For the Revolution to Continue, McCain/Palin Must Lose

[georgiaboy]

Ahhhh the Obama manics are popping up on RPF once again.....

Ha, no, just conservatives who want their party back.

 

[DAFTEK]

Ha, no, just conservatives who want their party back.

hah, keep smoking that obama crackpipe bud....

 

[James Madison]

At this late stage of the take down of America from within, you are just re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. There are too many third parties on purpose. Barr is a ringer to take away from any third party that could have actually won this year. I believe the term "divide and Conquer" comes to mind.

Palin is just a little cookie tossed into the ring to let the real americans think they have a chance 4 years from now. Nothing could be further from the truth, there will be no more America or another election, the country is gone.......gone now.........don't you get it. They have won, we have lost, the NAU will be ruled by who ever is crowned in January!

Completely agree. My parents are all of a sudden extremely excited at the prospect of voting for Palin. We got into a big argument this morning about the NWO and Gov. Palin. I tried explaining to them her selection proves either that she is fully compromised or that Obama has already been chosen as the victor. They just said I was crazy and a "conspiracy theorist". I mean, they're my parents and all but I can't help but feel little sympathy for them. They proceded to say the NWO doesn't exist, 80+% of humanity will not be killed off, and no one world state will be created. They're just in total denial.

 

[Rangeley]

I am being short sighted on purpose, and I stated that in my OP.

Sure, for both short and longer term, staying involved & working our way up is essential.

But significant Republican losses this year, starting with the top of the ticket, will dramatically increase our momentum and chances of shorter term success than will victories.

It's the perfect catalyst for our local efforts to really take off.

For the revolution to continue, McCain/Palin do not have to lose. I will not be packing my bags in defeat if they win, and I can only hope others feel the same. Again, our success depends on our willingness to continue, not any outcome of this election.

The Republicans lost the 2006 election badly, and came back with McCain in '08. Counting on a defeat to do the job for us isn't going to cut it.

 

[georgiaboy]

hah, keep smoking that obama crackpipe bud....

and you stick with your neocon koolaid, Troll.

 

[georgiaboy]

For the revolution to continue, McCain/Palin do not have to lose. I will not be packing my bags in defeat if they win, and I can only hope others feel the same. Again, our success depends on our willingness to continue, not any outcome of this election.

completely agree, Rangeley.

Admitted hyperbole.

My point has to do with momentum and acceleration, not forward motion.

 

[georgiaboy]

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The Republicans lost the 2006 election badly, and came back with McCain in '08. Counting on a defeat to do the job for us isn't going to cut it.

This example bolsters my position. Given the '06 losses, imagine what would be accomplished with a McCain win as opposed to a McCain loss.

McCain wins -- '06 was a fluke, full steam ahead. Enter RP Republicans.

McCain loses -- ouch, first '06, now this, what's going on? Enter RP Republicans.

 

[DAFTEK]

and you stick with your neocon koolaid, Troll.

Troll? Is that the best you can dish out? lol Go back to Obama camp

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=15483&highlight=ron+PALIN

 

[Drknows]

Completely disagree. Who did the Reps blame in 2006? Themselves, for not being conservative enough. I heard it over and over during the conventions this year.

They will know what's come home to roost when they lose this year. They can't beat Dems by talking and acting like them. They must return to their conservative roots. I liken this year more to a Perot phenomenon than a Nader phenomenon

True and good point. who knows what will happen. but dont forget Perot gave us 8 years of Clinton then brought us GWB.

 

[georgiaboy]

True and good point. who knows what will happen. but dont forget Perot gave us 8 years of Clinton then brought us GWB.

Yep, yep, true, true.

That's where Rangeley's earlier good posts about staying involved and working in, up, & through the party must continue, as well as the education angles mentioned.

 

[AlexMerced]

The presidency doesn't matter, reform of policies won't change a way if people don't understand the priciple of liberty. Once they understand those principles, policies will change along with the mainstream mode of though.

THis is a battle of ideas, don't be distracted by the political camoflauge.

 

[georgiaboy]

The presidency doesn't matter, reform of policies won't change a way if people don't understand the priciple of liberty. Once they understand those principles, policies will change along with the mainstream mode of though.

THis is a battle of ideas, don't be distracted by the political camoflauge.

While I agree with your conclusion, I think the presidency matters inasmuch as it's a snapshot of voter sentiment, loosely reflecting their ideas.

That's why I think a McCain win - by conservatives 'falling in line' - will be a hindrance, as opposed to a help, to this movement.

 

[malibuu]

McCain wins -- . . . Enter RP Republicans.

McCain loses -- . . . Enter RP Republicans.

Yeah, I agree - this has already started either way it turns out!

 

[wd4freedom]

Pardon the hyperbole, but let me be perfectly clear.

If we have any near-term chance of achieving the RP revolution's lofty goals of constitutionally limited government, sound money, fiscal solvency, non-interventionism, and personal liberty --

McCain/Palin must lose the presidency. In addition, Republicans must lose US Senate and House seats across the nation.

It's as simple as that.

Without these Republican losses this November, we are a non-issue for the going forward plans of the big government crowd.

Our marginalization will continue. We will have no voice in either major party in the immediate future.

On the other hand, if losses occur this November, we will be heard loud and clear. We will be brought to the table. We will have truly begun the movement on a larger, public stage.

Vote your conscience as always, but remember these words. The Crown had to feel the pain of actual wartime losses to relenquish to the colonies their independence. The current leadership of this country will also need to feel significant loss to change direction. Sad, but nonetheless true.

Barr/Root 2008

http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Sarah-Palin-web-craze

 

[SeanEdwards]

If Republicans lose, people like Ron Paul (possibly Bob Barr) will be to blame.

That's good. That should be the goal. Paul should be proud to claim responsibility for torpedoing the GOP and McCain.

 

[Andrew-Austin]

Troll? Is that the best you can dish out? lol Go back to Obama camp

Stop attacking people with that fallacy. Just because some of us can not stomach voting for McCain like you, does not mean we support Obama in anyway.

 

[Ibgamer]

I will never vote for McCain

 

[AlexMerced]

While I agree with your conclusion, I think the presidency matters inasmuch as it's a snapshot of voter sentiment, loosely reflecting their ideas.

That's why I think a McCain win - by conservatives 'falling in line' - will be a hindrance, as opposed to a help, to this movement.

I use to think that, the hope of Mccain losing was so the RNC cabal would admit they need to open back up to the old school conservatives and libertarians, the goal was that concession.

I kind of feel that Palin is that concession... their way to admit they need us without losing face.

We still need to fight tooth for tooth for local and congresional seats, and to vote for Barr in November.

But I feel this is a clear signal we can ever hope to get from the RNC that hey are losing their control over the party.

Trust, the Cabal f Both parties wanted a Clinton/Giuliani battle, the hostility towards the status quo is now giving us a Obama/Mccain battle.

Superficially all these candidates represent a chage of direction, despite thier proposed policies which are more of the same.

If anyhing, the voter snapshot no matter who wins is positive, VOTERS are open to new ideas, and the party leadership on both sides losing control to a new generation of voters.


the in indicators are their, we're growing super fast when out it all in perspective, we just got to keep educating and keep learning, and we'll overtake the electorate.

 

[SeanEdwards]

I will never vote for McCain

If he had Paul as VP I might consider it. But then I'd make a McCain voodoo doll and start sticking pins in it.

 

[RickyJ]

Palin is the ONLY major candidate right now that is anything like Ron Paul at all. No, she is no Ron Paul, but she is better than any of the other major candidates. Yes I know VP doesn't do anything, but it would set her up for a run later. It's better to take a small step in the right direction than to take NO step at all. And Sara Palin is defintely a step in the right direction.