For those who think Malcolm X was racist.....

[revolutionisnow]

Thanks for the cut and paste from "Blackout Europe." The British Isolationist group who has a problem with the EU and has no clue about the history of Malcolm X.

Actually it was from wikileaks, if you would like to refute points or debunk quotes feel free to attempt to do so.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Actually it was from wikileaks, if you would like to refute points or debunk quotes feel free to attempt to do so.

Well, that's where they got it from. It's from their site.

Also, if you listen above.... that was in Malcolm's last year. I know it's easier to put people in boxes. It's like calling Ron Paul an Isolationist. It makes it easier than to understand their point.

 

[revolutionisnow]

It's nothing like that, one is correct and one is not. Sorry, I'm not interested in having my tax dollars fund education glorifying someone who referred to whites as blue eyed devils and crackers for their entire life, nor having my or my peer's childrens minds polluted with such garbage. Should we also educate them about Tookie Williams? Sure he founded the crips and murdered a few people, but later in life he saw the light and preached anti-gang and anti-violence. What a swell guy.

As far as people being justified for outright hatred and using derogatory slurs every other word if they are oppressed, let's talk about some current oppressions and ask if they would be justified. How about in South Africa where white farmers are being slaughtered and their property and businesses stolen. Does that justify them to declare that every black person is the things Malcolm X referred to whites as? Or how about if a Palestinian was ranting about how every Israeli is guilty of all the things Malcolm accuses whites of? If someone wants to discuss race relations that is fine, but lets keep the discussion based in facts and reality vs wild accusations and derogatory slurs.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

It's nothing like that, one is correct and one is not. Sorry, I'm not interested in having my tax dollars fund education glorifying someone who referred to whites as blue eyed devils and crackers for their entire life, nor having my or my peer's childrens minds polluted with such garbage. Should we also educate them about Tookie Williams? Sure he founded the crips and murdered a few people, but later in life he saw the light and preached anti-gang and anti-violence. What a swell guy.

As far as people being justified for outright hatred and using derogatory slurs every other word if they are oppressed, let's talk about some current oppressions and ask if they would be justified. How about in South Africa where white farmers are being slaughtered and their property and businesses stolen. Does that justify them to declare that every black person is the things Malcolm X referred to whites as? Or how about if a Palestinian was ranting about how every Israeli is guilty of all the things Malcolm accuses whites of? If someone wants to discuss race relations that is fine, but lets keep the discussion based in facts and reality vs wild accusations and derogatory slurs.

Difference in Tookie and Malcolm. Tookie was killed on a timetable while Malcolm was assassinated by the people he once aligned with. I know it's easy to develop opinions based on Wikipedia and other cliff notes version of history but, if you listen to the man's words he was talking about the governmental power known as "The White Devil." Good job.

So, in your logic we need to not teach about the Third Reich either? They actually were violent with their racism where Malcolm never committed one violent action.

 

[michaelwise]

I don't see any criminal police reports of racism in the country.

 

[BuddyRey]

What I want to know is, who killed Brother Malcolm, and why did they do it just as he was beginning to embrace all of mankind, preach inclusiveness, and realize that government, not the white race in general, was the real enemy?

Hmmm....

 

[revolutionisnow]

Difference in Tookie and Malcolm. Tookie was killed on a timetable while Malcolm was assassinated by the people he once aligned with. I know it's easy to develop opinions based on Wikipedia and other cliff notes version of history but, if you listen to the man's words he was talking about the governmental power known as "The White Devil." Good job.

So, in your logic we need to not teach about the Third Reich either? They actually were violent with their racism where Malcolm never committed one violent action.

Actually I can find quotes showing how Hitler wasn't really that racist either, and then if you disagree accuse you of only researching wikipedia. Then we could also talk about how this didn't happen in a vacuum and the Germans were being oppressed.


"In saying this, I promise you I am quite free of all racial hatred: It is, in any case, undesirable that one race should mix with other races. Except for a few gratuitous successes, which I am prepared to admit, systematic cross-breeding has never produced good results. Its desire to remain racially pure is a proof of the vitality and good health of a race. Pride in one's own race - and that does not imply contempt for other races - is also a normal and healthy sentiment. I have never regarded the Chinese or the Japanese as being inferior to ourselves. They belong to ancient civilizations, and I admit freely that their past history is superior to our own. They have the right to be proud of their past, just as we have the right to be proud of the civilization to which we belong. Indeed, I believe the more steadfast the Chinese and the Japanese remain in their pride of race, the easier I shall find it to get on with them." - Adolf Hitler; The Political Testament of Adolf Hitler

 

[jmdrake]

Should we also educate them about Tookie Williams? Sure he founded the crips and murdered a few people, but later in life he saw the light and preached anti-gang and anti-violence. What a swell guy.

Should Christians still teach their children about the thief on the cross? Sure he stole and probably killed people and was getting the punishment he deserved, but he recognized who Jesus was at the end.

Or if you don't believe the Bible, how about Oscar Schindler? Sure he started the whole "list" thing just to make money, but in the end he was really trying to save lives.

If you were working at a school plagued by gang violence would you not use the protocol Tookie developed which has shown success in abating gang violence just because you didn't like the person who developed it? Would you use it and just not give him any credit?

By the way, it's a bit hypocritical for you to complain about Malcolm X considering all of the support you've shown for David Duke.

 

[revolutionisnow]

Should Christians still teach their children about the thief on the cross? Sure he stole and probably killed people and was getting the punishment he deserved, but he recognized who Jesus was at the end.

Or if you don't believe the Bible, how about Oscar Schindler? Sure he started the whole "list" thing just to make money, but in the end he was really trying to save lives.

If you were working at a school plagued by gang violence would you not use the protocol Tookie developed which has shown success in abating gang violence just because you didn't like the person who developed it? Would you use it and just not give him any credit?

By the way, it's a bit hypocritical for you to complain about Malcolm X considering all of the support you've shown for David Duke.

Sure you can teach your children that, public schools shouldn't though.

Personally not a fan of Schindler's propaganda or holocaust education. Jewish suffering is not unique and it is used as as way to justify their actions in the Middle East. The whole idea that Hitler disliked them because of their different religion is nonsense also, right up there with the terrorists who "hate us for our freedoms".

Haven't really studied his books or any others regarding gang violence so can't comment.

That's the thing, people whine, moan and yell hot topics whenever DD is quoted or shown presenting factual content, and I have yet to see a quote from him being even a tenth as racist as Malcolm X. Outright hatred from minorities for whites gets a free pass, meanwhile any and every person who sticks up for white rights is demonized. Every other group is allowed to organize but whites can not. Quite the double standard.

If we are looking for more black leaders to educate the youth about, why not Marcus Garvey?

YouTube - Marcus Garvey speech 1/1

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Actually I can find quotes showing how Hitler wasn't really that racist either, and then if you disagree accuse you of only researching wikipedia. Then we could also talk about how this didn't happen in a vacuum and the Germans were being oppressed.


"In saying this, I promise you I am quite free of all racial hatred: It is, in any case, undesirable that one race should mix with other races. Except for a few gratuitous successes, which I am prepared to admit, systematic cross-breeding has never produced good results. Its desire to remain racially pure is a proof of the vitality and good health of a race. Pride in one's own race - and that does not imply contempt for other races - is also a normal and healthy sentiment. I have never regarded the Chinese or the Japanese as being inferior to ourselves. They belong to ancient civilizations, and I admit freely that their past history is superior to our own. They have the right to be proud of their past, just as we have the right to be proud of the civilization to which we belong. Indeed, I believe the more steadfast the Chinese and the Japanese remain in their pride of race, the easier I shall find it to get on with them." - Adolf Hitler; The Political Testament of Adolf Hitler

Yeah, Hitler never committed violence against a groups or set up genocide of a people. Now you try to compare Malcolm who told his people to get off government assistance, start their own businesses, be peaceful but if a man lays hands on you respond in kind..... really, you are clueless and the Hitler argument proves it.

 

[jmdrake]

Sure you can teach your children that, public schools shouldn't though.

Personally not a fan of Schindler's propaganda or holocaust education. Jewish suffering is not unique and it is used as as way to justify their actions in the Middle East. The whole idea that Hitler disliked them because of their different religion is nonsense also, right up there with the terrorists who "hate us for our freedoms".

Haven't really studied his books or any others regarding gang violence so can't comment.

That's the thing, people whine, moan and yell hot topics whenever DD is quoted or shown presenting factual content, and I have yet to see a quote from him being even a tenth as racist as Malcolm X. Outright hatred from minorities for whites gets a free pass, meanwhile any and every person who sticks up for white rights is demonized. Every other group is allowed to organize but whites can not. Quite the double standard.

If we are looking for more black leaders to educate the youth about, why not Marcus Garvey?

YouTube - Marcus Garvey speech 1/1

Marcus Garvey? You think Malcom X is racist but you like Marcus Garvey? You realize Garvey tried to form an alliance with the KKK right? (Maybe that's why you like him). Anyway Garvey was in my U.S. history book (they left out the KKK thing. I found that out later on my own.) and I'm glad for it. I don't think there needs to be some perfection litmus test for who children learn about.

 

[JustinTime]

I love the part where he says at 4:56, "the time when white people can come into our community and get us to vote for them so they can be our political leaders and then tell us what to do and what not to do is long gone." No wonder they demonize him on the left.

I dont get it... whats so great about that quote? If I said I didnt want black or Hispanic would-be politicians campaigning "my neighborhood", God forbid, being elected to office, Id be called a racist right quick.

I have no problem with Mr. X, or even the Nation of Islam, Im just trying to get some clarification on where youre coming from here.

 

[JustinTime]

Yeah, Hitler never committed violence against a groups or set up genocide of a people. Now you try to compare Malcolm who told his people to get off government assistance, start their own businesses, be peaceful but if a man lays hands on you respond in kind..... really, you are clueless and the Hitler argument proves it.

Both were racial separatists, "collectivists", something that a lot of people supposedly dislike intensely. I guess its like always, they only dislike it if its being done by whites.

 

[AuH20]

I dont get it... whats so great about that quote? If I said I didnt want black or Hispanic would-be politicians campaigning "my neighborhood" Id be called a racist right quick.

I have no problem with Mr. X, or even the Nation of Islam, Im just trying to get some clarification on where youre coming from here.

He's essentially saying that once election time comes around, these white liberal vultures come into Harlem and other black locales trawling for votes, and immediately dismiss the concerns of the community afterwards. Basically, the same scenario plays out today. Aside from an increase in home ownership and some minor gains in social mobility, blacks are not that much better off than they were in the 60s. Incarceration rates are through the roof, education levels are poor and the state of their families are generally in disarray. Liberals have permanently planted the vile seeds of victimization in their psyche in such a disastrous manner, that some don't know who they are. It's ironic that X and later Bill Cosby got roundly ridiculed for basically stating , "F the white man, and concentrate on getting our own house in order."

 

[BamaFanNKy]

I dont get it... whats so great about that quote? If I said I didnt want black or Hispanic would-be politicians campaigning "my neighborhood", God forbid, being elected to office, Id be called a racist right quick.

I have no problem with Mr. X, or even the Nation of Islam, Im just trying to get some clarification on where youre coming from here.

Because like every other black leader he saw through the liberal B.S. where they told black people to cling to the government power. To cling to social welfare. He is calling Liberals just as racist.

 

[jmdrake]

He's essentially saying that once election time comes around, these white liberal vultures come into Harlem and other black locales trawling for votes, and immediately dismiss the concerns of the community afterwards. Basically, the same scenario plays out today. Aside from an increase in home ownership and some minor gains in social mobility, blacks are not that much better off than they were in the 60s. Incarceration rates are through the roof, education levels are poor and the state of their families are generally in disarray. Liberals have permanently planted the vile seeds of victimization in their psyche in such a disastrous manner, that they don't who they are.

^This

 

[JustinTime]

He's essentially saying that once election time comes around, these white liberal vultures come into Harlem and other black locales trawling for votes, and immediately dismiss the concerns of the community afterwards. Basically, the same scenario plays out today. Aside from an increase in home ownership and some minor gains in social mobility, blacks are not that much better off than they were in the 60s. Incarceration rates are through the roof, education levels are poor and the state of their families are generally in disarray. Liberals have permanently planted the vile seeds of victimization in their psyche in such a disastrous manner,

Well-meaning but naive (mostly) white liberals handed out the seeds, and the black community themselves planted them.

Yes, government aide breeds a sense of reliance, over time its become modus vivendi, but just because handouts are offered it doesnt mean you have to take them. Want to get your house in order? Just fucking get it in order. Stop bitching about lack of help, then bitching about the help, its the bitching and the blame that is largely black America's problem today, and even here it hasnt gone away.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Well-meaning but naive (mostly) white liberals handed out the seeds, and the black community themselves planted them.

Yes, government aide breeds a sense of reliance, over time its become modus vivendi, but just because handouts are offered it doesnt mean you have to take them. Want to get your house in order? Just fucking get it in order. Stop bitching about lack of help, then bitching about the help, its the bitching and the blame that is largely black America's problem today, and even here it hasnt gone away.

Naive is what you should call yourself. Malcolm was talking about getting the house in order and he didn't blame white people he blamed the "House" people for bringing the black person down. It's sad to see how people were not educated on the message that Malcolm talked about.

YouTube - MALCOLM X: THE HOUSE NEGRO AND THE FIELD NEGRO

 

[JustinTime]

Naive is what you should call yourself. Malcolm was talking about getting the house in order and he didn't blame white people he blamed the "House" people for bringing the black person down. It's sad to see how people were not educated on the message that Malcolm talked about.

YouTube - MALCOLM X: THE HOUSE NEGRO AND THE FIELD NEGRO

Oh yeah? Well what was all that "white people" talk in your OP about? Need I remind you of your quote?

"the time when white people can come into our community and get us to vote for them so they can be our political leaders and then tell us what to do and what not to do is long gone."

You think its any different from the politicians who ask for my vote then tell me what to do and what not to do? Yeah, they have a similar skin color (well usually they do, the current president is a notable exception), as I have.

What Malcolm X is saying there is he wants black people in control of black destinies. A racial separatist community. Thats 100% a-ok in my book.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Oh yeah? Well what was all that "white people" talk in your OP about? Need I remind you of your quote?

"the time when white people can come into our community and get us to vote for them so they can be our political leaders and then tell us what to do and what not to do is long gone."

You think its any different from the politicians who ask for my vote then tell me what to do and what not to do? Yeah, they have a similar skin color (well usually they do, the current president is a notable exception), as I have.

What Malcolm X is saying there is he wants black people in control of black destinies. A racial separatist community. Thats 100% a-ok in my book.

Wait. Your last line sounds like you want to get rid of black people. That explains the rest of your misunderstanding.