) but there are many who do.

Mind you, I also usually factor in a mitigating factor for ignorance.

 

[nobody's_hero]

lol, I'm going on 30 years.

3 decades then. You may still have time.

 

[presence]

if someone walloped the guy as retribution for his alleged despicable deeds, that’s unacceptable

http://www.timesleader.com/news/editorial/50628513/OUR-VIEW-Freins-face-deserves-closer-look

Frein suffered the injuries
"while they had him down on the pavement"

- US Marshall Service

"There was no struggle with law enforcement," Bivens said.

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news/index.ssf/2014/11/eric_frein_stories_differ_on_h.html

What happened to Frein’s face matters, because it says something about how much faith all of us can place in our law enforcement officers to do the right thing. They’re entrusted to stick to the rules when the public is following their every move and, more so, when no one is watching.

"I think we all know for a fact he didn't get it in the woods," Tiffany Frein

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/04/tiffany-frein_n_6101194.html

 

[devil21]

The clean shaven survivalist Eric Frein has now been charged with "terrorism", due to his alleged statements against the government prior to his alleged shooting of a cop that was fucking his brother's wife.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/1...ush-charged-with-terrorism/?intcmp=latestnews

The two counts of terrorism stem from Frein allegedly shooting the two troopers with purpose of influencing the policy of government and affecting the conduct of government, according to a criminal complaint filed in Pike County, Pa.
.............
According to an affidavit filed in Pike County, Frein, 31, also wrote a letter to his parents in December that was discovered on a thumb drive seized along with more than 100 items at the time of his arrest.

"Our nation is far from what it was and what it should be," Frein wrote in the letter. "There is so much wrong and on so many levels only passing through the crucible of another revolution can get us back the liberties we once had. I do not pretend to know what that revolution will look like or even if it would be successful."

 

[Czolgosz]

I support Frein.

 

[alucard13mm]

Wait wait... Frein is being charged with terrorism? It seems to me that the only people Frein terrorized was the police and was mostly harmless to everyone else.

But.. we just had a Muslim guy beheading some christian ladies in a food processing plant... And the Fort Hood shooter that was shooting military personnel because the military was killing Muslims. Those other guys are just work related violence.

It is kinda funny how the government and media is so easily call for terrorism charges against white people... Sucks to be a white man in todays time.

 

[staerker]

18 U.S.C. § 2332b defines the term "federal crime of terrorism" as an offense that:

Is calculated to influence or affect the conduct of government by intimidation or coercion, or to retaliate against government conduct

Did you get that, slave?

 

[tod evans]

Quote Originally Posted by http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/terrorism-definition
18 U.S.C. § 2332b defines the term "federal crime of terrorism" as an offense that:

Is calculated to influence or affect the conduct of government by intimidation or coercion, or to retaliate against government conduct

So you're supposed to lie down and whimper when governments agents screw your kin....

Got it...

 

[limequat]

"Terrorism" is when the people use force against the state.
The word for when the state uses force against the people is "Peace-keeping".

 

[limequat]

"Tension is high at the moment and the time seems right for a spark to ignite a fire in the hearts of men."

- Eric Frein, according to an affidavit

Careful guys. This could be a dog whistle.

 

[squarepusher]

It is kinda funny how the government and media is so easily call for terrorism charges against white people... Sucks to be a white man in todays time.

what planet are you living on?

Terrorism simply means someone made you scared. Its subjective, did Frein make people scared? Then he is a terrorist.