Fox News poll: Gary Johnson at 10% nationally

[eleganz]

Good point! He is no Ron Paul!

true, but lets face it, not even his son is.

So I'm curious how come all of the people who complain that there is no Ron Paul II that they don't just run for office themselves and literally become Ron Paul holding another office?

Or is it just much easier to watch and complain?

 

[acptulsa]

What was the answer?

He was the Libertarian Party standard bearer in 2012.

 

[LibertyExtremist]

It's not like he is going to win. It is about creating a third party that enjoys election law benefits like the R&D. THAT is the reason for voting L.P. Doesn't really matter if it is Johnson, Peterson or McAfee. If they get a foot in the political door then the party can become refocused much more so than the R&D's.

I totally get that line of thinking and argument and it may be the argument that makes me pull the lever for Johnson. However, if the LP does get to that magic 5%+ number, does it help that it takes running on a moderate Republican like platform to do it? What kind of message does it send to the average voter if the people the LP runs for President or Vice President support gun control, imminent domain, and the United Nations? I'm worried that people could come to the mistaken belief that libertarians are simply fiscal Republicans and social Democrats. In the grand scheme of things, could this set the liberty movement back?

 

[Unknownuser]

Odd. Since when did they include any 3rd party in their polls?

 

[Unknownuser]

At this point I don't know if I could vote for Johnson. He has waffled on many big issues and Weld doesn't make me feel any better about him. Weld is a guy who supported the assault weapons ban and all sorts of anti 2nd Amendment legislation, including no handgun ownership. Weld also endorsed Obama (2008) and Romney (2012). This guy doesn't seem to be anywhere in the vicinity of libertarian.

Don't vote for him...vote for the LP.

 

[acptulsa]

Odd. Since when did they include any 3rd party in their polls?

Good question. The only motivation I can figure is they want to encourage the LP delegates to nominate Johnson in particular for some reason. Perhaps they think he will offend Sanders supporters somehow. Perhaps they think the LP has someone stronger.

But, yes, it's strange behavior for a 'news service' that can't even seem to list all the GOP candidates on its lists of GOP candidates and can't seem to list all the DNC candidates on its lists of DNC candidates.

Don't vote for him...vote for the LP.

This. Every candidate they have to choose from is less evil than the two major party clowns. Vote for the LP to top five percent. And if they actually win, what? Are you really going to complain?

 

[RandallFan]

He's not polling at 10%. 95% of young men on internet message boards hate him. He's polling at 5%. If he's hated this much by young men he's not getting double digits with older voters.

What's his support on rpf specifically? 20 or 30%. That's pretty weak relative.

 

[CPUd]

He's not polling at 10%. 95% of young men on internet message boards hate him. He's polling at 5%. If he's hated this much by young men he's not getting double digits with older voters.

What's his support on rpf specifically? 20 or 30%. That's pretty weak relative.

The OP where he polls 10% seems to refute your claim.

 

[RJ Liberty]

The OP where he polls 10% seems to refute your claim.

Yep. Ridiculous that we even need to debate this. "He's not polling at 10%"? Seriously?

 

[RandallFan]

He's not polling at 10%, the responses to the polls are butthurt Cruzers & Sanders supporters. No way he gets 10% in November if Perot couldnt get 10% in 1996 against consumate insider Dole on a red meat issue. This is not a realistic poll for November.

No way Johnson does as good as family man Ron Paul, in GOP circles, as Johnson would do, in general circles.

Same with these other ridiculous polls months ago with 30 or 40% of Republicans jumping ship.

Johnsonite tried & failed against 2 totally committed insiders Romney & Obama. He got 1% in an election that actually turned out to be irrelevant in terms of SCOTUS & other things. The idea that he will do tenfold against Trump compared to R-Money, Romneycare-instituted, has little evidence.

There's an actual choice. Clinton will result in Campaign finance Super PAC changes with a SCOTUS pick. Trump will result in trade wars and different strategies for GOP to win as a national party. Trump will also be a celebrity president that has never been seen before. Trump will also incite a real hatred for the media & Congress that they really deserve.


If 5-15% of 25 year old white males anecdotally, like Gary Johnson on facebook or reddit, it is much lower with every other demographic who votes in November.

 

[RJ Liberty]

He's not polling at 10%

Yes. Yes he is.

 

[CPUd]

 

[RJ Liberty]

Not only the Fox News poll, but the Monmouth University poll from March, which had Gary Johnson polling at 11%. He's been in double digits for months now.

 

[69360]

I think some in this thread are discounting the never Trump and never Clinton contingent. It's larger than I recall in any election since Ross Perot. Obviously the Clintons are going back to the white house, but I think Johnson could seriously crack 5%. Give people a third choice with some name recognition and they will lodge a protest vote.

 

[RJ Liberty]

I think some in this thread are discounting the never Trump and never Clinton contingent. It's larger than I recall in any election since Ross Perot.

I am reminded of the Perot campaign years, too. '92 was a huge year for the "No D, No R" movement, and this year seems to be shaping up the same way.

Obviously the Clintons are going back to the white house, but I think Johnson could seriously crack 5%. Give people a third choice with some name recognition and they will lodge a protest vote.

It's definitely possible. How likely is debatable, but definitely within the realm of possibility. And 5% would make ballot access so much easier for the next election.

 

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

It's worth remembering third party candidates always do better at this stage and sink like rocks by the time the election rolls around. I seem to remember a few polls last time that had Johnson up near 8-10% around summer. Pretty sure Nader was over 5% in 2008 early in the General Election phase too. It's a sad reality that a lot of third party choices are a stand-in for "undecided," or too many of their early supporters are very soft and get cold feet when it comes time to vote in November.

 

[RJ Liberty]

I seem to remember a few polls last time that had Johnson up near 8-10% around summer.

Which national polls were those? JZ Analytics had Johnson at 5% in July 2012. Rasmussen had him at 1% in August 2012. CNN had Johnson at 4%. As far as I know, at no point was Johnson polling at 10% or 11% in the last election. This election seems to be quite different.

 

[Mad Raven]

I like Gary, but I feel like he's turning into the Romney of the LP. He doesn't get people excited, doesn't do anything to get attention, and people mainly think of him as the most electable guy with name recognition.

I'm liking McAfee more and more. He's got money and is interesting to listen to. He even points people towards his video of hookers and blow. I'd love to see the LP go with him and see what kind of havoc he can wreak.

 

[CPUd]

This poll I think comes later today:

 

[FSP-Rebel]

This poll I think comes later today:

Mika turned you on right?