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[Anonymous_Coward]

Fellow RP supporters ( and former FT ), I skimmed a little through the topic, and some of you just said Iran talked about destroying Israel.

And you people, even after all the media spins and lies, believe it. Please be so kind to point me to where Iran's leader made such statement. (don't worry, you will find more ammo to support Ron's view of complete withdrawal from Iraq).

 

[givmeliberty]

Iran makes statement...

I just got on the forum, but I noticed your request for sources on Iran's statement on destroying Israel. Actually, you could just google this and find a whole page of sources confirming this....
Here are just a few.

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2005/10/e15e03d6-1013-440f-bdcf-e61d727624ed.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/31/opinion/31wed1.html

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2006/s1619481.htm

 

[Anonymous_Coward]

Thanks for your responde. And I did google. The only time he said that was in the first link you posted. The other links just refer that one as far I know. The third link however mentions that multiple times Iran called for the destruction of Israel, yet I only find one.

If you can find another source apart from that speech, i would appreciate it ( I will continue googling ).
In the mean time, what do you think about what wikipedia states about the translation of the speech? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmou...#.22Wiped_off_the_page_of_time.22_translation

Here are a few quotes:
"One may wonder: where did this false interpretation originate? Who is responsible for the translation that has sparked such worldwide controversy? The answer is surprising. The inflammatory 'wiped off the map' quote was first disseminated not by Iran's enemies, but by Iran itself. The Islamic Republic News Agency, Iran's official propaganda arm, used this phrasing in the English version of some of their news releases covering the World Without Zionism conference. International media including the BBC, Al Jazeera, Time magazine and countless others picked up the IRNA quote and made headlines out of it without verifying its accuracy, and rarely referring to the source. Iran's Foreign Minister soon attempted to clarify the statement, but the quote had a life of its own. Though the IRNA wording was inaccurate and misleading, the media assumed it was true, and besides, it made great copy. "


"According to Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, Ahmadinejad's statement should be translated as:

The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).[13]

Norouzi's translation is identical.[12] According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian". Instead, "He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse.""

Even, Iran's regime denied the initial translation.
If you truly believe that Ahmadinejad means to completely annihilate Israel and have other quotes please correct wikipedia or provide links that made their own translation, and not quote the flawed original one.

 

[Carl Corey]

Well, like Ron Paul said, Iran attacking Israel is as likely as Iran trying to invade Mars, or something of that order.

Somehow I'm not surprised that Iran never actually called for the destruction of Israel.

It's however no big secret that there are sentiments in that direction. Everyone with a bit of historical knowledge knows about the six day war, which Israel won with ease without needing any foreign assistance.

Leaves one to wonder what exactly the purpose is of US involvement in the Middle East.

 

[Pete]

As a long-time conservative Republican, I'd like to welcome "Paul-curious" Thompson supporters and to say what a great thread this has been so far.

The main points of difference between Fred's and Ron's platforms have been foreign policy and monetary policy. I stuck at Ron's foreign policy at first, but altered my assessment of risks and appropriate actions for reasons that have been well-discussed by other posters. Fred did not particularly address monetary policy one way or the other, but it forms the basis of Ron's campaign.

To most people, taking on the Federal Reserve seems about as urgent as battling the National Park Service, but the operations of the Fed are at the root of profligate spending, our industrial decline, and the inability of most Americans to save and invest. For an explanation of the issues, I encourage everyone who is new to the campaign to view this film, 'FIAT EMPIRE - Why the Federal Reserve Violates the U.S. Constitution':

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5232639329002339531

I promise you that once you gain an understanding of the monetary issue, you will see that Ron's campaign has a vast dimension that is not being picked up by most of the public at this time. Paul supporters joke about "taking the red pill", and this is the reason why.

Pete

 

[Pharoah]

Yes, the whole "wipe Israel off the map" spin was something that was never actually said. It's probably yet another meme we have to thank Frank Luntz for... I posted about this previously, but either no-one remembers or no-one believes me. C'est la vie.

 

[Charles Wilson]

Yes, the whole "wipe Israel off the map" spin was something that was never actually said. It's probably yet another meme we have to thank Frank Luntz for... I posted about this previously, but either no-one remembers or no-one believes me. C'est la vie.

You make a good point. Israel has between 200 and 300 nukes, the leaders of Iran would have to be insane to attack Israel. I do not think any world leader believes that the leaders of Iran are insane -- only the Republican warmongering neocons are trying to make that argument and they do so for political purposes.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Hey, by all means, if my arguments can help bring people to RP, or even just to awaken someone to the Strict Constitutionalist and libertarian position on these issues, then use em up!

 

[Ivash]

Edit: How on earth did I even get on this link? It is several years old!

Anyways, the fact that we didn't have a shooting war (and the fact that no shooting war is likely) proved my argument, which was that a shooting war in America with Islam ignored logic.