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defe07

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I suggest you check out www.thegreenpapers.com and look for the "hard total" delegate count. This is what really counts guys, hard total delegates.

Hard Total delegates

McCain 385 :eek:
Huckabee 94
Romney 60
Paul 5
Uncommitted 95
Available 1,741

I hope this post lifts your spirits up, REVOLUTIONaries and www.thegreenpapers.com is the most reliable political website when it comes to delegate totals. :cool:
 
Doesn't help. How about the "realistic total delegate count". As much as we want to beleive otherwise, almost all, if not 100% of the pledged delegates are going to go with the winner of the state's primaries. Especially the 3 head delegates from each state.

There is someting that I think too many people here don't realize. This priamry season is NOT unique. It has happened before whre the candidate with the popular vote did not have the full backing of the GOP. (Or the Democrat party on the other side.) And every time it has happened before, the delegates still go with the popular vote for their state.

Site scan keep trying to come up with newer and newer more broad interpretations of the state rules all they want. But it doesn't change the fact that McCain is going to sail past 1191 on the first ballot.

Why do I say that? To be aparty pooper? Nope. To be a realist. It does no good for anyone trying to come up with impossible (honestly..literally) scenarios to prevent it. The best thing is to move on to spread the message in OTHER ways.

And honestly..there is one person that you definitely respect who feels the same way. That man is Ron Paul.
 
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Doesn't help. How about the "realistic total delegate count". As much as we want to beleive otherwise, almost all, if not 100% of the pledged delegates are going to go with the winner of the state's primaries. Especially the 3 head delegates from each state.

There is someting that I think too many people here don't realize. This priamry season is NOT unique. It has happened before whre the candidate with the popular vote did not have the full backing of the GOP. (Or the Democrat party on the other side.) And every time it has happened before, the delegates still go with the popular vote for their state.

Site scan keep trying to come up with newer and newer more broad interpretations of the state rules all they want. But it doesn't change the fact that McCain is going to sail past 1191 on the first ballot.

Why do I say that? To be aparty pooper? Nope. To be a realist. It does no good for anyone trying to come up with impossible (honestly..literally) scenarios to prevent it. The best thing is to move on to spread the message in OTHER ways.

And honestly..there is one person that you definitely respect who feels the same way. That man is Ron Paul.
I wish you wasn't right, but it is realistic. But no need to give up, the revolution is still strong and will continue.

THE FUTURE is OURS
 
I suggest you check out www.thegreenpapers.com and look for the "hard total" delegate count. This is what really counts guys, hard total delegates.

Hard Total delegates

McCain 385 :eek:
Huckabee 94
Romney 60
Paul 5
Uncommitted 95
Available 1,741

I hope this post lifts your spirits up, REVOLUTIONaries and www.thegreenpapers.com is the most reliable political website when it comes to delegate totals. :cool:


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While I appreciate the notion of "it's not over" and it isn't (but not in the conventional sense), we have fewer delegates than two guys who dropped out.

I don't really see how that's supposed to lift spirits.
 
Doesn't help. How about the "realistic total delegate count". As much as we want to beleive otherwise, almost all, if not 100% of the pledged delegates are going to go with the winner of the state's primaries. Especially the 3 head delegates from each state.

What about a informed citizen population... all raising their voices because they've finally awaken. We have under 6 months to shake and wake...!!!!

50 states.... 50 marches wouldn't hurt.
 
Doesn't help. How about the "realistic total delegate count"...... BLAH BLAH, I'm a TROLL. BLAH - 14 posts dedicated to killing hope. BLAH!

Welcome to the boards. Here, we support freedom of speech & liberty.
Our enemies are welcome, enjoy your stay.
 
Welcome to the boards. Here, we support freedom of speech & liberty.
Our enemies are welcome, enjoy your stay.

Dude. People who have different opinions than you don't belong to a cult of trolls only intent on spreading negativity. Moreover, there's nothing on thegreenpapers.com or elsewhere to suggest McCain won't be the nominee. Even if he died, it wouldn't make Paul the Republican nominee by default!
 
How long will we wait for RP before we carry this to the next level. He has shown us the way now we need to propel this movement forward on our own.
Too many are waiting on leadership, when what we fight for is being told what to, and not to do......
We have the tools, we HAD the people.

The convention will be what it will be.... Will you still fight beyond the election?
If you respect the man then look at what we have done... No baby steps here!
Now, look at what we can do to further the cause.....
 
What the hell is wrong with you people?!

Dude. People who have different opinions than you don't belong to a cult of trolls only intent on spreading negativity. Moreover, there's nothing on thegreenpapers.com or elsewhere to suggest McCain won't be the nominee. Even if he died, it wouldn't make Paul the Republican nominee by default!

I agree.

I've seen several times when GoPaul08 is attacked for being a troll and breeding negativity, when in fact he has NEVER done this in the posts I've read from him.

He, myself, and thousands of others are in this for the "long-term project" (Ron Paul's words).

If the primary point of the Presidential Campaign was to educate and ignite a Revolution, IT HAS SUCCEEDED!!! Why the hell are people so narrow minded as to define victory ONLY as getting Ron Paul elected President? It makes me wonder who the REAL trolls are....

Now, what are we going to do with this success? Will we continue to focus on pipe dream scenarios or will we learn from this process, support Liberty Candidates (Ron Paul asked us to do), build the grassroots movement with leaders in every precinct in the country (Ron Paul asked us to do), spread the message of Freedom (Ron Paul asked us to do), and take over the Republican party from within by joining our local groups (Ron Paul asked us to do)?

Instead these people want to either waste more money trying to convert other candidate's delegates, or try to FORCE Ron Paul to run as a third party or independent when he has made it perfectly clear more than a dozen times that he has no intention of doing so.

For once, will some of you who claim to be supporters actually LISTEN to the man you support?

Why is it so darn black or white with you people? My spirits are already lifted and I didn't need some fantasy scenario to lift them. I see the Movement starting to build an infrastructure that has a real chance of lasting.

I see thousands of people waking up who will never look at the MSM and other candidates the same way again. These are people that are beginning to question their Government and the lies that the media spoon feeds them. THAT is the real victory here.

It has spawned countless other Grassroots projects and dozens of new candidates that are willing to take a stand and run for office to make a difference.
Yet, instead of supporting these other candidates, some of you have a gambling addiction. You keep looking at impossible odds and hope that the next pull of the slot machine, or the next lottery ticket will solve all of your problems.

Ron Paul worried about this. He worried that people would define the success of this campaign as him becoming the nominee. He has tried to club you over the friggin head and slap some sense into you that THIS IS BIGGER THAN ONE MAN.

Other people claim that this is "giving up" or they say "well what else should we do?"

WHAT?!!!

Anyone who doesn't know what else they can do or actually thinks that not supporting this unrealistic scenario is giving up, I can only conclude that they really ARE a troll (and I hate defining people as such) because NO ONE who reads these forums could possibly be sitting there thinking "what else could I do". There are quite literally thousands of posts on the subject, not to mention Ron Paul's own videos.
 
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How long will we wait for RP before we carry this to the next level. He has shown us the way now we need to propel this movement forward on our own.
Too many are waiting on leadership, when what we fight for is being told what to, and not to do......
We have the tools, we HAD the people.

The convention will be what it will be.... Will you still fight beyond the election?
If you respect the man then look at what we have done... No baby steps here!
Now, look at what we can do to further the cause.....

QFT
+1000
 
Your use of multiple sizes and colours assaults my eyes, but otherwise: Yeah, absolutely :) !
 
Your use of multiple sizes and colours assaults my eyes, but otherwise: Yeah, absolutely :) !

sorry, most people don't read longer posts so I have to emphasize certain points... another ***bashing people over the head until they finally get it*** trick. :D

i toned down the color. haha
 
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Your use of multiple sizes and colours assaults my eyes, but otherwise: Yeah, absolutely :) !

I like my music softly... sometimes I like it rather loudly...

Check out the symphony "The Planets" by Holst, amazing the range of dynamics.

About a month ago I found out about the features here to make my words big, colorful, and to go all slanted like. I restrain and only use the "italics" when I've been hit'n the sauce.

ANY ONE FOR A PIG ROAST AND SOME BEER ?
 
Dude. People who have different opinions than you don't belong to a cult of trolls only intent on spreading negativity. Moreover, there's nothing on thegreenpapers.com or elsewhere to suggest McCain won't be the nominee. Even if he died, it wouldn't make Paul the Republican nominee by default!

Dude. Obviously they don't. But when 100% of their posts and 100% of their INTENT is too shoot down the good vibes, and 100% PRO NEGATIVITY.

I say, SHUT THE F--K UP or GET THE F--K OUT OF THE WAY. Because its ftl.

You want some realism?

- You are going to die someday.

- Think about it.
 
Ok, I just read every post he's made here.

I think he's shown a high degree of intelligence, articulates his points well and has a healthy realistic attitude :) .
 
You want some realism?

- You are going to die someday.

- Think about it.

i am now picturing the 'realists' grabing the yellowpages and ordering their coffins...:D

Oh, actually i prefer to call them pessimists/skeptics. They have allowed their so called sense of reality to be completely screwed by the mass media. They rather believe in MSM than the delegates themselves. :rolleyes:
 
So lets see. People are trying to become delagets. And doing so in trying to win the nomination. How is this a bad thing? If you want to go off of Ron Paul himself, hasn't he said multiple times that he wants as many delagets as possible? So now your telling people to move on from the nomination? That doesn't make sense. Delagets do a lot more then just elect the presidential canidate. They create the platform.

Oh but that is a waste of time? But that is what Ron Paul said himself!

Yes, the chance of him becoming the nomination is SLIM TO NONE. I know that, I think most people know that. But seeing that there might be a chance, that is uplifting, you know why? Because we want someone we can vote for in this election, not next election, not the election after that. We want our voice heard. And since the VERY beginning his chances of winning has been SLIM to NONE, so has the entire election been a waste? Of course not.

And I would like to comment on people pushing him to run independent. I don't know about you, but I don't agree with everything Ron Paul believes in, and I definitely don't completely agree in everything the Republican platform is. So to me, "taking over" the republican party, isn't the best goal in my opinion. I think by making the revolution about the republican party it is alienating a lot of Ron Paul supporters. You have to remember, we have democrats that are part of this revolution. They don't have the same views for the government at the STATE level. Yes the State level governments can do what they want, they can be socialist and still follow the constitution. So in this regard, making the revolution 100% about the republican party, I disagree with. It is one thing that I disagree with the "MAN" about. But thats okay, that is what makes our country great. Sure taking over the republican party is a good goal, but i think there are better ones, including running for presidency.

Winning the presidency isn't the only way to win. If Ron Paul ran as an Independent, and got 10% of the vote, who knows it is a lot but he could possibly get it I mean if he was up against McCain and Hilary, that would lay grounds for the possibility of a 3rd party/Independent run WINNING. The idea that only the 2 party system can win the general election is what makes our election process horrible. But a good showing a few elections in a row can change that. You don't have to win, just have to get a decent percent.
 
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