FBI 'raided' Mar-a-Lago

[TheTexan]

Let's not talk about the decision not to prosecute Hillary like it was made by some anonymous powers that be.

That decision was made by Trump.

If he had tried to do so, the FBI would have refused to carry out the order, with multiple resignations if he insisted, followed immediately by an impeachment trial that would have had the support of both parties.

Should he have done so anyway? Perhaps - there is a case to be made. But his Presidency would have been shorter than even William Henry Harrison.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

To date, Hillary is the Greatest Female President that didn't get elected.

 

[TheTexan]

To date, Hillary is the Greatest Female President that didn't get elected.

Dodged a bullet with that one.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

Dodged a bullet with that one.

Who is a better POTUS Biden or HRC?

 

[TheTexan]

Who is a better POTUS Biden or HRC?

Biden just does what his masters tell him to do.

HRC had "ambition".

 

[Invisible Man]

If he had tried to do so, the FBI would have refused to carry out the order, with multiple resignations if he insisted, followed immediately by an impeachment trial that would have had the support of both parties.

Should he have done so anyway? Perhaps - there is a case to be made. But his Presidency would have been shorter than even William Henry Harrison.

I don't know if any of that is the case. But whether that be his reason for reneging on his campaign promise or something else was, he should have thought of it before making the promise.

 

[TheTexan]

I don't know if any of that is the case. But whether that be his reason for reneging on his campaign promise or something else was, he should have thought of it before making the promise.

Fair point

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

Too bad I don't have a nickel for every broken campaign promise.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Now we have a mumbling dotard in the WH who, in spite of frailty of mind and body, is proving more capable than Trump was of overseeing an administration that will do to Trump what he was too chicken to do to Hillary

Biden just does what his masters tell him to do.

I doubt Biden's handlers would allow him to oversee so much as the flower arrangements in the Rose Garden. let alone taking down a former President.

 

[Snowball]

We're never going to know the truth about this.

And of course Trump is not going to tell us, either, unless he gets a second term, then he might cough up some info.

We never got to find out what he was planning in a second term. That was made sure of.

 

[Sonny Tufts]

He did document it. He took the documents to his house.

No, he took documents that didn't belong to him and didn't give some of them them up after being supoenaed. That sounds like theft, not declassification.

Incidentally, the warrant covered unclassified material ("Any governmental and/or Presidential Records created between January 20, 2017 and January 20, 2021") as well as classified material.

 

[acptulsa]

He did document it. He took the documents to his house.

Uh, you know, that isn't exactly what that word means...

 

[TheTexan]

If he did in fact declassify the docs, we could presumably get them though FOIA. I've always wondered what nuclear codes look like. It's probably like "super potato smash pumpkin alpha 3"

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Has anyone seen any evidence that Trump declassified any of the records that were taken in the execution of the warrant?

A president - ANY president - can declassify any document at any time, without permission from anyone, QED. Do you think that a president needs permission to declassify a document? From whom? And upon what basis should he receive such "permission"? He may request advice, but ultimately, the decision to declassify documents is his, and his alone.

It's my understanding that Trump was subpoenaed last spring and some records were turned over to the National Archives. In June a Trump attorney told the DOJ that there were no more classified documents at Mar-a-Lago.

This is false - Trump was advised in the spring that the documents in which he was of possession should be secured, and certain elements of the DOJ/FBI advised him as to how he should secure said documents. It is not in the least bit circumspect that an outgoing executive should carry with him some/many documents relevant to his administration, and that the possession of which would be coordinated with the relevant executive bureaucracies, which very much seems to be the circumstances in this case.

I assume that subsequently the FBI or DOJ received information that this wasn't the case and that there were additional classified documents at the residence, thus prompting the search warrant.

Well, I'm sorry. But you know what they say about "assume"...

OK, you don't like "ultra high security". How about TS/SCI, which stands for Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information?

Irrelevant. See above.

Please keep in mind that, based on my posting record here at RPF's, I am no ardent supporter of Trump. Feel free to search my posting history. I'm merely observing facts as I see them. I suggest you do the same, for the sake of your own integrity.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Simple answer is because Trump had hard copies.

"Simple" is damned right. Digital is FAR worse that hard copies.

How can you even make that argument? I expected better.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

I'm a good enough lawyer to understand that when you declassify something you should document that decision in writing. That way nobody has to rely only on the word of someone with very little credibility, such as Trump.

I'd like to see the CFR reference which codifies this requirement.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Trump kept the documents at his home for 18 months.

And not only was it known to DOJ/FBI, but they advised him as to how to keep said documents secured.

 

[vita3]

Anybody else in awe of how much folks argue or even opine on things they know absolutely nothing about?

Never mind that quip. Carry on with certainty

 

[A Son of Liberty]

No, he took documents that didn't belong to him and didn't give some of them them up after being supoenaed. That sounds like theft, not declassification.

Incidentally, the warrant covered unclassified material ("Any governmental and/or Presidential Records created between January 20, 2017 and January 20, 2021") as well as classified material.

You're saying the quiet part out loud - this was clearly, unequivocally, a fishing expedition. ANY DOCUMENT between the beginning and end of his presidency?? That's as vague of a warrant as you can get, particularly for a former president and prospective challenger to the current regime.

Can you not just be honest about this?

 

[Invisible Man]

I doubt Biden's handlers would allow him to oversee so much as the flower arrangements in the Rose Garden. let alone taking down a former President.

Apparently the same applied to Trump.