Ferguson decision is in -- NO INDICTMENT

The last time black men tried to open carry, St. Reagan passed gun control laws. I'd say they could very much use the education on the right to bear arms and history, just like any other person ignorant to gun rights should. What's the point of educating people on liberty if you're then going to argue they should figure it out themselves?

Yes, I'm all about education. But a lot of this can be figured out on your own.

I have spent my entire adult life, if doing nothing else "political" than fighting for second amendment rights for ALL people.

Tell me, how much did you contribute to Shaneen Allen's defense fund?
 
Better than the daily Chinese water torture of an outrage here, a blown up kid there, a dead family dog over there.

That how you want to live the rest of your life?

Worried that the banging on the door at 0300 is not crooks but cops?

Under total surveillance everywhere you go?

I'm just not that outraged, and this is coming from a person with first-hand experience of some of the things you mentioned.
 
Yes, I'm all about education. But a lot of this can be figured out on your own.

I have spent my entire adult life, if doing nothing else "political" than fighting for second amendment rights for ALL people.

Tell me, how much did you contribute to Shaneen Allen's defense fund?

Then you have nothing against educating both black and white communities about 2A. That doesn't contradict what I was saying at all. I was responding to a poster drawing parallels between Ferguson and Bundy Ranch, which were not alike at all. One was a group of wealthy people well-versed in gun rights and ready to defend their property, while another involved a less well-off community of people with pent up frustration from years of injustice finally reaching a breaking point. Is it not then beneficial to use this opportunity to educate people in that community and other similar areas about the racist history of gun control laws?
 
I'm just not that outraged, and this is coming from a person with first-hand experience of some of the things you mentioned.

Well, every person's level of "what will I take" is different.

I think I have seen enough of what's to come, that I am of the mindset that every able bodied person should be in the streets and confronting these tyrants by any and all means at our disposal.

Of course, I'm sitting in a comfy home far removed from everything right now, so brand me a hypocrite.

Your mileage may vary.
 
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The last time black men tried to open carry, St. Reagan passed gun control laws. I'd say they could very much use the education on the right to bear arms and history, just like any other person ignorant to gun rights should. What's the point of educating people on liberty if you're then going to argue they should figure it out themselves?

Well, after Rand gets elected encourage a whole bunch of open carry by black men, and he won't. In fact, he will probably ask the States not to do so either. Normalize it and then later it will be a lot harder ro go back.
 
You would like to see that happen?

I dont think anyone wants to see that happen. Really though, what does one do? Watch the further militarization? I'm not saying go out on the offensive, not at all, but at what point do you take a stand? When its too late?

To be clear, nobody got seriously hurt at the Bundy ranch. There was some roughing up of the women by the feds, but after that happened, it was a standoff. Then the feds cowered away to fight another day, via the pen. In the Bundy story, it was extremely clear who the bad guys were. Even though the militia showed up with their guns, people were on their side - and the cameras were there to keep everyone honest.

The situation in Ferguson is a missed opportunity in this regard. If you are on the wrong side of the public opinion, you're done. Nobody wants riots, and nobody thinks what those idiots in Ferguson are doing is right. However, I watched Bassem's stream, and the sh!t did not go down until the gas was flying. Bait cars were planted with the hopes they could entice the violent idiots into vindicating the police, and those idiots took the bait. The public was on their side and they blew it, big time. Darren Wilson is not the only one vindicated now, its the militarized police force - "this is why we need MRAPs people". These people are professionals, and the idiots doing all the looting are as easy to play as a fisher price guitar.


If you're going to protest, do it peaceably. If you're going to war, don't attack your allies, attack the enemy. Otherwise, stay the fk home.
 
Then you have nothing against educating both black and white communities about 2A. That doesn't contradict what I was saying at all. I was responding to a poster drawing parallels between Ferguson and Bundy Ranch, which were not alike at all. One was a group of wealthy people well-versed in gun rights and ready to defend their property, while another involved a less well-off community of people with pent up frustration from years of injustice finally reaching a breaking point. Is it not then beneficial to use this opportunity to educate people in that community and other similar areas about the racist history of gun control laws?

There is the example of the lady who bought a pistol for her own protection and then accidentally shot herself in the head. People who don't know what to do with a gun ought not to be carrying them. Some kind of gun handling education should probably go with them. An advocacy group could do this. LOL set up a 501(c)3 to legally arm the black community and use it to train everyone in gun safety handling and responsibility...

Or better, make it a PAC and teach liberty at the same time. :D
 
Then you have nothing against educating both black and white communities about 2A. That doesn't contradict what I was saying at all. I was responding to a poster drawing parallels between Ferguson and Bundy Ranch, which were not alike at all. One was a group of wealthy people well-versed in gun rights and ready to defend their property, while another involved a less well-off community of people with pent up frustration from years of injustice finally reaching a breaking point. Is it not then beneficial to use this opportunity to educate people in that community and other similar areas about the racist history of gun control laws?

Sure, but you are drawing conclusions based on wrongheaded stereotypes that are just as bad as people dismissing the Ferguson situation as "just a bunch of black ass ghetto trash rioting and burning down their own shit as usual".

Wealthy?

I know a couple of folks that went to Bundy or were getting ready to, and let me tell you, they had to beg for gas money.

What, you don't think ranchers and farmers have been dealing with heavy handed government enforcement and takings and raids and arrests?

I am trying to get some interest generated in protesting the latest government action, by decree only, closing down cod fishing in New England and wiping out thousands of people economically.

No, black folks are not the only ones being oppressed in AmeriKa these days.
 
Well, every person's level of "what will I take" is different.

I think I have seen enough of what's to come, that I am of the mindset that every able bodied person should be in the streets and confronting these tyrants by any and all means at our disposal.

Of course, I'm sitting in a comfy home far removed from everything right now, so brand me a hypocrite.

Your mileage may vary.

This belongs here:

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List of (known) Streams:

If there are any streams that should be added to this list let me know, will keep a running compilation.
Edit: Some of these are currently offline, there are a few like Tim Pool and Vice News that usually doesn't go online until things start to "jump off" as the kids would say.

CNN:
http://www.livenewschat.eu/breaking/

MSNBC:
http://www.livenewschat.eu/politics/

KSTK/NBC News
TBD

Fox 2 News - St. Louis
http://fox2now.com/on-air/live-streaming-2/

Vice News (Danny Gold)
TBD

BassemMasri
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/bassemmasri

Tim Pool (Fusion.Net)
TBD

InfoWars (Alex Jones Channel)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETcoMSOY2xU

STLDagger
http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9690208/events/3569957

heatherdemian
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/heatherdemian

KMOX Radio
http://player.radio.com/listen/station/newsradio-1120-kmox/

Global Revolution
http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution

Anon Copwatch in Ferguson
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/anon-copwatch

occupythemob
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/occupythemob

I am Mike Brown
http://new.livestream.com/ASN/events/3271930

St. Louis County Police Scanner
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/st-louis-county-police-scanner


######## Other Locations

NYC - JamesFromTheInternet
http://new.livestream.com/jamesfromtheinternet

Portland - Occucakes
ustream.tv/channel/occucakes

Portland - JesseHadden
http://www.ustream.tv/jessehadden

durham 2 ferguson
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/amirislive
 
Sure, but you are drawing conclusions based on wrongheaded stereotypes that are just as bad as people dismissing the Ferguson situation as "just a bunch of black ass ghetto trash rioting and burning down their own shit as usual".

Wealthy?

I know a couple of folks that went to Bundy or were getting ready to, and let me tell you, they had to beg for gas money.

What, you don't think ranchers and farmers have been dealing with heavy handed government enforcement and takings and raids and arrests?

I am trying to get some interest generated in protesting the latest government action, by decree only, closing down cod fishing in New England and wiping out thousands of people economically.

No, black folks are not the only ones being oppressed in AmeriKa these days.

I wasn't speaking about people from out of state who went to join in on the Bundy Ranch incident. And I'm not sure how you're drawing the conclusion that it's a stereotype to imply a community that's at the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder with a long history of systemic abuse, racism, reduction to subhuman status and taught to self-hate, aren't exactly the first to sit around and contemplating the history of gun laws. If you look at history, the right to bear arms has traditionally been a white privilege. You can't expect people who have been treated like trash and told they weren't civilized enough to own guns, to have a sudden period of enlightenment. That's reality, not a stereotype. I think it's insulting to dismiss the history of gun rights as a white privilege as if it has no bearing on present reality.

And no, I've never argued that only blacks are being oppressed. However, I do argue that they've not only had to endure it for a much longer period of time and to larger extents, but continue to get treated a good deal worse both socially and systematically.
 
I wasn't speaking about people from out of state who went to join in on the Bundy Ranch incident. And I'm not sure how you're drawing the conclusion that it's a stereotype to imply a community that's at the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder with a long history of systemic abuse, racism, reduction to subhuman status and taught to self-hate, aren't exactly the first to sit around and contemplating the history of gun laws. If you look at history, the right to bear arms has traditionally been a white privilege. You can't expect people who have been treated like trash and told they weren't civilized enough to own guns, to have a sudden period of enlightenment. That's reality, not a stereotype. I think it's insulting to dismiss the history of gun rights as a white privilege as if it has no bearing on present reality.

And no, I've never argued that only blacks are being oppressed. However, I do argue that they've not only had to endure it for a much longer period of time and to larger extents, but continue to get treated a good deal worse both socially and systematically.

So, you're basically invoking the "sympathetic" anti-abolitionist argument circa 1850:

"Blacks are not ready for and cannot handle freedom".

Well, they managed just fine, fifty years ago:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deacons_for_Defense_and_Justice

deacons-for-defense.jpg
 
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So, you're basically invoking the "sympathetic" anti-abolitionist argument circa 1850:

"Blacks are not ready for and cannot handle freedom".

Uhh, what?

No, my argument is that it's not "stereotyping" to suggest there are valid reasons why the black community isn't fighting for 2A rights or educated on the manner like you find across white populations. You can try to spin it however you want, but that would be to ignore reality. For example, a black man open carrying or a Muslim wearing a headscarf doing the same, will elicit harsher responses from people and the police force, while white people doing the same are seen as less of a threat. It has been socially ingrained that these two images are to be feared. You don't think this also plays a role in why black people may be more hesitant to want to own firearms or approach 2A rights more openly like whites do? This is of course, completely disregarding the racist history of gun laws/ownership in this country. It's not difficult to understand why white people would have a richer history in supporting 2A that extends to present time. Why are you having trouble grasping this?
 
Uhh, what?

No, my argument is that it's not "stereotyping" to suggest there are valid reasons why the black community isn't fighting for 2A rights or educated on the manner like you find across white populations. You can try to spin it however you want, but that would be to ignore reality. For example, a black man open carrying or a Muslim wearing a headscarf doing the same, will elicit harsher responses from people and the police force, while white people doing the same are seen as less of a threat. It has been socially ingrained that these two images are to be feared. You don't think this also plays a role in why black people may be more hesitant to want to own firearms or approach 2A rights more openly like whites do? This is of course, completely disregarding the racist history of gun laws/ownership in this country. It's not difficult to understand why white people would have a richer history in supporting 2A that extends to present time. Why are you having trouble grasping this?

I seem to recall the only people freaking out about the black guys open carrying at tea party events were the liberal media. MSNBC in particular going as far as to crop out a guys body to hide he was even black. People see black cops carrying guns all the time, I think your racism is blinding you to the fact that the public wouldn't have any bigger hissyfit about it than they do with white people open carrying.
 
Uhh, what?

No, my argument is that it's not "stereotyping" to suggest there are valid reasons why the black community isn't fighting for 2A rights or educated on the manner like you find across white populations. You can try to spin it however you want, but that would be to ignore reality. For example, a black man open carrying or a Muslim wearing a headscarf doing the same, will elicit harsher responses from people and the police force, while white people doing the same are seen as less of a threat. It has been socially ingrained that these two images are to be feared. You don't think this also plays a role in why black people may be more hesitant to want to own firearms or approach 2A rights more openly like whites do? This is of course, completely disregarding the racist history of gun laws/ownership in this country. It's not difficult to understand why white people would have a richer history in supporting 2A that extends to present time. Why are you having trouble grasping this?

I have no trouble grasping that.

What you seem to have a problem with is the idea that it can, and should be overcome, and also is not as widespread as you might think.

I know more than few black men my age that are as big, if not bigger, "gun nuts" than I am.

What I am having a problem with here is why, as it appears to me, are you trying to enhance that divide instead of bridging it.

We are all in the cross-hairs of the system
 
reports of people jumping on police car at Ferguson City Hall. Molotov cocktails, trying to destroy the building and overturn cars. All units respond.
 
I seem to recall the only people freaking out about the black guys open carrying at tea party events were the liberal media. MSNBC in particular going as far as to crop out a guys body to hide he was even black. People see black cops carrying guns all the time, I think your racism is blinding you to the fact that the public wouldn't have any bigger hissyfit about it than they do with white people open carrying.

Valid points
 
I got a question. If a store has insurance, what exactly does the insurance pay for in the event of a riot or looter situation? Cost to Repair/Rebuild? Loss of all merchandise? Loss of equipment? Loss of employee wages? Loss of profit?
 
I got a question. If a store has insurance, what exactly does the insurance pay for in the event of a riot or looter situation? Cost to Repair/Rebuild? Loss of all merchandise? Loss of equipment? Loss of employee wages? Loss of profit?

Depends on the policy. Sometimes, if it is real bad, they will cut the owner a check and have them rebuild elsewhere. Sometimes, the policy doesn't even cover it.
 
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