Ferguson decision is in -- NO INDICTMENT

[invisible]

One thing being overlooked in both sides of this little OT discussion, is that black people overwhelmingly vote for democrats who want to undermine the 2A.

So, it seems awful quiet, as far as reports of anything going on in Ferguson. Not much posted on topic here in quite some time.

 

[invisible]

reports of people jumping on police car at Ferguson City Hall. Molotov cocktails, trying to destroy the building and overturn cars. All units respond.

Thanks for the update!

 

[specsaregood]

I got a question. If a store has insurance, what exactly does the insurance pay for in the event of a riot or looter situation? Cost to Repair/Rebuild? Loss of all merchandise? Loss of equipment? Loss of employee wages? Loss of profit?

I was thinking about this earlier today. I wonder how many of those non-chain stores in the area lost their insurance policy in the months between the riots? I mean what insurer in their right might would insure a business in the area prior to the grand jury decision?

 

[CPUd]

Windows broken out at City Hall

MO state SWAT 10-23 (they arrived)

Active crime scene, additional units requested behind the city hall

 

[Antischism]

I seem to recall the only people freaking out about the black guys open carrying at tea party events were the liberal media. MSNBC in particular going as far as to crop out a guys body to hide he was even black. People see black cops carrying guns all the time, I think your racism is blinding you to the fact that the public wouldn't have any bigger hissyfit about it than they do with white people open carrying.

So you're using an isolated incident, at a Tea Party event no less, as irrefutable proof that there's no social bias that endangers gun carrying minorities more than whites? Just like that, isolated events do away entirely with history and reality. Alright then.

I have no trouble grasping that.

What you seem to have a problem with is the idea that it can, and should be overcome, and also is not as widespread as you might think.

I know more than few black men my age that are as big, if not bigger, "gun nuts" than I am.

What I am having a problem with here is why, as it appears to me, are you trying to enhance that divide instead of bridging it.

We are all in the cross-hairs of the system

Can you point out where I stated it can't or shouldn't be overcome? If I recall correctly, I was pushing the need for education. The historical and social impacts on the black community were used to back up my point on why it's necessary to educate, and why we can't simply expect people to magically wake up after decades of being told they weren't civilized enough to own guns. You can call accepting reality divisive if you want and hide behind this idea that not speaking about racism will lessen racism which is patently false, but I think it's necessary to address those issues if you want to bridge the metaphorical gap.

And again, these anecdotes don't refute our past and present reality.

 

[CPUd]

Large group leaving city hall - half are walking toward the police station. Telling units to stay posted up around the police station.

 

[Antischism]

One thing being overlooked in both sides of this little OT discussion, is that black people overwhelmingly vote for democrats who want to undermine the 2A.

So, it seems awful quiet, as far as reports of anything going on in Ferguson. Not much posted on topic here in quite some time.

A good percentage of blacks fall at the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder, so I don't think they tend to worry about where the parties stand on gun laws (everyone would do well not to vote for either party regardless), rather their survival. One party does a better job of promising a safety net while the other party's rhetoric sounds more beneficial to the wealthy. Of course, most of it is all talk and nothing substantial ever happens, and like I've been saying, it's another reason why it's important to push for education on all matters of liberty.

 

[CPUd]

large group 100+ at the Whistle Stop. smoke coming from the area around the Whistle Stop. Whistle Stop is locked and secured.

All available units to the Whistle Stop.

 

[DFF]

Of course, most of it is all talk and nothing substantial ever happens, and like I've been saying, it's another reason why it's important to push for education on all matters of liberty.

...provided by the state, naturally. More liberal big-government bullshit.

 

[specsaregood]

So you're using an isolated incident, at a Tea Party event no less, as irrefutable proof that there's no social bias that endangers gun carrying minorities more than whites? Just like that, isolated events do away entirely with history and reality. Alright then.

Actually that was just one incident; it was hardly the only one. I also mentioned that the public is used to seeing black cops open carrying, or black military members with guns. Hell, how many movies are there were the hero is black and has guns? Last time I was at the range there were more than a few black folk. I've known quite a few black folk that were gun nuts. Shit man, the only person here seeing color terms of gun ownership/rights is you.

Perhaps you are just isolated and out of touch due to being in NYC.

 

[Antischism]

...provided by the state, naturally. More liberal big-government bullshit.

Believe it or not, I want to abolish the State so racist trolls like you can go away and do whatever it is your ilk does, and I can peacefully coexist somewhere far away from you.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Can you point out where I stated it can't or shouldn't be overcome? If I recall correctly, I was pushing the need for education. The historical and social impacts on the black community were used to back up my point on why it's necessary to educate, and why we can't simply expect people to magically wake up after decades of being told they weren't civilized enough to own guns. You can call accepting reality divisive if you want and hide behind this idea that not speaking about racism will lessen racism which is patently false, but I think it's necessary to address those issues if you want to bridge the metaphorical gap.

And again, these anecdotes don't refute our past and present reality.

As for the Bundy Ranch stuff, when are we going to train and arm the black community? The situations are quite different. Furthermore, I'd argue cops are a hell of a lot more likely to shoot an armed black man if they can't even refrain from shooting a 12-year-old black boy with a toy gun in a school setting.

Tell that to Erik Scott. Or that poor bastard they shot in his doorway in Florida, or Jose Guarena or Nick Christie or Kelly Thomas or on and on...

That is where the disconnect is.

The situations are not different, as far as I'm concerned.

They are, in principle, exactly the same.

And I would love nothing more than to see the exact same "Bundy" response in Ferguson.

 

[CPUd]

The Whistle Stop is not on fire.

Large crowd gathering in the parking lot at Dollar Tree

Continue roving patrols on the W Flourissant corridor.

Police cars blocking traffic on Church, nowhere to re-route it, what to do?

 

[invisible]

Believe it or not, I want to abolish the State so racist trolls like you can go away and do whatever it is your ilk does, and I can peacefully coexist somewhere far away from you.

I have yet to see him make any sort of positive contribution here, let alone an intelligent one.

 

[CPUd]

Attempted break-in at walgreen's. Units arrive, everyone is scattering.

STL County has no more available resources at this time.

Silver vehicle, tinted windows failing to yield, no lights on, just hit a police car.

back to walgreens, looters coming back

 

[Antischism]

Actually that was just one incident; it was hardly the only one. I also mentioned that the public is used to seeing black cops open carrying, or black military members with guns. Hell, how many movies are there were the hero is black and has guns? Last time I was at the range there were more than a few black folk. I've known quite a few black folk that were gun nuts. Shit man, the only person here seeing color terms of gun ownership/rights is you.

Perhaps you are just isolated and out of touch due to being in NYC.

You don't see the difference between how the public would perceive a black cop or member of the military carrying a gun, and some mundane? There's plenty of statistical evidence that shows a significant bias in regards to the perception of armed people via race. Unsurprisingly, it doesn't favor minorities.

 

[CPUd]

chasing the silver vehicle, speeds up to 100mph

order to observe only, IL State police will pick it up if he crosses state lines.

walgreens is secured.

 

[presence]

Silver vehicle, tinted windows failing to yield, no lights on, just hit a police car.

ouch tough evening in paradise there

 

[specsaregood]

Believe it or not, I want to abolish the State so racist trolls like you can go away and do whatever it is your ilk does, and I can peacefully coexist somewhere far away from you.

Its always seems to be the true racists that go around pointing and screaming calling others racist the loudest.

You don't see the difference between how the public would perceive a black cop or member of the military carrying a gun, and some mundane?

No, I don't. Most of those cops still carry off duy when they look just like some mundane. The point is people see blacks with guns just as much as whites, I think you are using outdated perceptions or just biased yourself.

 

[Antischism]

Tell that to Erik Scott. Or that poor bastard they shot in his doorway in Florida, or Jose Guarena or Nick Christie or Kelly Thomas or on and on...

That is where the disconnect is.

The situations are not different, as far as I'm concerned.

They are, in principle, exactly the same.

And I would love nothing more than to see the exact same "Bundy" response in Ferguson.

That's fine, and you can think of it in principle, but the black "experience" in America is one that finds they're disproportionately targeted and discriminated against. Like I said previously, if you simply don't want to talk about racism for whatever reason, that's fine. But to pretend racism doesn't exist or play a role/impact the life of a person who's "guilty" of having the wrong skin color is dishonest. Your average black person who has seen this first-hand isn't going to think about the "principle," they're going to (correctly) see that there's a long history of abuse on those of color. They're going to (again, correctly) realize that latent and systemic racism has been dealing them an even worse hand. I think it's more productive to address both the racist element AND the overall principle. They're not mutually exclusive.