Federal judge tosses out Montana's firearms freedom act lawsuit

[puppetmaster]

lol...lets see if Montana cares what the feds say.....btw, I will support Montana if they choose wisely!

 

[Matt Collins]

Let me clarify... the initiation of the use of force (coercion) is never a good thing.

 

[Philhelm]

Let me clarify... the initiation of the use of force (coercion) is never a good thing.

The only initiation, or the threat of initiation, of force is from the national government.

 

[fj45lvr]

Let me clarify... the initiation of the use of force (coercion) is never a good thing.

I'd say we would all agree that Montana in defiance of whatever some federal judge says should go ahead with what they determine for themselves as this is not a federal issue.

If the Feds decide to swoop in and try to "arrest" scores of people what do you think is reasonable to deal with that scenario?

You have to know that the feds are going to AMBUSH of course. Hopefully, they don't fly in and out with "black helicopters" so that the sheriff and his posse could "cut em off" on the ground before crossing out of Montana.

 

[DamianTV]

This needs to go to the Supreme Court, and Montana needs to win.

 

[jazzloversinc]

I thought the idea of nullifiction was to ignore non constitutional laws that over reach to the states. That will have to be upheld by the governor, state legislatures, state attorneys and sheriffs. Why even bother with the stupid courts? Just do not inforce the bad laws.

 

[erowe1]

I thought the idea of nullifiction was to ignore non constitutional laws that over reach to the states. That will have to be upheld by the governor, state legislatures, state attorneys and sheriffs. Why even bother with the stupid courts? Just do not inforce the bad laws.

Yeah, that is the point. The problem is, you have different enforcement entities, some with the state, and others, like the BATF with the federal government. What we have here is those federal law enforcement officers disregarding the state's attempt to nullify the federal law and continuing to enforce it. If it weren't for that, then the state law enforcement would do just what you said. But with the feds imposing themselves this way, the state can't stop them just by ignoring them. The state has to do something active to stop them, or else the de facto result will be the state law being overturned by the feds.

 

[Pericles]

Yeah, that is the point. The problem is, you have different enforcement entities, some with the state, and others, like the BATF with the federal government. What we have here is those federal law enforcement officers disregarding the state's attempt to nullify the federal law and continuing to enforce it. If it weren't for that, then the state law enforcement would do just what you said. But with the feds imposing themselves this way, the state can't stop them just by ignoring them. The state has to do something active to stop them, or else the de facto result will be the state law being overturned by the feds.

It is difficult to ignore people with automatic weapons.

 

[erowe1]

It is difficult to ignore people with automatic weapons.

I assume the people with automatic weapons you mean are the BATF.

In which case, difficult for whom? Difficult for the gun shop owners who are getting arrested by them? Or difficult for the state law enforcement?

I'd say it's very difficult for the poor gun shop owners whom they're arresting to ignore them. But that's not the point.

The point is that it's very easy for the state and the state law enforcement to ignore them, by simply staying out of their way. In fact, that's the easiest and most likely thing for them to do here. That's what California did when the DEA shut down their marijuana dispensaries, and it's what usually happens. If that's what happens here, then, as I said, it will be a de facto overturning of the Montana law.

So the state doing nothing, and simply not enforcing the unconstitutional federal law, while the feds are still enforcing it, is not a solution.

 

[Stary Hickory]

Really Federal judges are a joke. And it's really time we just stopped caring what they said in general. They are the federal government and they will always side with their masters in DC.