For the Revolution to Continue, McCain/Palin Must Lose

[georgiaboy]

Pardon the hyperbole, but let me be perfectly clear.

If we have any near-term chance of achieving the RP revolution's lofty goals of constitutionally limited government, sound money, fiscal solvency, non-interventionism, and personal liberty --

McCain/Palin must lose the presidency. In addition, Republicans must lose US Senate and House seats across the nation.

It's as simple as that.

Without these Republican losses this November, we are a non-issue for the going forward plans of the big government crowd.

Our marginalization will continue. We will have no voice in either major party in the immediate future.

On the other hand, if losses occur this November, we will be heard loud and clear. We will be brought to the table. We will have truly begun the movement on a larger, public stage.

Vote your conscience as always, but remember these words. The Crown had to feel the pain of actual wartime losses to relenquish to the colonies their independence. The current leadership of this country will also need to feel significant loss to change direction. Sad, but nonetheless true.

Barr/Root 2008

 

[constitutional]

If Republicans lose, people like Ron Paul (possibly Bob Barr) will be to blame.

I agree that this country might "need to feel significant loss to change direction" but we also need to be out there educating people so they turn to right kind of change!

 

[fedup100]

Pardon the hyperbole, but let me be perfectly clear.

If we have any near-term chance of achieving the RP revolution's lofty goals of constitutionally limited government, sound money, fiscal solvency, non-interventionism, and personal liberty --

McCain/Palin must lose the presidency. In addition, Republicans must lose US Senate and House seats across the nation.

It's as simple as that.

Without these Republican losses this November, we are a non-issue for the going forward plans of the big government crowd.

Our marginalization will continue. We will have no voice in either major party in the immediate future.

On the other hand, if losses occur this November, we will be heard loud and clear. We will be brought to the table. We will have truly begun the movement on a larger, public stage.

Vote your conscience as always, but remember these words. The Crown had to feel the pain of actual wartime losses to relenquish to the colonies their independence. The current leadership of this country will also need to feel significant loss to change direction. Sad, but nonetheless true.

Barr/Root 2008

At this late stage of the take down of America from within, you are just re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. There are too many third parties on purpose. Barr is a ringer to take away from any third party that could have actually won this year. I believe the term "divide and Conquer" comes to mind.

Palin is just a little cookie tossed into the ring to let the real americans think they have a chance 4 years from now. Nothing could be further from the truth, there will be no more America or another election, the country is gone.......gone now.........don't you get it. They have won, we have lost, the NAU will be ruled by who ever is crowned in January!

 

[pacelli]

Palin is just a little cookie tossed into the ring to let the real americans think they have a chance 4 years from now. Nothing could be further from the truth, there will be no more America or another election, the country is gone.......gone now.........don't you get it. They have won, we have lost, the NAU will be ruled by who ever is crowned in January!

Agreed. Ron send out this CFL email this morning, and in it he italicized the following sentence: We must resist the false choices the two major parties are giving us.

That's a pretty clear message.

 

[georgiaboy]

If Republicans lose, people like Ron Paul (possibly Bob Barr) will be to blame.

I agree that this country might "need to feel significant loss to change direction" but we also need to be out there educating people so they turn to right kind of change!

-- IMG/IMG --

Agreement all around.

On the education front, sadly, many won't listen until they feel the pain. That's what a major Republican defeat in November can deliver.

 

[georgiaboy]

Agreed. Ron send out this CFL email this morning, and in it he italicized the following sentence: We must resist the false choices the two major parties are giving us.

That's a pretty clear message.

Thank you, Ron.

 

[malibuu]

If Republicans lose, people like Ron Paul (possibly Bob Barr) will be to blame.

I respectfully disagree that RP would be to blame -
McCain's long history as a buffoon is the core of his electability problem.

John Shipley McCain
- born in Panama in 1936
- finished at the bottom of his U.S. Naval Academy class
- crashed several training flights ( one into Corpus Christi Bay) before his POW experience
- McCain was at the center of the biggest aircraft carrier disaster (USS Forrestal)
(be sure to see the video clip from very beginning, not only the later half which is after McCain's plane caught on fire first obviously before the errant missle)
- he missed over 50% of his Senate votes, including the 2009 budget resolution (doesn't understand the economy anyway)

The short list goes on and on for real reasons why McCain could get nearly shutout in the electoral college, imho anyway

 

[georgiaboy]

I respectfully disagree that RP would be to blame -
McCain's long history as a buffoon is the core of his electability problem.

John Shipley McCain
- born in Panama in 1936
- finished at the bottom of his U.S. Naval Academy class
- crashed several training flights ( one into Corpus Christi Bay) before his POW experience
- McCain was at the center of the biggest aircraft carrier disaster (USS Forrestal)
(be sure to see the video clip from very beginning, not only the later half which is after McCain's plane caught on fire first obviously before the errant missle)
- he missed over 50% of his Senate votes, including the 2009 budget resolution (doesn't understand the economy anyway)

The short list goes on and on for real reasons why McCain could get nearly shutout in the electoral college, imho anyway

good points, and you're correct, that's a short list. Lots of Romney, F. Thompson, Hunter, & Huckabee supporters I know are just as disgusted by McCain as I am.

There are loads of conservative Republicans who aren't necessarily RP supporters but also want to see a righting of the ship that will either sit this one out or vote 3rd party.

 

[spacehabitats]

I agree but...

We must be careful with the congressional races. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

You had better have a pretty bad congressman, or a pretty good RP candidate waiting in the wings to throw out all of the Republicans.

Heck, Obama could just declare the One World Government and his sycophantic crew of Democrats would vote it in by acclimation.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

The short list goes on and on for real reasons why McCain could get nearly shutout in the electoral college, imho anyway

And what is the reason Obama should win?

I'd sooner vote for McCain than Obama....and I'd sooner poke a hornet's nest with a short stick than vote for McCain.

 

[constitutional]

I respectfully disagree that RP would be to blame -
McCain's long history as a buffoon is the core of his electability problem.

John Shipley McCain
- born in Panama in 1936
- finished at the bottom of his U.S. Naval Academy class
- crashed several training flights ( one into Corpus Christi Bay) before his POW experience
- McCain was at the center of the biggest aircraft carrier disaster (USS Forrestal)
(be sure to see the video clip from very beginning, not only the later half which is after McCain's plane caught on fire first obviously before the errant missle)
- he missed over 50% of his Senate votes, including the 2009 budget resolution (doesn't understand the economy anyway)

The short list goes on and on for real reasons why McCain could get nearly shutout in the electoral college, imho anyway

So let me get this straight, John McCain's supporters know the following (according to you):

- born in Panama in 1936
- finished at the bottom of his U.S. Naval Academy class
- crashed several training flights ( one into Corpus Christi Bay) before his POW experience
- McCain was at the center of the biggest aircraft carrier disaster (USS Forrestal)
(be sure to see the video clip from very beginning, not only the later half which is after McCain's plane caught on fire first obviously before the errant missle)
- he missed over 50% of his Senate votes, including the 2009 budget resolution (doesn't understand the economy anyway)

Yet they will vote for him. And when he loses, his supporters will blame it on his "history as a buffoon". So why did they vote for him in first place again? LOL

"Born in Panama in 1936". Ha malibu, I know how quickly this thread will go downhill. So forget anything I said above.

 

[georgiaboy]

We must be careful with the congressional races. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

You had better have a pretty bad congressman, or a pretty good RP candidate waiting in the wings to throw out all of the Republicans.

Heck, Obama could just declare the One World Government and his sycophantic crew of Democrats would vote it in by acclimation.

Yeah, I know. I want the wounding of the party to be critical, but not fatal. Some "OMG, how did we lose THAT seat?!?!?" is necessary for the point to sink in, but we also want to be able to rebuild quickly for 2010 and 2012.

 

[Join The Paul Side]

And what is the reason Obama should win?

I'd sooner vote for McCain than Obama....and I'd sooner poke a hornet's nest with a short stick than vote for McCain.

I have sat back the last 4 years and watch my ability to support my family slowly deteriorate in front of my face. This summer alone has brutally evaporated my savings through record high gas prices and sharply rising food costs along with the mandatory 32% increase of my electric bill (Thank You FPL `_|_). `_|_ = middle finger a.k.a. flicking the bird........

For McCain to win and bring me 4 years more of this bullshit is too much of a burden to bear. I'm not saying I will personally vote for Obama (I'm voting Barr), but since Barr is unlikely to win I hope the sheeple elect Obama.

I'd rather roll the dice on whatever Change it is Obama intends to bring than suffer another 4 years of Neocon policies. FUCK THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Drknows]

And what is the reason Obama should win?

I'd sooner vote for McCain than Obama....and I'd sooner poke a hornet's nest with a short stick than vote for McCain.

Exactly! how come nobody mentions the other possible scenarios?

I find it laughable that people say Mccain should lose to Obama. Look at Nader the Dems hate his fucking guts for what he did. Now hes giving speeches to drunken college kids in bars and asking for handouts.

His whole life's work means jack shit now.


You know what will happen if Mccain loses? They wont blame Ron Paul or Bob Barr they will blame LIBS just like they always do. Just like the dems blamed Neocons when Gore and Kerry lost. And loser Gore is now some kind of role model to them.

we will still accumulate the same amount of debt under both administrations.


Now with that said I will probably sit this one out. Unless i get pissed enough about all this Obama bullshit i see everywhere.

 

[Rangeley]

Please. The result of this election is not the judge of our success. If it were, we have already lost. It's time to stop being short sighted and move on. The true way to succeed is to get involved, and stay involved in politics and government. Work your way up. That is how we will succeed.

 

[georgiaboy]

Exactly! how come nobody mentions the other possible scenarios?

I find it laughable that people say Mccain should lose to Obama. Look at Nader the Dems hate his fucking guts for what he did. Now hes giving speeches to drunken college kids in bars and asking for handouts.

His whole life's work means jack shit now.


You know what will happen if Mccain loses? They wont blame Ron Paul or Bob Barr they will blame LIBS just like they always do. Just like the dems blamed Neocons when Gore and Kerry lost. And loser Gore is now some kind of role model to them.

we will still accumulate the same amount of debt under both administrations.


Now with that said I will probably sit this one out. Unless i get pissed enough about all this Obama bullshit i see everywhere.

Completely disagree. Who did the Reps blame in 2006? Themselves, for not being conservative enough. I heard it over and over during the conventions this year.

They will know what's come home to roost when they lose this year. They can't beat Dems by talking and acting like them. They must return to their conservative roots. I liken this year more to a Perot phenomenon than a Nader phenomenon

 

[DAFTEK]

Ahhhh the Obama manics are popping up on RPF once again.....

 

[malibuu]

So let me get this straight, John McCain's supporters know the following . . .

Well, I never said Johnny "Double-Talk Express" McCain primary supporters knew anything about him . . . yet.

But his first important decision picking a VP running mate supports his problem with overall bad judgment -
a second in command nominee after her being mayor of a town of 8,500 only 20 months ago? uggh
It is a political gimmick, a political calculation that the GOP doesn't really need - is she ready to step in, especially with McCain's age and health problems ?

And the Supreme Court will look at McCain's native-born eligibility problem - as the Court itself has called the "natural-born citizen" executive requirement of the 55 framers.
The legislatures of Congress do not have the authority to change that constitutional requirement by meaningless resolutions or other acts of Congress to define terminology written into the Constitution - it is the Supreme Court to decide such constitutional issues.

 

[familydog]

We must be careful. We don't want the Nader effect.

 

[georgiaboy]

Please. The result of this election is not the judge of our success. If it were, we have already lost. It's time to stop being short sighted and move on. The true way to succeed is to get involved, and stay involved in politics and government. Work your way up. That is how we will succeed.

I am being short sighted on purpose, and I stated that in my OP.

Sure, for both short and longer term, staying involved & working our way up is essential.

But significant Republican losses this year, starting with the top of the ticket, will dramatically increase our momentum and chances of shorter term success than will victories.

It's the perfect catalyst for our local efforts to really take off.