France orders illegal Roma immigrants expelled: Sounds like the US..

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Sound familiar? Read between the lines. Either the AP is working the same script or "illegal" immigrants are scapegoated in every nation as a means to take attention away from the inefficiencies of big government and divert public anger.

SAINT OUEN, France – French President Nicolas Sarkozy on Wednesday ordered authorities to expel Gypsy illegal immigrants and dismantle their camps, amid accusations that his government is acting racist in its treatment of the group known as Roma.

Sarkozy called a government meeting Wednesday after Gypsies clashed with police this month following the shooting death of a youth fleeing officers in the Loire Valley.

Sarkozy said those responsible for the clashes would be "severely punished" and ordered the government to expel all illegal Roma immigrants, almost all of whom have come from eastern Europe.

He pushed for a change in France's immigration law to make such expulsion easier "for reasons of public order." He said illegal Gypsy camps "will be systematically evacuated," calling them sources of trafficking, exploitation of children and prostitution.

The language has chilling undertones in a country where authorities rounded up Gypsies and sent them to concentration camps during the Nazi occupation in World War II. Former President Jacques Chirac, the first French leader to acknowledge the state's role in the Holocaust, condemned "the Nazi madness that wanted to eliminate the Gypsies."

Around Europe, some 250,000 to 1.5 million Roma were killed during World War II. Accurate figures are difficult to find, because so many Roma were rounded up away from public view, executed and dumped into mass graves.

French Roma representatives were not invited to Wednesday's presidential meeting, and said they are the only ethnic group that French authorities can openly target.

Interior Minister Brice Hortefeux insisted that Wednesday's measures "are not meant to stigmatize any community, regardless of who they are, but at to punish illegal behavior."

Romania and Bulgaria are members of the European Union, and their citizens can enter France without a visa, but they must get work permits to work here or residency permits to settle long term.
(So pretty much America. P4P)

Community leaders contend the very principle of the meeting — which singled out an ethnic group in a country that is officially blind to ethnic origins — is racist and warn of grave consequences if their side isn't heard. France's government does not count how many of its citizens are of a certain ethnicity; everyone is simply considered French. ( La Raza? P4P)

"Today ... I am afraid we're preparing to open a blighted page in the history of France, which could sadly lead to acts of reprisal in the days ahead," said lawyer Henri Braun said at a Wednesday news conference by French Roma leaders. "There is a huge problem of racism in France towards this population, there is enormous discrimination."

France's relationship with what it calls Gypsies is complex and complicated by divisions among the disparate populations.

One, formally given the administrative label of "traveling folk," includes several hundred thousand French citizens who have lived in France for centuries, and were traditionally nomadic but have become increasingly sedentary in recent years. (Pretty accurate with regards to US P4P)

The other main Gypsy population is made up of recent immigrants who come mostly from Eastern European countries like Romania and Bulgaria, usually illegally, and are often seen begging on the streets of French cities.

Those in the more established communities say they are being unfairly lumped together with illegal new immigrants. Sarkozy's orders Wednesday targeted Roma, though the violence in Saint-Aignan earlier this month was in a community of traveling folk established in the region for years. (Much like Americas entrenched hipanic community. P4P)

Alice Januel, whose organization represents Catholics among French Gypsies, warned that "If Mr. Sarkozy thinks that by clamping down he is going to calm the youth, I don't think that he will succeed. We have a youth that is rebellious."

Sarkozy also proposed that France bring in about 20 Romanian and Bulgarian police to work in the Paris region and send French police to Romania and Bulgaria, to help fight trafficking and other crime by Roma.(Of course linked to crime, prostitution and drugs. P4P)

It would be so easy to interject the term "illegal immigrant" or "undocumented worker" into this article.

Just something to think about as we move to the New World Order.
 
Seriously.

Libertarians SUCK on the immigration issue. Thank God that Ron Paul guy AIN'T a Libertarian

Thank goodness for those consistent libertarians who are real Champions of the Constitution that don't flip flop on immigration when it's politically convenient.
 
Seriously.

Libertarians SUCK on the immigration issue. Thank God that Ron Paul guy AIN'T a Libertarian

Big L libertarians do suck on the immigration issue. Pure Ancap-ism is no more reasonable or rational than socialist anarchism.

without a defineable national identity and culture that embraces individual liberty for OURSELVES, and protects it zealously from all comers, we are dead before we even start.

RP isn't infallible.
 
Big L libertarians do suck on the immigration issue. Pure Ancap-ism is no more reasonable or rational than socialist anarchism.

without a defineable national identity and culture that embraces individual liberty for OURSELVES, and protects it zealously from all comers, we are dead before we even start.

RP isn't infallible.

Damn--you nailed that one Paleo
 
Big L libertarians do suck on the immigration issue. Pure Ancap-ism is no more reasonable or rational than socialist anarchism.

without a defineable national identity and culture that embraces individual liberty for OURSELVES, and protects it zealously from all comers, we are dead before we even start.

Yup yup.
 
without a defineable national identity and culture that embraces individual liberty for OURSELVES, and protects it zealously from all comers, we are dead before we even start.

RP isn't infallible.

We used to have a national identity and it used to be a system of constitutional federalism, but nobody believes in that anymore. Since people don't believe in it or fully advocate it anymore people have moved beyond it and started focusing on how an ideal liberty society should work. Hence voluntaryism. That is all the constitutional system of federalism was supposed to be, an ideal liberty society, but the failures of limited government are catastrophic with an appalling record of not protecting individual liberty or life.

We used to have the people dictating to their respective several states what they could not do, the states largely running the show, and a federal home owner association handling a couple delegated items of common interest among the several states.

The national identity was never about geography it was about liberty and limited government but those traditions are long gone and now the country is extremely polarized over controlling the guns of government. It appears one side is going to try to carve out a national identity based on geography instead of liberty in the 21st century. I am not rooting for them. Not only do they contradict the constitution there is no benefit restricting the flow of people or goods.

When goods do not cross borders, soldiers will. -Bastiat
 
We used to have a national identity and it used to be a system of constitutional federalism, but nobody believes in that anymore. Since people don't believe in it or fully advocate it anymore people have moved beyond it and started focusing on how an ideal liberty society should work. Hence voluntaryism. That is all the constitutional system of federalism was supposed to be, an ideal liberty society, but the failures of limited government are catastrophic with an appalling record of not protecting individual liberty or life.

We used to have the people dictating to their respective several states what they could not do, the states largely running the show, and a federal home owner association handling a couple delegated items of common interest among the several states.

The national identity was never about geography it was about liberty and limited government but those traditions are long gone and now the country is extremely polarized over controlling the guns of government. It appears one side is going to try to carve out a national identity based on geography instead of liberty in the 21st century. I am not rooting for them. Not only do they contradict the constitution there is no benefit restricting the flow of people or goods.

When goods do not cross borders, soldiers will. -Bastiat


Federalism is imperfect, but it got us this far, farther than ANY system of organization has ever pushed individual liberty. It is the AK47 of political philosophies, and needs tinkering, not scrapping.

Voluntarism is simply a theory, and a bad one at that. It is just one more utopian vision on the scrap heap of history.

Wasting energy debating the ideal libertine society is the entire reason that Ancapism will never work. Lets focus on what does.

One thing Federalism requires is a citizenry that understands the benefits of it. That end is not served by allowing ourselves to be overrun by 20-30M people who worship Emilio Zapata. We are going to have enough of a challenge combating 100 years of progressivism without that additional burden.
 
Federalism is imperfect, but it got us this far, farther than ANY system of organization has ever pushed individual liberty. It is the AK47 of political philosophies, and needs tinkering, not scrapping.

Voluntarism is simply a theory, and a bad one at that. It is just one more utopian vision on the scrap heap of history.

Wasting energy debating the ideal libertine society is the entire reason that Ancapism will never work. Lets focus on what does.

One thing Federalism requires is a citizenry that understands the benefits of it. That end is not served by allowing ourselves to be overrun by 20-30M people who worship Emilio Zapata. We are going to have enough of a challenge combating 100 years of progressivism without that additional burden.

When people go to AA the first thing they admit is their own failure. Until the failure is acknowledged and reconciled there can be no healing.

The economy is propped up with impossible math. I have no illusions about this system as we know it is coming to an end. I have no illusions the country is polarized. I have no illusions people can bitch all they want about spending but one half of the country wants war and the other half of the country wants welfare. I have no illusions Ron Paul's polling growth is not anything to shout about. I have no illusions the Campaign for Liberty's membership numbers leveling out at 450k is not all that exciting. I have no illusions Medina and Kokesh lost.

Even listening to the million dollar money bomb broadcast right now they are talking about the education genie. Are there millions of zombies walking around the several states holding "I am stupid, please educate me" signs?

Let's see how well the money bomb does today in a concentrated liberty advocate show of strength to support a liberty candidate.
 
FThat end is not served by allowing ourselves to be overrun by 20-30M people who worship Emilio Zapata.

The b.s. collectivist aspect aside, are you really one of those dopes pushing the line that 1 in every 10 to 15 people
presently in the United States of America is an "illegal Mexican?"

Really? lol.

So let's see

1) Pumping some non-existent, homogeneous "national culture"

2) All Mexicans are Marxists

3) 1 in 10 people in the country is an "illegal mexican"

Check, check and check

You noobs make this too easy. :)
 
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Even listening to the million dollar money bomb broadcast right now they are talking about the education genie. Are there millions of zombies walking around the several states holding "I am stupid, please educate me" signs?

Which of course is hilarious considering the "movement" wide (freedomworks/santelli rant/rep. hack-driven) attempt to banish the educators over the course of the last year or so.

The volunteer (to make my money), donate (to me) or f* off (you're not a real patriot/conservative/repug/whatev) attitude did this sucker in.

Best we can hope for at this point is that the slumbering minds begin to realize that all the open wallets in the world mean nothing if the figureheads don't know what liberty actually is or what the constitution actually says (and doesn't say)... but we'll see.
 
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The b.s. collectivist aspect aside, are you really one of those dopes pushing the line that 1 in every 10 to 15 people is an "illegal Mexican?"

Really? lol.

So let's see

1) Pumping some non-existent, homogeneous "national culture"

2) All Mexicans are Marxists

3) 1 in 10 people in the country is an "illegal mexican"

Check, check and check

You noobs make this too easy. :)

Apparently you've been living under a rock.
 
Says the guy who just showed up... you are what you are.

BTW, what was your previous i.d.?
 
Lets just say that I didn't just show up.

Uh-huh, so what was your previous id?

Or for that matter, your other ids?

When they ban you again this time, you going to keep coming back under new names?

What do you have against private property?
 
Uh-huh, so what was your previous id?

Or for that matter, your other ids?

When they ban you again this time, you going to keep coming back under new names?

What do you have against private property?

Why do you hate America?
 
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