Federal Ban On GMO Labeling?

I guess if you repeat something over and over you believe it, eh? Again it doesn't make YOU correct. Remember they put it in flu vaccines and you told us it is there as a stabilizer not a meat tenderizer. :rolleyes:

Not sure why you're thinking they need a meat tenderizer in vaccines but the reason I said that is because it is true. Duh. And I also gave you several links to prove it. But it was 8th grade science, so you probably did not understand it.

MSG - Mono (single) Sodium (salt) Glutamate (Amino Acid). Look around the internet - you will find that sodium is used to stabilize lots of different things.


Oh yes, glutamate acid occurs naturally in mushrooms, tomatoes, seaweed, etc... and the funny thing is it has no effect on me. Now the MSG made in a lab most certainly does ....

It's all in your head, dear. That "evil chemical lab" you're envisioning is actually just a process that also makes beer, wine and yogurt. It's called fermentation.

Chemically, there is no difference between those sodium molecules that separated in fermentation and those that broke free all on their own in other naturally occurring chemical reactions.
 
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Labels meet all four elements of a contract.
  • Offer
  • Acceptance
  • Intention of legal consequences
  • Consideration

And it is enforceable in a court of law.


Mandating labeling isn't a contract, it's a mandate. Accepting to terms under duress isn't the same as agreeing to them.
 
Mandating labeling isn't a contract, it's a mandate. Accepting to terms under duress isn't the same as agreeing to them.

Right. Mandating labeling is not a contract. It is a proper role of government so that determination can be made by a judge if the seller of a product is cheating the consumer. That is what contracts are all about. If a product is labeled as 16 ounces and the actual contents are only 15 ounces, then the consumer is being cheated and the matter can be taken to a court of law. Labels are contracts folks.
 
Right. Mandating labeling is not a contract. It is a proper role of government so that determination can be made by a judge if the seller of a product is cheating the consumer. That is what contracts are all about. If a product is labeled as 16 ounces and the actual contents are only 15 ounces, then the consumer is being cheated and the matter can be taken to a court of law. Labels are contracts folks.

Weights are different than requiring a list of contents. Now if I said my apple juice had apples in it and didin't, that would be cheating. If I don't say if I am using GMO and I am are you being cheated? I made no promise either way that it was or wasn't there. If I say I am not using GMO and I am, that is cheating. If I don't claim my juice was made from apples, I am not cheating you if say I just said "fruit juice". Should I have to tell you each and every fruit in my fruit juice?
 
Weights are different than requiring a list of contents. Now if I said my apple juice had apples in it and didin't, that would be cheating. If I don't say if I am using GMO and I am are you being cheated? I made no promise either way that it was or wasn't there. If I say I am not using GMO and I am, that is cheating. If I don't claim my juice was made from apples, I am not cheating you if say I just said "fruit juice". Should I have to tell you each and every fruit in my fruit juice?
Some people have allergies to things like fruits and nuts. What are they supposed to do? Take chances every time?

I think it still comes to a question of false advertising. If you claim it has something but it doesn't, or provide a list of ingredients but omit something that it does contain, then it's false advertising.
 
People are allergic to lots of thing. Some may be allergic to certain types of perfume. Should people wear tags saying what perfume they are wearing so others can avoid them?

We do seem to be indicating that businesses should not be completely free to do whatever they want to. Or that they should but must tell us what they are doing or not doing and print that on a label.

Then we are down to how much information should be included. If we don't like child labor should the label include information about where they sourced their inputs for example? The list of info some people may want can potentially become huge.
 
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Weights are different than requiring a list of contents. Now if I said my apple juice had apples in it and didin't, that would be cheating. If I don't say if I am using GMO and I am are you being cheated? I made no promise either way that it was or wasn't there. If I say I am not using GMO and I am, that is cheating. If I don't claim my juice was made from apples, I am not cheating you if say I just said "fruit juice". Should I have to tell you each and every fruit in my fruit juice?
Perhaps so. If it turns out that GMO is killing me or making me sick because the organisms are unnatural, then I have been harmed not just cheated. I have the right to not be harmed by your product with full disclosure. If you are not correctly labeling your product, then that is fraud.

People are allergic to lots of thing. Some may be allergic to certain types of perfume. Should people wear tags saying what perfume they are wearing so others can avoid them?

We do seem to be indicating that businesses should not be completely free to do whatever they want to. Or that they should but must tell us what they are doing or not doing and print that on a label.

Then we are down to how much information should be included. If we don't like child labor should the label include information about where they sourced their inputs for example? The list of info some people may want can potentially become huge.
I don't have to stay around anyone. If someone is wearing a perfume that I am allergic to, then I can leave. No harm no foul. Someone using child labor to produce their products does not harm me. No harm no foul. Mislabeling your products which cause me harm is a foul. It is fraud.
 
Not sure why you're thinking they need a meat tenderizer in vaccines but the reason I said that is because it is true. Duh. And I also gave you several links to prove it. But it was 8th grade science, so you probably did not understand it.

MSG - Mono (single) Sodium (salt) Glutamate (Amino Acid). Look around the internet - you will find that sodium is used to stabilize lots of different things.




It's all in your head, dear. That "evil chemical lab" you're envisioning is actually just a process that also makes beer, wine and yogurt. It's called fermentation.

Chemically, there is no difference between those sodium molecules that separated in fermentation and those that broke free all on their own in other naturally occurring chemical reactions.


MSG is a synthetic form of glutamic acid which our tastebuds just love. MSG works on your glutamate receptors. It overstimulates the neurotransmitters to the point of cell damage and/or death.

The following E numbers : 620 625 621 627 622 631 623 635 624 are MSG.

Instead of using different names, they use numbers for MSG (usually in pharmaceuticals). Why do you suppose they hide it if it does no harm? Why not just be truthful and label the goddamn stuff? You should be able to tell us because you passed 8th grade science, right?

What is MSG?

MSG is glutamic acid that has been produced outside of the human (or animal) body. But when glutamic acid is produced or created in this way (outside of the human body), it differs significantly from the glutamic acid found in unadulterated, unprocessed, unfermented protein or released from unadulterated, unprocessed, unfermented protein during digestion. Glutamic acid found normally in the human body (and in all higher organisms) is glutamic acid in the L form, i.e., L-glutamic acid. Glutamic acid that is produced outside of the human body is made up of L-glutamic acid and an array of unwanted by-products often referred to as impurities. L-glutamic acid produced outside of the human body is always accompanied by impurities such as D-glutamic acid and pyroglutamic acid; and when L-glutamic acid is produced by way of acid hydrolysis, carcinogenic mono and dichloro propanols inevitably accompany it.

All manufactured free amino acids are accompanied by impurities. The fact that glutamate produced outside of the human body is categorized as food grade or pharmaceutical grade (99% pure) attests to the fact that impurities always accompany amino acids produced outside the body.

MSG fed to the very young has been shown to cause brain damage and subsequent learning, behavior, and endocrine disorders such as reproductive disorders and gross obesity. Ingestion of MSG by people of all ages will cause adverse reactions when people ingest amounts that exceed their individual tolerance levels. Eating protein (which will contain bound glutamic acid that is L-glutamic acid, only) does not cause either brain damage or adverse reactions.

http://www.truthinlabeling.org/III.What is MSG.html
 
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Trust USDA Organic...nah, I don't think so.

Monsanto Is Going Organic in a Quest for the Perfect Veggie

In a windowless basement room decorated with photographs of farmers clutching freshly harvested vegetables, three polo-shirt-and-slacks-clad Monsanto execu*tives, all men, wait for a special lunch. A server arrives and sets in front of each a caprese-like salad—tomatoes, mozzarella, basil, lettuce—and one of the execs, David Stark, rolls his desk chair forward, raises a fork dramatically, and skewers a leaf. He takes a big, showy bite. The other two men, Robb Fraley and Kenny Avery, also tuck in. The room fills with loud, intent, wet chewing sounds.

Eventually, Stark looks up. “Nice crisp texture, which people like, and a pretty good taste,” he says.

“It’s probably better than what I get out of Schnucks,” Fraley responds. He’s talking about a grocery chain local to St. Louis, where Monsanto is headquartered. Avery seems happy; he just keeps eating.

The men poke, prod, and chew the next course with even more vigor: salmon with a relish of red, yellow, and orange bell pepper and a side of broccoli. “The lettuce is my favorite,” Stark says afterward. Fraley concludes that the pepper “changes the game if you think about fresh produce.”

Changing the agricultural game is what Monsanto does. The company whose name is synonymous with Big Ag has revolutionized the way we grow food—for better or worse. Activists revile it for such mustache-twirling practices as suing farmers who regrow licensed seeds or filling the world with Roundup-resistant super*weeds. Then there’s Monsanto’s reputation—scorned by some, celebrated by others—as the foremost purveyor of genetically modified commodity crops like corn and soybeans with DNA edited in from elsewhere, designed to have qualities nature didn’t quite think of.

Continued...

H/T: NC
 
All manufactured free amino acids are accompanied by impurities. The fact that glutamate produced outside of the human body is categorized as food grade or pharmaceutical grade (99% pure) attests to the fact that impurities always accompany amino acids produced outside the body.

Everything has impurities. Gold. Water. Air. Himalayan sea salt (which is only about 97% pure). 99% is pretty darn pure. Impurities exit with amino acids in the body too.

What Is MSG Made Of?
Last Updated: Aug 01, 2011 | By Jessica Jacobs
Monosodium glutamate, also known as MSG or sodium glutamate, is a sodium salt of the non-essential amino acid glutamic acid. MSG occurs naturally in many foods and scientists originally extracted this sodium salt from seaweed. In manufactured food products, you will typically find MSG labeled as yeast extract, hydrolyzed vegetable protein, HVP, or autolyzed protein. Manufacturers commonly use MSG as a flavor enhancer and as a preservative.

Production of MSG
Manufacturers obtain MSG through a process involving fermentation of carbohydrates with a nitrogen source. For this to happen, manufacturers use certain species of bacteria or yeast such as microbacterium, brevibacterium, corynebacterium, arthrobacter and micrococcus. Originally, manufactures prepared MSG from wheat gluten that has approximately 25 percent glutamic acid. Then, manufacturers started preparing MSG from acrylonitrile and today, fermentation is the method of choice for manufacturing MSG.

Glutamic Acid
According to "Harrison's Principles of Internal Medicine," glutamic acid can help nerve cells send and receive information from other cells. Additionally, glutamic acid can decrease or prevent nerve damage caused by anticancer drugs. Further glutamic acid plays a critical role in learning and memory processes. One of the major byproducts of glutamic acid is glutathione, the major antioxidant in your body. Glutamic acid is also the building block of γ-aminobutyric acid, a major neurotransmitter in your nervous system.

Take wheat. Add yeast, water, and a probiotic. Ferment. Add salt and water. Result- could be beer or bread, but in this case it is MSG. Beer would't add the salt and would use hops instead. If that is synthetic, then so are all of your breads and cheeses among other foods.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/507350-what-is-msg-made-of/
 
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The following E numbers : 620 625 621 627 622 631 623 635 624 are MSG.

Instead of using different names, they use numbers for MSG (usually in pharmaceuticals). Why do you suppose they hide it if it does no harm? Why not just be truthful and label the goddamn stuff? You should be able to tell us because you passed 8th grade science, right?

This is one of the more absurd things you've said. E numbers were created to have a single, unified list of all accepted food additives across all of Europe. E numbers are used for ease of labelling, considering the European Union has 24 official languages and over a dozen other minority languages with various degrees of legal recognition across the 28 member states (plus Switzerland, Norway, Iceland, Israel, New Zealand and other countries that also use the E numbers).

There are E numbers of all kinds of substances, from MSG as you point out to things such as Vitamin B2 (E101) to saltpetre (E252) to antibiotics such as penicillin (E705-E708).

Even curcumin which you started a thread exhorting it's supposed cancer fighting properties has an E number!!

Curcumin causes colon cancer cells to self-destruct
Thread started 11-27-2013 11:58 AM by donnay

Curcumin
Curcumin is brightly yellow colored and may be used as a food coloring. As a food additive, its E number is E100.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curcumin
 
MSG is a synthetic form of glutamic acid which our tastebuds just love. MSG works on your glutamate receptors. It overstimulates the neurotransmitters to the point of cell damage and/or death.

The following E numbers : 620 625 621 627 622 631 623 635 624 are MSG.

Instead of using different names, they use numbers for MSG (usually in pharmaceuticals). Why do you suppose they hide it if it does no harm? Why not just be truthful and label the goddamn stuff? You should be able to tell us because you passed 8th grade science, right?

The numbers are from the European Union for food additives. Having a number doesn't mean it isn't "natural".
http://www.food.gov.uk/policy-advice/additivesbranch/enumberlist

A few of them:
E100- Curcumin (Tumeric)
E123- Amaranth (an ancient grain)
E150a Caramel
E160- Caroteens (like from carrots)
E162- Beetroot Red
E174- Silver
E175- Gold
 
Beware -- "Organic" Doesn't mean "no MSG" --

Report from 2006

"Autolyzed yeast" and "natural flavoring" in organic products contain just as much processed (manufactured) free glutamic acid (MSG) as conventional products. Carrageenan in organic products causes adverse reactions just as non-organic carrageenan does.

A BIT OF HISTORY

In1990, a National Organic Program, to be run by the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA), was created by Congress.

Following outcries from 275,603 professionals and consumers concerned about the integrity of organic food, the USDA's initial proposed National Organic Standards, circulated in December, 1997, were withdrawn.

On March 13, 2000, the USDA proposed improved, but still unacceptable, National Organic Standards (the Proposed Rule). Under the law and the Proposed Rule, there was to be a National Organic Standards Board (NOSB) whose function it would be to make recommendations to the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) on substances to be placed on the National List of Allowed and Prohibited Substances. Members of the NOSB were to be nominated by legislators and approved by the USDA. The NOSB would make recommendations, but final decisions pertaining to the National Organic Program, including decisions about which substances would and would not be included in the National List, were to rest with the Secretary of Agriculture, i.e., with the USDA.

In making their recommendations to the USDA, the NOSB was to consider Technical Advisory Panel (TAP) reviews and input from public meetings as well as its own expertise. TAP reviews were to be a required step for making changes to the National List; and the USDA was to award TAP review contracts only to independent, reputable organizations with expertise in relevant areas. At the time the Proposed Rule was being promulgated, TAP reviews were being provided to the NOSB by the Organic Materials Review Institute (OMRI) under contract to the USDA.

In the late 1990s, when the Truth in Labeling Campaign became aware that there was to be a National Organic Program run by the USDA, we were fearful that placing a national organic program with the USDA would almost certainly undermine the integrity of the organic industry. Our deep seated concern stemmed from our growing understanding of the tremendous pro-big business, consumer-be-dammed influences exerted over Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and USDA staffs by the food and drug industries; and our growing understanding of FDA and USDA infrastructures that enabled revolving door policies whereby industry personnel rotated in and out of the FDA and USDA, and/or FDA and USDA employees took lucrative jobs in the food and/or drug industries after retiring from the FDA or USDA. (We would later learn that those same influences affected decisions made by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)).

On August 8, 1997, Auxein Corporation made application to the EPA for registration of its pesticide product AuxiGro WP Metabolic Primer (AuxiGro) containing the active ingredients GABA (gamma aminobutyric acid) at 29.2 percent and processed free glutamic acid (MSG) (identified in the application as "glutamic acid" ) at 36.5 percent. Federal Register notices chronicling the application and approval of processed free glutamic acid (MSG) and AuxiGro are available on the Web via GPO Access, the Federal Register, through: http://www.gpoaccess.gov/fr/index.html. Testing of AuxiGro was also approved in that year, and many of the test crops sprayed with AuxiGro were brought to market without giving notice to consumers.

On January, 7 1998, the EPA granted processed free glutamic acid (MSG) (identified as "glutamic acid") an exemption from establishment of a tolerance limit--meaning that there would be no limit to the amount of MSG residue from AuxiGro that could remain in or on a fruit, seed, grain, leaf, or vegetable when brought to market. In that same month, AuxiGro was approved for use on a number of crops. Approval for use on all other crops came later. These approvals were not announced in the Federal Register.

On September 25, 1998, the name first used for MSG by Auxein Corporation ("glutamic acid") was changed to "L-glutamic acid."

Understanding how Ajinomoto Co., Inc., (the world's largest producer of the flavor enhancer known as "monosodium glutamate" and a leading manufacturer of free amino acids) operates (l-manuscript.html), it occurred to us that Auxein might approach the organic community for organic certification. Might approach? Ha! By the time we became aware that the EPA had approved processed free glutamic acid (MSG) for use on crops, and had also approved the "growth enhancer" called AuxiGro, Auxein Corporation had approached OMRI to recommend AuxiGro for organic certification. At the same time, we were told that OMRI had approval of AuxiGro virtually assured. The appropriateness of technical advice given to the NOSB and the USDA by OMRI had gone virtually unchallenged.

At the time, OMRI published and disseminated generic and specific (brand name) lists of materials rated by OMRI as being allowed for use in the production, processing, and handling of organic food and fiber. Much of the organic industry looked to OMRI for interpretation of research pertaining to the safety and/or appropriateness of products for organic use. If a product was added to an OMRI list of materials rated by OMRI as being allowed for use in the production, processing, and handling of organic food and fiber, the producer was charged both an initial charge and a yearly fee for maintaining their product on OMRI's list. So if OMRI was able to convince the organic community to approve MSG and AuxiGro for use in organics, OMRI would receive both an initial fee and a yearly fee from Auxein. Thus, OMRI's income was dependent, at least in part, on the number of products it successfully recommended be allowed to use the label "organic." From 1999 to 2002, OMRI was pushing to add AuxiGro to its list of allowed substance, and to have the National Organic Program add processed free glutamic acid (MSG) and AuxiGro to the list of allowed substances on the National List.

So there it was. Our fears had become reality. The USDA was operating as we had seen it work in the past: doing the bidding of big business or looking the other way while its contractors or others did the bidding of big business. We had seen it written that the USDA would award TAP review contracts only to independent, reputable organizations with expertise in relevant areas. In actuality, the USDA had awarded a TAP contract to an organization that was going to profit from every product it convinced the National Organic Program to add to its list of acceptable materials. The same OMRI that Auxein Corporation was paying to get MSG and AuxiGro approved for organic use had a contract with the USDA to tell the USDA what products they should approve. Clearly, the USDA did not (and does not today) understand the concept of "conflict of interest." In fact, when asked later about the credentials that TAP reporters must have, the USDA mentioned "demonstrable expertise in organic production and handling or scientific disciplines such as veterinary medicine, ...or toxicology." The USDA did not list freedom from conflicts of interest among its list of necessary credentials.

It would appear that the organic community had not been aware of what was going on in this arena, just as they had not been aware that autolyzed yeast was not appropriate for use in or with products certified organic. When the Truth in Labeling Campaign alerted the organic community to the fact that the "L-glutamic acid" in AuxiGro is a synthetic product, and that it is identical to the processed free glutamic acid (MSG) found in the food additive called "monosodium glutamate," the approval process for "L-glutamic acid" and AuxiGro ceased to move forward. It must be noted, however, that OMRI's Technical Director, Dr. Brian Baker, who was spearheading OMRI's representation of both "L-glutamic acid" and AuxiGro as being suitable for use with organic products, did not recommend denying their organic certification. OMRI simply tabled its application to the National Organic Program. Several years later, OMRI withdrew its application. According to information coming from OMRI in 2006, "While the product name [AuxiGro] was at one time considered for inclusion in our list, the organization did not complete the decision to list the product. In 2002, the company voluntarily removed the product from consideration because the new National Organic Program Rule would have clearly prohibited it."

As this was first written (June, 2006) OMRI was no longer listed among the USDA's TAP reviewers. We have not, however, seen a statement from the National Organic Program stating that they would reject TAP review applicants because of conflicts of interest. Neither is the list of allowed substances on the National List free of MSG-containing ingredients. Allowed ingredients that are known to cause MSG reactions in MSG-sensitive people, which are made with synthetic chemicals, include Autolyzed Yeast, Brewers Yeast, Nutritional Yeast, and Carrageenan.

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The numbers are from the European Union for food additives. Having a number doesn't mean it isn't "natural".
http://www.food.gov.uk/policy-advice/additivesbranch/enumberlist

A few of them:
E100- Curcumin (Tumeric)
E123- Amaranth (an ancient grain)
E150a Caramel
E160- Caroteens (like from carrots)
E162- Beetroot Red
E174- Silver
E175- Gold

FLAVOUR ENHANCERS
http://www.mbm.net.au/health/620-640.htm


More info:
http://www.calderdale-online.org/health/food_additives.html
http://foodwatch.com.au/blog/additi...s-most-likely-to-cause-adverse-reactions.html
http://www.vegechips.com/nasty-additives-listed
http://www.food-info.net/uk/intol/msg.htm
http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=94CBAD53F38030A8095AFE93EDD5F07D
 
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How is that a reply to what Zippy and I said with regards to E numbers?

You're trying to make them out to be some evil conspiracy, when really they're not.


LOOK IT UP> The numbers I gave are in fact MSG.
 
LOOK IT UP> The numbers I gave are in fact MSG.

Actually only ONE of the nine numbers you listed is MSG. E622. Yes- look it up.

(watch out for E948- highly toxic!)



(by the way, E948 is Oxygen!)
 
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No one denied that...

It is used in the US as well. Not only in Europe and outside the US.

Food Additives - E - NUMBERS

Food Codes

Guide to food additives - E-Numbers

What they are and what they do. Additives without the E-Prefix

It is extremely wise to avoid eating food with harmful food additives - E Numbers in them. Not all E Numbers are bad for you. The following list is based on information from the Ministries of Health of the United States, France, UK, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Russia & Italy.

http://curezone.org/foods/enumbers.asp
 
Right. Mandating labeling is not a contract. It is a proper role of government so that determination can be made by a judge if the seller of a product is cheating the consumer. That is what contracts are all about. If a product is labeled as 16 ounces and the actual contents are only 15 ounces, then the consumer is being cheated and the matter can be taken to a court of law. Labels are contracts folks.

That's such a reach you should be embarrassed for even trying. I am assuming we can add "Law school" to the list of places you have never visited.

Contracts are entered into between two willing parties. In instance, the government is not a willing party, and the people who are bound to adhere to their rules are not always willing participants either.

More liberaly brainwashed bullshit. "It's the proper role of government! It's part of the social contract!"
 
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