FBI 'raided' Mar-a-Lago

[Occam's Banana]

Apparently the same applied to Trump.

I disagree. I'm inclined to give Trump himself much more of the "credit" for his being such a disappointment.

As for Biden, I'm not entirely confident he is even always aware that he is the President.

 

[Sonny Tufts]

I'd like to see the CFR reference which codifies this requirement.

I never said it was legally required. It's just smart to put it in writing so that there's no misunderstanding that declassification has in fact occurred.

EDIT: See below for a statutory requirement (44 USC §2203).

 

[Sonny Tufts]

ANY DOCUMENT between the beginning and end of his presidency?? That's as vague of a warrant as you can get, particularly for a former president and prospective challenger to the current regime.

Can you not just be honest about this?

There's an entire statute dealing with presidential records -- the Presidential Records Act of 1978, which defines "Presidential records" as:

The term “Presidential records” means documentary materials, or any reasonably seg*regable portion thereof, created or received by the President, the President’s immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise or assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term—

(A)includes any documentary materials relating to the political activities of the President or members of the President’s staff, but only if such activities relate to or have a direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; but

(B)does not include any documentary materials that are (i) official records of an agency (as defined in section 552(e) [1] of title 5, United States Code); (ii) personal records; (iii) stocks of publications and stationery; or (iv) extra copies of documents produced only for convenience of reference, when such copies are clearly so identified.
44 USC §2201(2)

"Personal records" is defined as:

The term “personal records” means all documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion therof,[2] of a purely private or nonpublic character which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term includes—

(A)diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business;

(B)materials relating to private political associations, and having no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; and

(C)materials relating exclusively to the President’s own election to the office of the Presidency; and materials directly relating to the election of a particular individual or individuals to Federal, State, or local office, which have no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. 44 USC §2201(3)

The Act further provides, "The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter." 44 USC §2202

Here's an interesting tidbit from §2203:

(a)Through the implementation of records management controls and other necessary actions, the President shall take all such steps as may be necessary to assure that the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of the President’s constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties are adequately documented and that such records are preserved and maintained as Presidential records pursuant to the requirements of this section and other provisions of law.

"Adequately documented" -- gee, ya think that just might be referring to putting it in writing?

 

[Invisible Man]

I'd like to see the CFR reference which codifies this requirement.

Here you go.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.go...rder-classified-national-security-information

Declassifying documents involves a lot more than just somebody who has the authority to declassify them deciding to treat them like they're not classified anymore without telling anyone they're going to do that.

Unless Trump himself ever overrode this executive order. I'm pretty sure he didn't, or that fact would be an important aspect of this story. And if he chose not to, then that's on him.

 

[69360]

"Simple" is damned right. Digital is FAR worse that hard copies.

How can you even make that argument? I expected better.

You misunderstand. Hard copies is easier to find and prove.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Good grief, three pages of arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

This is a politically motivated "hit".

If there is nothing at all to prosecute in this, then they will move on to something else.

Sooner or later, they'll find something and achieve their goal: keeping Trump legally off the ballot in 2024.

Throwing him in jail for some manufactured crime is a whole lot easier than rigging yet another presidential election.

 

[Dr.3D]

Good grief, three pages of arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

This is a politically motivated "hit".

If there is nothing at all to prosecute in this, then they will move on to something else.

Sooner or later, they'll find something and achieve their goal: keeping Trump legally off the ballot in 2024.

Throwing him in jail for some manufactured crime is a whole lot easier than rigging yet another presidential election.

From what I've heard, they say he couldn't be on the ballots.

What if he told everybody to write him in?

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

Since no one would know what was or was not in the boxes, I guess we will just have to take the FBI's word for it.

 

[dannno]

Uh, you know, that isn't exactly what that word means...

My point was it was better than documentation, I was hoping somebody would try to deny that. If he had just written "Declassified" on the sides of the boxes with magic marker and stuck them in some random storage locker, you would have to figure out who did it. Did President Trump authorize it? Was it his handwriting? Was it Trump who had access to the storage locker? The questions go on and on.

When the President takes classified documents TO HIS OWN HOUSE, then there is no question that the documents had been declassified, which he had the power to do. He can literally say it in his own head "These documents are now declassified" and not tell anybody and take them home. He is the sole authority on whether that occurred. If you ever want to know whether the documents were declassified, the only person who would know is Donald Trump.

 

[Invisible Man]

When the President takes classified documents TO HIS OWN HOUSE, then there is no question that the documents had been declassified

Are you saying that the mere act of a president treating the documents as if they are not classified is the same as declassifying them? You can't honestly believe this.

Does Trump himself even claim that he declassified the documents?

 

[dannno]

Are you saying that the mere act of a president treating the documents as if they are not classified is the same as declassifying them? You can't honestly believe this.

Does Trump himself even claim that he declassified the documents?

Yes, 100%, and yes, he did.

Yes. He said himself he declassified them.

When the President is negotiating with a foreign leader, let's say they are negotiating a nuclear weapons treaty.. he doesn't have to go through a "process" to declassify certain materials in the middle of the negotiation. The President has ultimate authority on what gets declassified. There is no higher authority on this matter.

Some "lawyer" you are.

 

[Invisible Man]

When the President is negotiating with a foreign leader, let's say they are negotiating a nuclear weapons treaty.. he doesn't have to go through a "process" to declassify certain materials in the middle of the negotiation.

Why do you believe this?

 

[ClaytonB]

Good grief, three pages of arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

This is a politically motivated "hit".

If there is nothing at all to prosecute in this, then they will move on to something else.

Sooner or later, they'll find something and achieve their goal: keeping Trump legally off the ballot in 2024.

Throwing him in jail for some manufactured crime is a whole lot easier than rigging yet another presidential election.

But you have to reject the black-pill. The ominous "They". Always mentioned in hushed-tones. "They" could be sitting in the creepy white van across the street. "They" could gag&bag anybody anytime, anywhere. And so on and so forth. At some point, we have to choose sides and prepare to take this to the final limit. I'm on the side of the good and the true -- that means I'm on the side of Jesus. And I know I'm not the only one. By a long shot. The Beast system is literally baiting the book of Revelation. So be it. "They" know just as well as I do who wins that fight. Bring it on...

 

[TheTexan]

But you have to reject the black-pill. The ominous "They". Always mentioned in hushed-tones. "They" could be sitting in the creepy white van across the street. "They" could gag&bag anybody anytime, anywhere. And so on and so forth. At some point, we have to choose sides and prepare to take this to the final limit. I'm on the side of the good and the true -- that means I'm on the side of Jesus. And I know I'm not the only one. By a long shot. The Beast system is literally baiting the book of Revelation. So be it. "They" know just as well as I do who wins that fight. Bring it on...

One good thing that came out of Trump's presidency, is it's pretty clear now who "they" are. At least to me it's clear.

 

[Invisible Man]

One good thing that came out of Trump's presidency, is it's pretty clear now who "they" are. At least to me it's clear.

White people?

 

[TheTexan]

White people?

Close, but complete opposite

 

[dannno]

Why do you believe this?

Because that is what the Constitution says?

 

[acptulsa]

Because that is what the Constitution says?

You are at your comedic best this evening.

 

[Invisible Man]

Because that is what the Constitution says?

Can you quote the part you are referring to?

 

[A Son of Liberty]

There's an entire statute dealing with presidential records -- the Presidential Records Act of 1978, which defines "Presidential records" as:



"Personal records" is defined as:



The Act further provides, "The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter." 44 USC §2202

Here's an interesting tidbit from §2203:



"Adequately documented" -- gee, ya think that just might be referring to putting it in writing?

And yet we again return to the unanswered question as to what differentiates HRC's crimes from DJT's. Thank you for citing chapter and verse, reverend. You still haven't answered the actual question, however.