For those who think Malcolm X was racist.....

[BamaFanNKy]

you will hear in the Bullet or Ballot Box why he was assassinated. This speech is pretty principled.

I love the part where he says at 4:56, "the time when white people can come into our community and get us to vote for them so they can be our political leaders and then tell us what to do and what not to do is long gone." No wonder they demonize him on the left.

YouTube - Malcolm X - Ballot or Bullet

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Great article.
http://www.startribune.com/yourvoices/85477167.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUjc8LDyiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU

 

[silus]

Just to be factual, he was indeed a racist at one point.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

I was a child once. I am no more. I love this speech. I am listening again and he kills the democrats!

 

[revolutionisnow]

you will hear in the Bullet or Ballot Box why he was assassinated. This speech is pretty principled.

I love the part where he says at 4:56, "the time when white people can come into our community and get us to vote for them so they can be our political leaders and then tell us what to do and what not to do is long gone." No wonder they demonize him on the left.

Sounds pretty racist to me. Imagine the outrage there would be if someone said "the time when black people can come into our community and get us to vote for them so they can be our political leaders and then tell us what to do and what not to do is long gone."

 

[silus]

BTW, good speech.

 

[youngbuck]

He was really racist, and then slowly came to his senses in his latter years.

 

[coyote_sprit]

Sounds pretty racist to me. Imagine the outrage there would be if someone said "the time when black people can come into our community and get us to vote for them so they can be our political leaders and then tell us what to do and what not to do is long gone."

That used to happen, it's not racist to state fact.

 

[silus]

Sounds pretty racist to me. Imagine the outrage there would be if someone said "the time when black people can come into our community and get us to vote for them so they can be our political leaders and then tell us what to do and what not to do is long gone."

The problem with words like "racist" is that it encourages people to stop thinking. As if throwing out the word negates any need for further examination. As if something can be understood the same way regardless of context. Thats why you will see many people like this defend their argument with a pathetic 'double standard' argument. Another word that people can't seem to think past.

 

[johngr]

I'm more interest in whether he had cooties....

Seriously, this thread is in defense against an inquistion. A better respond to the Trotskyist smear term is to laugh in the face of anyone who dares use it.

BTW as my analysis of the PC trumps shows

PC Trumps

Race
Jewish (no other trump comes into play, unless it's a "self-hating Jew") > black/hispanic > oriental > white

Religion
Jewish (no other trump comes into play) > Hindu/Buddhist = Muslim (only if living in the West) > Christian > Muslim (in their own homelands (except for Bosnian Muslims, who are just below Jewish))

Sex Gender
women > men (but keep in mind that race, religion, sexual orientation and politics can come into play here -- if a black rapes a white woman, no big deal but if (in a man-bites-dog scenario in the real world) a white rapes a black, it's a hate crime of the worst kind. Similarly, when a white christian woman tells a "faggot" to keep away from her son)

Sexual Preference Orientation
Homosexual/Trangender/Bi-sexual > Heterosexual (keep in mind again that other trumps may come into play for instance, when West Hollywood queers called straight blacks who voted overwhelmingly against gay marraige, "niggers" -- hard one to call. Also, the gender card between a gay and a lesbian loses almost all its value)

Politics
Liberal (communist) > Conservative (except when the liberal is anti-zionist or against any ME war or "war on terror") > Libertarian


Also, the general prevalence of the cards themselves (keep in mind, this is my estimation and quite variable, depending on the situation)

Race > Sexual Orientation = Religion (except for Jewish, which trumps Sexual Orientation) > Gender

Politics is one that has variable trump value, depending on the circumstances but never trumps Jewish race or religion (except for "self-hating Jews").

the only reason such a PC word is employed against him is that he ignored PC trump card precedence:

YouTube - Malcolm X Exposes White Liberal Jews

 

[johngr]

The PC trump game is quite complex, as these examples illustrate:

The general rules of the PC trump game are very simple. Race > sexual orientation > gender. For example, if a white christian mother of five says that the chairman of Act Up is living an evil lifestyle and will be judged by God, she is clearly in the wrong (sexual orientation trumps gender).

But if she says that a philandering heterosexual man is living an evil lifestyle, then politics can come into play. If she's talking about David Duke, then her criticism will be totally valid on its face and not judged according to the usual anti-Christian bias. If she's talking about Bill Clinton, then again, she's in the wrong.

There are even cases where race is no shield for gender/sexual preference. If Jesse Jackson calls the Act Up chairman a "homo on the down low", that is acceptable -- there would be an outcry from the gays but no mea culpa necessary.

But imagine a debate between Alan Keyes and Catherine Mackinnon (the law professor that holds that all heterosexual sex is rape). Keyes slips up and says during a break, within earshot of the microphone, "that dyke biyotch should get her a husband, stay in the kitchen and leave politics to men". First of all, Mackinnon has three trumps (lesbian, feminist, woman) and Keyes attacked all three. But that's not the important thing here. Keyes, because of his Uncle Tom, shill for the rich politics loses nearly all of his race trump value. His political career (insofar as having a podium on the national stage) would be over.

But let's say Keyes is debating another lesbian separatist feminist and makes the same gaffe. But this one the week before spoke an an international conference on racism and lambasted Israel as a "racist apartheid state" and pointedly criticized Israel for their immigration policies toward the Ethiopian Jews (Israel no longer allows Falasha Jews to immigrate and uses coercion to give them long-acting birth control drugs), bringing such policies to wide public knowledge. In addition, she went to Iran and was seen paling around with Armedinejad.

In this case, partly because of his loyalty to Israel/War on Terror, and partly because the remark in the vernacular would play to blacks' biases and somewhat mitigate the outrage in the black community about Israel's immigration policies, Instead of the remark ending his political career, it would actually enhance it.

Muslims/Arabs are a special case when it comes to trumps. If they're "over there" (i. e. in the Middle East), they are lower on the scale than European white people, if you can imagine that. It's even acceptable to express a desire to "bomb those sand monkeys back into the stone age". (Note that the usual PC trump rules apply to Bosnian Muslims regardless of where the live (Muslim > Christian) and Bosnian Muslims can't be terrorists, but rather freedom fighters.) But if they live in the West, the usual race trump rules apply. So if an Imam from Iraq living in Denmark calls for stoning homosexuals it's dismissed as a "cultural difference" and no big deal is made of it. If he says that in Iraq that's not acceptable and such "homophobia" is another example of why "we" need to "fight them over there".

 

[jkr]

mommy, whats a cracker?

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Legal precedents begat endless persecution while Civil Purpose narrows to the Truth

The PC trump game is quite complex, as these examples illustrate:

The general rules of the PC trump game are very simple. Race > sexual orientation > gender. For example, if a white christian mother of five says that the chairman of Act Up is living an evil lifestyle and will be judged by God, she is clearly in the wrong (sexual orientation trumps gender).

But if she says that a philandering heterosexual man is living an evil lifestyle, then politics can come into play. If she's talking about David Duke, then her criticism will be totally valid on its face and not judged according to the usual anti-Christian bias. If she's talking about Bill Clinton, then again, she's in the wrong.

There are even cases where race is no shield for gender/sexual preference. If Jesse Jackson calls the Act Up chairman a "homo on the down low", that is acceptable -- there would be an outcry from the gays but no mea culpa necessary.

But imagine a debate between Alan Keyes and Catherine Mackinnon (the law professor that holds that all heterosexual sex is rape). Keyes slips up and says during a break, within earshot of the microphone, "that dyke biyotch should get her a husband, stay in the kitchen and leave politics to men". First of all, Mackinnon has three trumps (lesbian, feminist, woman) and Keyes attacked all three. But that's not the important thing here. Keyes, because of his Uncle Tom, shill for the rich politics loses nearly all of his race trump value. His political career (insofar as having a podium on the national stage) would be over.

But let's say Keyes is debating another lesbian separatist feminist and makes the same gaffe. But this one the week before spoke an an international conference on racism and lambasted Israel as a "racist apartheid state" and pointedly criticized Israel for their immigration policies toward the Ethiopian Jews (Israel no longer allows Falasha Jews to immigrate and uses coercion to give them long-acting birth control drugs), bringing such policies to wide public knowledge. In addition, she went to Iran and was seen paling around with Armedinejad.

In this case, partly because of his loyalty to Israel/War on Terror, and partly because the remark in the vernacular would play to blacks' biases and somewhat mitigate the outrage in the black community about Israel's immigration policies, Instead of the remark ending his political career, it would actually enhance it.

Muslims/Arabs are a special case when it comes to trumps. If they're "over there" (i. e. in the Middle East), they are lower on the scale than European white people, if you can imagine that. It's even acceptable to express a desire to "bomb those sand monkeys back into the stone age". (Note that the usual PC trump rules apply to Bosnian Muslims regardless of where the live (Muslim > Christian) and Bosnian Muslims can't be terrorists, but rather freedom fighters.) But if they live in the West, the usual race trump rules apply. So if an Imam from Iraq living in Denmark calls for stoning homosexuals it's dismissed as a "cultural difference" and no big deal is made of it. If he says that in Iraq that's not acceptable and such "homophobia" is another example of why "we" need to "fight them over there".

As Europeans talk about politics when fishing, Americans should talk about fishing when politicking. Why does it have to be this complicated? Don't you realize that, because Americans have already arrived at the Truth, we don't need any further manipulation? Just leave us alone. Let's close down all we can in Washington, close down all we can at the state level, and then close down all we can at the city level returning our local governments back to when they did a great job of picking up the garbage.

 

[dannno]

Just to be factual, he was indeed a racist at one point.

Can you provide said facts with context?

 

[Goldhunter27]

Listening to leaders like Nasser, Ben Bella, and Nkrumah awakened me to the dangers of racism. I realized racism isn't just a black and white problem. It's brought bloodbaths to about every nation on earth at one time or another.
Brother, remember the time that white college girl came into the restaurant—the one who wanted to help the [Black] Muslims and the whites get together—and I told her there wasn't a ghost of a chance and she went away crying? Well, I've lived to regret that incident. In many parts of the African continent I saw white students helping black people. Something like this kills a lot of argument. I did many things as a [Black] Muslim that I'm sorry for now. I was a zombie then—like all [Black] Muslims—I was hypnotized, pointed in a certain direction and told to march. Well, I guess a man's entitled to make a fool of himself if he's ready to pay the cost. It cost me 12 years.
That was a bad scene, brother. The sickness and madness of those days—I'm glad to be free of them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_X#In_the_United_States

 

[revolutionisnow]

Can you provide said facts with context?

"Born Malcolm Little in 1925, Malcolm X’s career involved being arrested in New York for drug dealing, gambling, racketeering, robbery, and pimping prostitutes in the 1940s.

When he was examined in 1943 for the draft, military physicians classified him as “mentally disqualified for military service.”

He later recalled that he put on a display to avoid the draft by telling the examining officer that he could not wait to “steal us some guns, and kill us [some] crackers.” (Crackers is derogatory black slang for white people.)

In late 1945, Little’s criminal career resumed when he and a group of associates began a series of burglaries which deliberately targeted the residences of wealthy white families in Boston.

On January 12, 1946, Little was arrested for burglary while trying to pick up a stolen watch he had left for repairs at a jewellery shop. He was sentenced to eight to ten years in Massachusetts State Prison.

While in jail, Little converted to Islam and upon his release, joined the Nation of Islam organisation and changed his surname to “X”.

In his autobiography, Malcolm X explained the “X”: “The Muslim’s ‘X’ symbolized the true African family name that he never could know. For me, my ‘X’ replaced the white slavemaster name of ‘Little’ which some blue-eyed devil named Little had imposed upon my paternal forebears.”

The FBI opened a file on Malcolm X in March 1953 after hearing from an informant that Malcolm X described himself as a Communist. Soon the FBI turned its attention from concerns about possible Communist Party association to Malcolm X’s rapid ascent in the Nation of Islam.

Malcolm X proudly promoted the Nation of Islam’s teachings. He taught that black people were the original people of the world, and that white people were a race of devils. In his speeches, Malcolm X said that black people were superior to white people, and that the demise of the white race was imminent.

Malcolm X also rejected the civil rights movement’s strategy of nonviolence and instead advocated that black people use “any necessary means.”"

 

[AuH20]

This whole Malcolm X gotcha racism card is childish. By the same token, if we want to play this petty card, we can play it with Thomas Jefferson, George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. What's most remarkable when I analyze Malcolm X's life is that he started off as petty criminal, gradually made something of himself, while constantly evolving in his quest for knowledge. I can totally understand why he learned to loathe the white power structure and mistakenly held white individuals accountable for the sins of the oligarchy. But in the end, he finally realized he was mistaken. This evolution can also be applied to Washington who discarded some of his more callous views of slaves in his later life. I certainly don't hate George Washington and I certainly don't hate Malcolm X. It's a complicated world and I'm glad to see that both these legendary men arrived at the right conclusions at the ends of their lives.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

"Born Malcolm Little in 1925, Malcolm X’s career involved being arrested in New York for drug dealing, gambling, racketeering, robbery, and pimping prostitutes in the 1940s.

When he was examined in 1943 for the draft, military physicians classified him as “mentally disqualified for military service.”

He later recalled that he put on a display to avoid the draft by telling the examining officer that he could not wait to “steal us some guns, and kill us [some] crackers.” (Crackers is derogatory black slang for white people.)

In late 1945, Little’s criminal career resumed when he and a group of associates began a series of burglaries which deliberately targeted the residences of wealthy white families in Boston.

On January 12, 1946, Little was arrested for burglary while trying to pick up a stolen watch he had left for repairs at a jewellery shop. He was sentenced to eight to ten years in Massachusetts State Prison.

While in jail, Little converted to Islam and upon his release, joined the Nation of Islam organisation and changed his surname to “X”.

In his autobiography, Malcolm X explained the “X”: “The Muslim’s ‘X’ symbolized the true African family name that he never could know. For me, my ‘X’ replaced the white slavemaster name of ‘Little’ which some blue-eyed devil named Little had imposed upon my paternal forebears.”

The FBI opened a file on Malcolm X in March 1953 after hearing from an informant that Malcolm X described himself as a Communist. Soon the FBI turned its attention from concerns about possible Communist Party association to Malcolm X’s rapid ascent in the Nation of Islam.

Malcolm X proudly promoted the Nation of Islam’s teachings. He taught that black people were the original people of the world, and that white people were a race of devils. In his speeches, Malcolm X said that black people were superior to white people, and that the demise of the white race was imminent.

Malcolm X also rejected the civil rights movement’s strategy of nonviolence and instead advocated that black people use “any necessary means.”"

Thanks for the cut and paste from "Blackout Europe." The British Isolationist group who has a problem with the EU and has no clue about the history of Malcolm X.

 

[low preference guy]

why is this in general politics? it should probably go to philosophy or something else. i don't recall malcolm x being an issue in any campaign.

 

[AuH20]

YouTube - Malcolm X - A Person's Deeds