For the Revolution to Continue, McCain/Palin Must Lose

[RonPaulFanInGA]

I'm going to be laughing hard at all the people fawning over Palin if the pregnancy cover up scandal explodes the next week or two...

Read this from a blogger on April 27, 2008:

http://www.polartrec.com/node/3944

Of course I had to check out the “Hottest Governor in the US” and quickly turned to see her pregnant (she has since had her baby) with bags and daughter in tote.

Read it all. It is good stuff.

Also this:

I mean really. Daily Kos has sunk to a new low and people who believe what they're saying are complete and hopeless morons. For God's sake, the whole "faking pregnancy to cover up for daughter" thing is just a lifted plot line from 'Desperate Housewives'.

 

[georgiaboy]

All you people who are taking this neocon bait are just being pwned.

Way to teach the Republicans a lesson. not.

If McCain had picked BJ Lawson (check his creds against Palin), coupled with policy talk and platform action keen to our ears, there might be a reason to reconsider.

Until then, though, we must remain vigilant and discerning and not be so easily bought & paid for.

Geesh.

 

[PatriotOne]

If Republicans lose, people like Ron Paul (possibly Bob Barr) will be to blame.

I'm okay with that and furthermore I hope we ARE the reason the neocon Repukes lose. I will proudly wear that badge of honor. 2012 they will be catering to us, not marginalizing us. WE pick the next Republican candidate if they want to win the election in 2012 and if not, they can kiss the 2012 election goodbye also.

 

[klamath]

Pardon the hyperbole, but let me be perfectly clear.

If we have any near-term chance of achieving the RP revolution's lofty goals of constitutionally limited government, sound money, fiscal solvency, non-interventionism, and personal liberty --

McCain/Palin must lose the presidency. In addition, Republicans must lose US Senate and House seats across the nation.

It's as simple as that.

Without these Republican losses this November, we are a non-issue for the going forward plans of the big government crowd.

Our marginalization will continue. We will have no voice in either major party in the immediate future.

On the other hand, if losses occur this November, we will be heard loud and clear. We will be brought to the table. We will have truly begun the movement on a larger, public stage.

Vote your conscience as always, but remember these words. The Crown had to feel the pain of actual wartime losses to relenquish to the colonies their independence. The current leadership of this country will also need to feel significant loss to change direction. Sad, but nonetheless true.

Barr/Root 2008

Though I somewhat agree on the theory, I do not agree that we need to have the democrats win big in congress. I have seen over the years it is a lot easyer to stop a piece of legislation than to get rid of it after it is enacted.
If Obama wins with a filibuster proof congress we will see at least several other huge federal programs enacted. I would like the Republicans to feel the sting of lossing the presidency but have the government deadlocked to prevent major enactments of social programs over the next 4 or 8 years.
Tell me the last program that was repealed once the people were on the tit?
Any program once implemented is nearly impossable to get rid of. Even Reagan with his huge mandate for smaller government could not get rid of one department.
If you keep insisting on a huge democratic win in all areas with this in mind I suspect your real motives.

 

[Rhys]

you shouldn't even consider voting for mccain or obama. they shouldn't even be an option in your mind. if you don't vote for who should be president, you're part of the problem.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Though I somewhat agree on the theory, I do not agree that we need to have the democrats win big in congress. I have seen over the years it is a lot easyer to stop a piece of legislation than to get rid of it after it is enacted.
If Obama wins with a filibuster proof congress we will see at least several other huge federal programs enacted. I would like the Republicans to feel the sting of lossing the presidency but have the government deadlocked to prevent major enactments of social programs over the next 4 or 8 years.
Tell me the last program that was repealed once the people were on the tit?
Any program once implemented is nearly impossable to get rid of. Even Reagan with his huge mandate for smaller government could not get rid of one department.
If you keep insisting on a huge democratic win in all areas with this in mind I suspect your real motives.

If we get McCain, we will have massive new social programs anyway. Guns and butter, remember? The welfare-warfare state support both ends of each other, where more war spending gets 'negotiated' with the 'opposition' via an agreement to get more domestic spending, and vice versa. If anything the Bush experience has taught us (where spending and programs increased even under a fully GOP-controlled government), it is that whatever and whenever the CFR establishment wants something, it gets it regardless of the party in power, and regardless of the opposition.

The immediate priority of the Revolution is to get at least some Paul type people (those who have the same positions as expressed on the Paul slimjims) into office to act as successors to Paul, who is 73 now. Beyond that is the goal of dominating American politics, perhaps beginning with the Republican Party, to the point of getting Paul or a successor elected President, by as early as 2012 (assuming there will be another election). Yes, there should be some contingency planning in case McCain does win, but we should be under no illusions that the easiest route to dominating the GOP comes from anything other than a McCain defeat, from which a party power vacuum can result.

 

[georgiaboy]

Though I somewhat agree on the theory, I do not agree that we need to have the democrats win big in congress. I have seen over the years it is a lot easyer to stop a piece of legislation than to get rid of it after it is enacted.
If Obama wins with a filibuster proof congress we will see at least several other huge federal programs enacted. I would like the Republicans to feel the sting of lossing the presidency but have the government deadlocked to prevent major enactments of social programs over the next 4 or 8 years.
Tell me the last program that was repealed once the people were on the tit?
Any program once implemented is nearly impossable to get rid of. Even Reagan with his huge mandate for smaller government could not get rid of one department.
If you keep insisting on a huge democratic win in all areas with this in mind I suspect your real motives.

I do wonder exactly how much pain the Republican party and the average American voter will have to endure to get them to wake up and truly begin to scale back the federal government with votes and actions. I'm afraid it may have to be much more than you and I would like to imagine.

You're correct about gov't programs and history. Is this trend reversible? That's what I'm hoping, and that's why we're expending all our energies, correct?

You can suspect my motives all you like (that's only reasonable behavior on any forum such as this), we agree fundamentally, it's just a matter of severity. And never have I nor would I recommend voting Democrat or neo-liberal. Check my postings, I'm an RP Rebublican. The only way to get the message and goals moving forward is Republican, Libertarian, or another classically liberal, true conservative movement such as this.

 

[FreeTraveler]

It does not matter one bit who wins. The result will be the same.

Well, not exactly.

McCain wins - the cities burn in protest.

Obama wins - a year later, in protest of Obama failing to deliver on even one of his campaign promises - the cities burn.

Think local economy for the next few years, and be prepared to assist with the rebuild after FedGov collapses.

Man, I wish I was joking.

 

[SeanEdwards]

I'm okay with that and furthermore I hope we ARE the reason the neocon Repukes lose. I will proudly wear that badge of honor. 2012 they will be catering to us, not marginalizing us. WE pick the next Republican candidate if they want to win the election in 2012 and if not, they can kiss the 2012 election goodbye also.

Exactly. That's why McCain must lose badly. If RP republicans defect the GOP en masse and can claim credit for sinking McLame, then that gives us power and influence.

Electing McCain will destroy any influence RP has on the GOP.

 

[jbuttell]

While I agree with your conclusion, I think the presidency matters inasmuch as it's a snapshot of voter sentiment, loosely reflecting their ideas.

That's why I think a McCain win - by conservatives 'falling in line' - will be a hindrance, as opposed to a help, to this movement.

You could be right georiaboy. It's just that I can't agree with those that propose we gamble, or play a game.

Our Politicians do this constantly, a little give and take - with the promise that a little compromise will push things in the 'right' direction. I believe a core component of Ron Paul's message is not to compromise - as this is precisely what has brought us to the sorry state of affairs we're at today.

What you and some others are proposing (I believe you suggested supporting Obama) is like trying to do some controlled burning in a forest rather than cutting down a few trees. What happens if you loose too much control - if the fire spreads too far. Unintended consequences, blowback. Do you want to look back at your actions in a few years and say "Well, my intentions were good, this isn't what I meant to happen."

I believe we should never support these two candidates, regardless of what we think *might* happen. We must stop playing their game.

.jeremy

 

[georgiaboy]

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What you and some others are proposing (I believe you suggested supporting Obama) is like trying to do some controlled burning in a forest rather than cutting down a few trees. What happens if you loose too much control - if the fire spreads too far. Unintended consequences, blowback. Do you want to look back at your actions in a few years and say "Well, my intentions were good, this isn't what I meant to happen."

I believe we should never support these two candidates, regardless of what we think *might* happen. We must stop playing their game.

.jeremy

wasn't me...

From post #67 above,

... And never have I nor would I recommend voting Democrat or neo-liberal. Check my postings, I'm an RP Rebublican. The only way to get the message and goals moving forward is Republican, Libertarian, or another classically liberal, true conservative movement such as this.

 

[nbhadja]

Maybe all you 50 year olds out there find her hot but I don't at all.

 

[hypnagogue]

It's more than a little disgusting how readily some people gobble up this meaningless pandering that is Sarah Palin. If you seriously think her selection as VP does anything to change what the McCain administration will be, you're utterly clueless. Old habits die hard, eh Republicans?

 

[gaazn]

If the GOP loses in an electoral landslide, they will have their bases covered because palin being on the ticket will be used to discredit the fiscal conservative/Western GOP wing. That could hurt the Revolution.

 

[georgiaboy]

If the GOP loses in an electoral landslide, they will have their bases covered because palin being on the ticket will be used to discredit the fiscal conservative/Western GOP wing. That could hurt the Revolution.

If they're that deluded, maybe, but i'm thinking it'll be easy enough to see that the conservative base either stayed home or voted third party. If anything, the resulting analysis will be, and should be, that the GOP ticket wasn't conservative enough.

 

[PatriotOne]

Exactly. That's why McCain must lose badly. If RP republicans defect the GOP en masse and can claim credit for sinking McLame, then that gives us power and influence.

Electing McCain will destroy any influence RP has on the GOP.

It really is that simple isn't it? If we start rolling around with those pigs the only thing we will get is dirty. There is no compromise with the neocons....only cons.

 

[VoteForRonPaul]

For the Revolution to Continue, McCain/Palin Must Lose

For the revolution to continue, 9/11 must be re-investigated!
Get those criminals behind bars and the road for the revolution will be wide open!

 

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

If the GOP loses in an electoral landslide, they will have their bases covered because palin being on the ticket will be used to discredit the fiscal conservative/Western GOP wing. That could hurt the Revolution.

That doesn't fly with me. Vice Presidents usually don't get much attention by the broader part of the US public. They don't win or lose elections. The main candidates do. Using that logic is like saying Obama losing will be due to Biden, and the old establishment wing of the Democrats will be discredited.

 

[Kalifornia]

that is simply not true. people are very slowly starting to come around. We dont have to hand the country over to the worse of two evils to make a difference.

 

[PatriotOne]

that is simply not true. people are very slowly starting to come around. We dont have to hand the country over to the worse of two evils to make a difference.

Get over the left right paradigm already. They are both stooges of the same freaking people. There is no lessor of two evils.