Father sentenced to life in prison for 'murder' after daughter dies following MMR vaccine

Ender's the same person who kept posting that fake transcript of a speech from Botha where he talked about a secret force he sent out to poison black people and make them infertile.


Well, it could be true so that's what's important.

Ender, Of course science changes. It challenges itself, demands that theories be tested and retested, and admits when evidence indicates theories are wrong. The anti-vaxxers never, ever change their minds about anything, which only means they refuse to learn or even admit they're wrong about anything.

It is entirely probable that once certain diseases are eradicated, they will change the recommendation that children get vaccinations for them. And when that day comes, the anti-vaxxers will tell us that we were all cleansed of the evil via indoor plumbing, and that they are somehow vindicated.

ANd science demands that evidence to support theories. Speaking of that, has anybody yet managed to verify that the story in the OP is not entirely made up?
 
First:

Science is fun but it isn't God. I was a para-paleontologist from the age of 11 and learned that most scientific "facts" change constantly.

Examples:

The world's most beloved dino, the Brontosaurus, is now said to never have existed.

Pluto is no longer a planet.

No- wait, it now IS a planet. OOPS, just kidding, it isn't. No- wait.....

A dear family friend, who is a physicist, says he loves his job because Truth changes every seven years. So, to demand "scientific fact" as proof is almost a joke between scientists because the really adept scientists know that "they don' know nuttin".

Second:

Citing the same kinds of "sources" that have told us that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that "they hate us for our freedoms" is rather hypocritical, at best, wouldn't you think? The same people that want your tax dollars are the same people that want forced vaccinations. Just that alone should give you pause.

Your avatar is Snowden. Seems to me that if you were really a supporter of him, you would be much more open to conspiracy on all levels and would be questioning everything, instead of making this a personal issue and reason to attack and demean donnay.

All that does is make her look good and you a fool.

Just sayin'.

Part one is a good thing about science--we recognize when reality points us in a different direction and don't have blind faith in one notion being the correct one.

Part two: Angela doesn't want forced vaccinations, and I find it odd that you couldn't remember her frustrated rant about just letting Darwin work his magic. (not verbatim, obviously.)

I'm a huge fan of Snowden too, but that doesn't mean that all logic goes out the door. What Snowden's released and will release is from the belly of the beast, and we all know that there are conspiracies, many of them. But that doesn't mean that everything is a conspiracy.

This is personal to both donnay and Angela, I'd guess. But Angela using peer-reviewed scientific study does not make her look a fool, while donnay using blogs/natural news doesn't make her look too good. I've read some of these blogs, and these people actually deny that shaken baby syndrome is even possible, so it MUST be vaccines that are breaking legs of infants and causing massive brain damage.

For instance: http://legaljustice4john.com/

That really is a gross, vile, anti-scientific, anti-logical position to take.

And lastly, I think the anti-vaxxers will be the cause of forced vaccinations with a couple more outbreaks. That's what I care about, not if you vaccinate yourself or your kids.

Merry Christmas everybody!
 
Part one is a good thing about science--we recognize when reality points us in a different direction and don't have blind faith in one notion being the correct one.

Part two: Angela doesn't want forced vaccinations, and I find it odd that you couldn't remember her frustrated rant about just letting Darwin work his magic. (not verbatim, obviously.)

I'm a huge fan of Snowden too, but that doesn't mean that all logic goes out the door. What Snowden's released and will release is from the belly of the beast, and we all know that there are conspiracies, many of them. But that doesn't mean that everything is a conspiracy.

This is personal to both donnay and Angela, I'd guess. But Angela using peer-reviewed scientific study does not make her look a fool, while donnay using blogs/natural news doesn't make her look too good. I've read some of these blogs, and these people actually deny that shaken baby syndrome is even possible, so it MUST be vaccines that are breaking legs of infants and causing massive brain damage.

For instance: http://legaljustice4john.com/

That really is a gross, vile, anti-scientific, anti-logical position to take.

And lastly, I think the anti-vaxxers will be the cause of forced vaccinations with a couple more outbreaks. That's what I care about, not if you vaccinate yourself or your kids.

Merry Christmas everybody!

So, your answer is if the anti-vaxxers protest we lose and if they say nothin' we still lose?

Hmmm....

BTW- don't think I accused angelatc of demanding forced vaxs.
 
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Not believing in science isn't rational, because you have to entirely disregard over 100 years of documentation and instead put your faith in undcumented, half baked conspiracy theories.

No, no, no, no, NO, dammit! You're not getting it, Angela! Disagreeing with you is as rational as breathing out and breathing in - and "science" is not a settled question, not the be-all and end-all of everything. Will you stop insulting the ones with which you disagree and debate on the merit of your passionately held belief that science cannot be questioned, never alters its findings, and that you - and known, proven liars in government and the pharmaceutical industry - cannot possibly be wrong?

Will you, please...so we can laugh even harder at you, you harpie?
 
No, no, no, no, NO, dammit! You're not getting it, Angela! Disagreeing with you is as rational as breathing out and breathing in - and "science" is not a settled question, not the be-all and end-all of everything. Will you stop insulting the ones with which you disagree and debate on the merit of your passionately held belief that science cannot be questioned, never alters its findings, and that you - and known, proven liars in government and the pharmaceutical industry - cannot possibly be wrong?

Will you, please...so we can laugh even harder at you, you harpie?


You insult yourself when you resort to logical fallacies.

Nobody said science can't be questioned. In fact, science questions itself all the time.

As a result, science alters its positions all the time.

Because government indeed lies sometimes does not mean government and science lies all the time.

Of course they can be wrong. There is simply no evidence that vaccines cause more harm than good, while there is a plethora of evidence that vaccines cause more good than harm.



You guys conconsider yourselves masters of misdirection, apparently:

Has anybody yet unearthed a single shred of evidence that the title post isn't entirely a fabrication?
 
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Here we go again. That link has nothing to do with vaccine-induced scurvy or rickets. But the anti-vaxxers are idiots wo just make noise to confuse the issues.

I find it crazy funny that the woman who exists in these forums for no other reason than to promote the spread of preventable childhood diseases is against the death penalty. Killing the innocent while sparing the guilty. Priceless.



That person is not talking about vaccine-induced scurvy, troll. You could have put that in another post, and not a single person here would have had any issue with it. Instead you put it here to make it look like the doctor in question agrees with the "vaccines cause rickets and scurvy but only the fatal kind!" nonsense.


So, do you have any documentation for the story in the original post? At this point, we know the answer is no. But you are getting attention, which is far more important than the actual truth.

And if you noticed this entire thread was to bring awareness of the pseudoscience of "shaken baby syndrome." The many cases where grieving parents are falsely accused of killing their child when in fact there is other factors to consider. This whole shaken baby syndrome started in the UK. SBS is a theory, btw.

I posted these links already but let me repost them so you get the gist:


Watchdog report: Shaken-baby science doubts grow
http://medicalmisdiagnosisresearch.wordpress.com/

At least half of all parents tried over shaken baby syndrome have been wrongly convicted, expert warns
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...gly-convicted-expert-warns.html#ixzz2nU2aiTgi

Unsettling Science: Experts Are Still Debating Whether Shaken Baby Syndrome Exists
http://www.abajournal.com/magazine/...still_debating_whether_shaken_baby_syndrome_/

Does Shaken Baby Syndrome Really Exist?
http://discovermagazine.com/2008/dec/02-does-shaken-baby-syndrome-really-exist

MEDICAL STUDY PLOYS (JUNK/FRAUDULENT SCIENCE)
http://www.whale.to/a/medical_study_ploys.html

SBS: EVERTHING IS BROKEN

* SBS began as an unproven theory and medical opinions, now discredited by biomechanical engineering studies
* No DIFFERENTIAL DIAGNOSIS done to eliminate other causes, abuse assumed without evidence
* Shaken Baby diagnostic symptoms not caused by shaking
* Child protective agencies snatch children, destroy families based on medical accusations without proof of wrong-doing
*Poor or deceptive police investigations, falsified reports, perjured testimony threaten legal rights, due process
* Prosecutors seek "victory", over justice; defense attorneys guilty of ineffective counsel, ignorance, lack of effort
* Care-takers threatened, manipulated, in order to force plea bargains, false confessions
* A fractured criminal justice system--a big piece for the rich, a small piece for the poor, and none for alleged SBS cases.
http://legaljustice4john.com/

False Allegations of Child Abuse


The Shaky Science of Shaken Baby Syndrome
Prosecuters have charged parents and caretakers with shaking infants to death. But how valid is that diagnosis, and how reliable is the evidence behind it?


Over the last 30 years, shaken-baby syndrome has come to be considered one of the most heinous forms of child abuse. Thousands nationwide have been prosecuted for harming or killing small children in this way. The scales of justice in these cases often tip on the word of doctors who say they can discern that intentional shaking took place by the nature of the injuries suffered by the young victims. Many physicians and prosecutors remain confident in those judgments, but some critics say those doctors can be wrong. They claim innocent people have been sent to prison. Shaken baby science doubts grow.

After 11-month-old Melissa Mathes died in her care, Mary Weaver of Marshalltown, Iowa was charged with murdering the baby by shaking her. She was tried, convicted, her conviction reversed and then she was acquitted at retrial, all in a relatively short time. The case against Mary is a good example of false or misleading forensic evidence, perjury or false accusation. 20 years later, Mary's case is still garnering national attention.

When San Francisco prosecutors dismissed charges against Kristian Aspelin in early December, 2012, it became just the latest case to raise questions about how shaken baby syndrome is diagnosed. Aspelin, who was accused of causing the death of his infant son, had one thing in his favor: He had enough money to pay for medical experts who cast doubt on the prosecution's theory. Dismissed case raises questions about shaken baby diagnosis.

In 2002, Drayton Witt of Maricopa County, Arizona, was found guilty of shaking his infant son to death. In the intervening 12 years, doctors have learned that ongoing medical problems like Steven’s can account for the retinal and subdural bleeding they used to assume was caused by shaking, or by shaking and blows to the head. More importantly, the Medical Examiner who testified against him changed his mind. The Arizona Court of Appeals has tossed Drayton's conviction, and barred the state from retrying him. It has been a long road home.

In 1999, Pamela Jacobazzi, a Bartlett, IL day care provider, was convicted of killing 10-month-old Matthew Czapski after the child lapsed into a coma while in her care and later died. She was sentenced to 32 years in prison for "shaking" the infant. Matthew's pediatric records, however, show he had sickle cell trait and external hydrocephalus, factors not considered by the state's expert -- factors which could cause the child's death in precisely the manner it occurred. Time for the state to admit its error.

In yet another case that should never have been charged, Michael Hansen of Alexandria, MN, convicted of killing his infant daughter in 2004, has won a new trial. He was released on bail into the arms of his loved ones, telling the media, "I just want to be with my family."

UPDATE: September 16, 2011 -- The prosecutor has dropped all charges against Mr. Hansen. He is a free man.

Related: Ramsey County, MN is investigating the work of Dr. Michael McGee, who has served as the county's chief medical examiner for 26 years, after a Douglas County judge found he gave false testimony in a murder trial. McGee's testimony helped secure the conviction of Michael Hansen for the murder of his infant daughter in 2004. Douglas County Judge Peter Irvine found in July that McGee gave false testimony about infant skull fractures and about an accident that occurred six days before the baby died. Or was Dr. McGee just doing what was expected of him?

It took a jury only 2 hours to acquit former daycare provider Deborah Parlock, of Chesterton, Indiana, of shaking a 6-month-old child in her care and causing his death. The prosecutions experts, doctors with the University of Chicago’s Comer Children’s Hospital, insisted that retinal bleeding meant the baby had been beaten, even though he had no bruises or fractures. (Yes, they get paid expert witness fees.) Fortunately, jurors are beginning to see through the lack of evidence that permeates SBS cases. A case that should never have been charged.

The quasi-diagnosis of Shaken Baby Syndrome (SBS) started in the UK, and became a cottage industry for prosecution experts there before leaping like a wildfire across the Atlantic to the U.S. When Dr. Waney-Squier, a prominent British neuropathologist, re-examined the criteria she had used as a prosecution expert and realized it was wrong, she became the target of vicious personal and professional attacks. And, as with the SBS "diagnosis" itself, Scotland Yard has carried the fight to the US. Colin Welsh, lead investigator at Scotland Yard’s child abuse investigation command, told a US conference on SBS that defense experts should be banned from criminal and family court trials, because they confuse jurors and judges. Meanwhile, Dr. Waney-Squier warns that at least half of all parents tried over shaken baby syndrome have been wrongly convicted.

Quentin Louis of Athens, Wisconsin, who has been jailed for nearly six years, is one step closer to having a second chance to prove he didn't shake his infant daughter to death in 2005. A local judge granted him a new trial in 2009 because the state's forensic pathologist changed his mind about the cause of the baby's injuries, but the state appealed and it took another two years for this decision, from the state court of appeals. Quick to convict, slow to clear.

From the New York Times - Emily Bazelon examines the fierce disagreement and shift in mainstream medical thinking regarding Shaken Baby Syndrome. SBS Faces New Questions in Court.

Shirley Ree Smith of Van Nuys, CA spent 10 years behind bars for the death of her grandson before her conviction was overturned. Now she waits on skid row as the courts sort out whether a jury's verdict — even if wrong — must prevail. A pawn in a legal chess match.

Former foster mother Tenesia Brown looked ahead stoically for a full minute after a jury found her not guilty of murdering a baby in her care. But then the verdict visibly sank in, as she tearfully hugged her attorney. Her husband, Marcus, on a bench just behind her, bowed his head and wept. Fighting this charge for the past four years "was the toughest thing I've ever had to do because my wife was facing life in prison," Marcus Brown said after the verdict Friday night. Not any more. Tenesia Brown walked out of the Pinellas County criminal courts complex facing no criminal charges for the first time since 2006. And you wonder why people don't want to be foster parents? No good deed goes unpunished.

An acquittal should have brought Brian Kalinowski's nightmare to an end. Instead, it continues for the 33-year-old Palatine, IL man found not guilty of shaking and seriously injuring his infant son. Kalinowski and his wife, who has not been implicated in any wrongdoing, still face charges they abused and neglected their son, says defense attorney Lawrence Lykowski. This despite a finding of not guilty from Cook County Circuit Court Judge James Etchingham. A spokeswoman for the Cook County State's Attorney confirmed an abuse case against the couple is pending in juvenile court. They'll get you one way or another.

Quentin Louis of Athens, WI and Tammy Millerleile of Wausau, WI, both in Marathon County, were convicted of fatally shaking babies in 2005 and 2002, respectively. But in August of 2009, Marathon County Circuit Court Judge Vincent Howard vacated Louis' conviction and granted him a new trial based on a ruling that suggests medical evidence in shaken-baby cases is suspect. Prosecutors are appealing the decision to retry the Louis case, but in September, 2009, Howard also authorized payments for expert witnesses to review Millerleile's conviction. Re-opening shaken baby cases to re-examine the science.

Fatima Miah of London, England, accused of shaking her baby son to death, walked free from court after a judge ordered jurors to clear her of manslaughter. The judge said expert evidence was too divided for the jury to come to a conclusion as he threw out the charge. Legal experts said his decision would have serious implications for similar prosecutions up and down the country. The science is flawed and contradictory.

More than 1,200 U.S. children are diagnosed with Shaken Baby Syndrome and one in four of those children die from it. Dr. Michael Laposata of Boston, MA believes in cases of potential Shaken Baby Syndrome, the medical community should perform a whole battery of blood tests rather than performing the simplest or most common tests to be absolutely certain of whether there's been child abuse. Too easy to play the hero.

On the Thursday before Labor Day, 2007, while Julianna Caplan of Washington, DC was changing the diaper on one of her twins, she heard a dull thud. She turned around to see her other 8-month-old trying to push herself up from the floor, where she'd been playing, and knock her head. There were no bumps or bruises, but over the next few hours, the little girl acted fussy, then altogether out of sorts. After she began throwing up and drifting off to sleep, her parents grew concerned, called the doctor and ended up at Children's Hospital. The baby recovered fully within 24 hours, but Caplan and her husband, Greg, remain trapped in the District's frightening child-abuse system. Family Services Well Done, or Overdone?

In the UK, new medical evidence could clear childminder (babysitter) Keran Henderson, who is serving a three-year prison sentence after being convicted of shaking an 11-month-old girl to death. That new evidence comes from this side of the Atlantic. Dr Chris Van Ee, professor of biomechanics at Wayne State University in Detroit, claims tests with crash dummies and corpses show that falling off a sofa -- as the Caplan twin accidentally did -- does far more damage than shaking. Conclusion: the science behind shaken baby syndrome is flawed.
http://www.truthinjustice.org/child-abuse.htm

There is more and more compelling evidence coming out that vaccines are causing the symptoms of which a child appears to have been abused--BUT NOT BY THE PARENTS BUT THE MEDICAL SYSTEM.

Autoimmunity and non-accidental injury in children
http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.cmr.20130203.15.pdf

Multiple Vaccinations and the Shaken Baby Syndrome
http://www.nvic.org/doctors-corner/Shaken-Baby-Syndrome.aspx

Shaken Baby Syndrome
http://www.vaccineeducation.org/shakenbaby.htm

Dangerous Vaccines Found to Cause Symptoms of Shaken Baby Syndrome
http://www.activistpost.com/2013/06/dangerous-vaccines-found-to-cause.html

Five Month-Old Baby Dies Just Days After 8 Vaccinations – Parents Are Charged With Her Murder
http://vactruth.com/2013/08/17/baby-dies-after-8-vaccines/
 
And if you noticed this entire thread was to bring awareness of the pseudoscience of "shaken baby syndrome."

Just so we're clear - it isn't your anti-vax position that pisses me off. It's the fact that you're so intellectually dishonest. (And that's giving you the benefit of the doubt.)

So your position now is that you can't prove it's true, but it could be, so it's ok to post it? And if you post a bunch of other links to gobbledygook and claptrap without reading i, somehow you lend credibility to yourself?

Besides, if that was true that you just wanted to talk about SBS and medical mistakes, why couldn't you pick one of the dozens of true stories about SBS being misdiagnosed instead of choosing one that is apparently entirely made up?

We all know the answer - it's because you wanted to try to assert that vaccines kill babies. And because there is zero evidence of that, you had to resort to posting a lie.

Like I said, people like you are some of the vilest beings on the internet.
 
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So, your answer is if the anti-vaxxers protest we lose and if they say nothin' we still lose?

Hmmm....

BTW- don't think I accused angelatc of demanding forced vaxs.

You still get choice if you quit the nonsense of pretending that things like vaccines are evil and that vaccines are responsible for shaken baby syndrome. Use science, statistics and proof rather than irrational fearmongering. Did you read the link I included? That's crazy stuff.

I used a program in six sigma that made statistics very easy and accessible--it was called Minitab. I have not yet seen any anti-vaxxer run the numbers through a legit stats program to find if there is correlation between vaccines and various bad effects that you guys claim. Why? I'm not a math/stats person, and I ran hundreds of analyses on everything you could imagine, and it's easy to interpret to non-scientists.

Nothing but crickets. And this is something allegedly so important to you guys.
 
You still get choice if you quit the nonsense of pretending that things like vaccines are evil and that vaccines are responsible for shaken baby syndrome. Use science, statistics and proof rather than irrational fearmongering. Did you read the link I included? That's crazy stuff.

I used a program in six sigma that made statistics very easy and accessible--it was called Minitab. I have not yet seen any anti-vaxxer run the numbers through a legit stats program to find if there is correlation between vaccines and various bad effects that you guys claim. Why? I'm not a math/stats person, and I ran hundreds of analyses on everything you could imagine, and it's easy to interpret to non-scientists.

Nothing but crickets. And this is something allegedly so important to you guys.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/h...hat-has-sent-dozens-of-parents-to-prison.html



The authors looked at 25 babies who had died shortly before delivery and 30 newborns who had haemorrhages and found similar damage to the brains of all the babies.

The study concluded that the symptoms are common in young babies and could be caused by a traumatic birth or other conditions.


So either they're vaccinating the babies before they're born, or the vaccines are unrelated.



( And if anybody is just now joining us, the story in the headline is, so far, entirely undocumented aside from a blogger who seems to have just made the whole thing up. )
 
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/h...hat-has-sent-dozens-of-parents-to-prison.html




So either they're vaccinating the babies before they're born, or the vaccines are unrelated.



( And if anybody is just now joining us, the story in the headline is, so far, entirely undocumented aside from a blogger who seems to have just made the whole thing up. )

And, as usual, you totally blow past the part that the OP left out last names and used different names because there is still more litigation going on, which was pointed out in the second article referenced.

So carry on with your tirade. I am not here to convince you of anything, after all it's a liberal conspiracy I tell you!
 
And, as usual, you totally blow past the part that the OP left out last names and used different names because there is still more litigation going on, which was pointed out in the second article referenced.

So carry on with your tirade. I am not here to convince you of anything ....

We all know you're just here for the attention at this point. Asking you for legitimate documentation is always an exercise in futility. No reason to think this thread is any different.

You're the one who claims that you're the one whose done all the homework, remember? You just said can't verify the story, and yet you believe it 100% without question.

The guy has been convicted of murder, sentenced to life in prison, but there's no public record available to document the sad, sad story.

Yeah, seems totally legit.
 
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We all know you're just here for the attention at this point.

You're the one who claims that you're the one whose done all the homework, remember? You just said can't verify the story, and yet you believe it 100% without question.

The guy has been convicted of murder, sentenced to life in prison, but there's no public record available to document the sad, sad story.

Seems totally legit.



Why not look at the other cases I posted--there are plenty of people here, in the UK, Canada and Australia that are sitting behind bars because of the Shaken Baby Syndrome Theory.
 
Why not look at the other cases I posted--there are plenty of people here, in the UK, Canada and Australia that are sitting behind bars because of the Shaken Baby Syndrome Theory.

And in your crazyland-world, they're all - every single one of them - innocent victims of vaccines.

Your thread title betrays you. You don't care about dead babies - you want something to blame on vaccines.

The reason you started this thread was not to talk about the misdiagnosis of SBS. It was to claim that vaccines are responsible in the deaths, which is just an out and out lie.

This is what an unbiased thread about medical misdiagnosis would look like: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?435664-Shaken-Baby-Syndrome-Anatomy-of-a-Misdiagnosis
 
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You still get choice if you quit the nonsense of pretending that things like vaccines are evil and that vaccines are responsible for shaken baby syndrome. Use science, statistics and proof rather than irrational fearmongering. Did you read the link I included? That's crazy stuff.

I used a program in six sigma that made statistics very easy and accessible--it was called Minitab. I have not yet seen any anti-vaxxer run the numbers through a legit stats program to find if there is correlation between vaccines and various bad effects that you guys claim. Why? I'm not a math/stats person, and I ran hundreds of analyses on everything you could imagine, and it's easy to interpret to non-scientists.

Nothing but crickets. And this is something allegedly so important to you guys.


Did you watch the Ben Swann video that shows that companies cannot be sued for vax related illnesses/deaths? They are handled by a special court procedure and are not publicized to the multitudes. I am very good in math and I am also extremely good at finding sources-

BUT- I am not going to bother with long amounts of search unless we can all get over the BS name calling and allegations. You do not know that any of this is "nonsense" and I am betting you have no personal experience with serious vax issues.

I do.

So....deal?
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/h...hat-has-sent-dozens-of-parents-to-prison.html




So either they're vaccinating the babies before they're born, or the vaccines are unrelated.



( And if anybody is just now joining us, the story in the headline is, so far, entirely undocumented aside from a blogger who seems to have just made the whole thing up. )

Is there any possibility that vaccines foisted upon a pregnant mother could have contributed? How newborn are the newborns in the study (the ones who did not die before delivery, as the first shots are within 3 days now). To question the possibility of a link is not the same as saying all sbs deaths are all caused by vaccines. It is a call to pressure the establishment to not have a sacred cow and look into a possible vaccine connection.
 
Seizure Risk with Vaccination
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC320893/

Vaccines cause seizures in babies – But don’t worry it’s normal – Reuters
http://therefusers.com/refusers-new...don’t-worry-it’s-normal-reuters/#.UqzYA4ko6P0

Risk of Febrile Seizures and Epilepsy After Vaccination With Diphtheria, Tetanus, Acellular Pertussis, Inactivated Poliovirus, and Haemophilus Influenzae Type b
http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1355993

CDC Says “Seizures Can Occur After Vaccination”
http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/cdc-says-seizures-can-occur-after-vaccination/

Combo Vaccine May Raise Babies’ Risk for Fever-Caused Seizures
http://children.webmd.com/vaccines/...e-may-raise-babies-risk-fever-caused-seizures

Medical mystery: Seizures strike baby after routine vaccine
http://bangordailynews.com/2012/01/...y-seizures-strike-baby-after-routine-vaccine/


Subdural hematomas are caused by either a major head injury (acute subdural hematomas) or by a relatively minor head injury (chronic subdural hematomas). Acute subdural hematomas usually occur after a major head injury in which the rotational or linear forces cause veins in the subdural space to break. These types of subdural hematomas are the most common form of sports-related brain injury, especially in professional boxers because of the multiple head blows that they receive. Chronic subdural hematomas, on the other hand, typically develop days to weeks after relatively minor head injuries. This type of hematoma mainly afflicts the elderly, who are more likely to have brain shrinkage, which causes the subdural veins to stretch in order to cover the greater distance created between the brain and the dura mater. These stretched veins are more vulnerable to breakage, even from a minor head injury. Some cases of subdural hematomas occur without apparent head injury, which may be due to the fact that many minor head injuries go unnoticed. Blood-thinning drugs such as Coumadin, alcohol abuse, seizures, repeated falls, shunts draining excess cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) from the brain, and very young or very old age increase the risk of developing a subdural hematoma.
http://salempress.com/store/samples/magills_medical_guide_6/magills_medical_guide_6_hematoma.htm

An article called "Shaken Baby Syndrome - The Vaccination Link" [3] by Viera Scheibner, PhD, explains some of the adverse events of vaccination that can be mistaken for child abuse. One example is: "Indeed, vaccines like the pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine are actually used to induce encephalo-myelitis (experimental allergic encephalomyelitis) in laboratory animals (Levine and Sowinski, 1973 5). This is characterised by brain swelling and haemorrhaging of an extent similar to that caused by mechanical injuries (Iwasa et al., 1985 6)."



Scheibner described another sign of a “direct reaction to the DPT vaccine.” Brain swelling causes a bulging fontanelle, as revealed by Jacob and Mannino [4] in a seven-month-old child nine hours after being given its third DPT vaccine. Scheibner said that the baby also had fever and irritability.

Scheibner stated in her article that another side-effect of many vaccines is thrombocytopenia, a blood-clotting disorder characterized by bruising and easy bleeding and by petechial, or spotlike, rash. She said that thrombocytopenia can result in brain and other haemorrhages.



In most of the rest of this article, I will use quotes and information directly from the writing of Harold E. Buttram, M.D., F.A.A.E.M. For the exact sources, please see the endnotes.



It is customary for medical researchers to experiment by developing animal models of diseases before they begin human studies. Such animal models reveal that studies involving pertussis endotoxin show “reactions to pertussis which match each and every feature of brain injuries now represented in courts by prosecutors as proof of the Shaken Baby Syndrome.” [6]



There are studies that “stressed the finding of brain edema as a feature of pertussis-induced encephalopathy.” His research of several sources showed that, “… brain edema in and of itself may result in both retinal and brain hemorrhages.”

Temporary brittle bone disease (TBBD), lack of vitamin C, and vaccination can cause fractures, hemorrhagic complications, etc.
http://www.vaclib.org/basic/childabuse.htm
 
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Did you watch the Ben Swann video that shows that companies cannot be sued for vax related illnesses/deaths? They are handled by a special court procedure and are not publicized to the multitudes. I am very good in math and I am also extremely good at finding sources-

BUT- I am not going to bother with long amounts of search unless we can all get over the BS name calling and allegations. You do not know that any of this is "nonsense" and I am betting you have no personal experience with serious vax issues.

I do.

So....deal?

Suing/not suing is a separate issue. I'd have to research that--and no, didn't watch the video or any video on the subject due to my internet connection. If you're extremely good at math and finding sources, then I'd be interested--especially in the statistical analysis that leads you to believe that these stories are true...true enough to potentially put children at risk.

I read that website that I linked to, and I do know that's nonsense. Shaken baby syndrome is real, it happens and I am 99% sure that mixing up bad symptoms of a vaccination with the terrible results of SBS is very unlikely.

Only some of my elderly relatives had any issues with vaccinations. And personal experience does not a trend make.

Deal on what? I want to see correlation, that's all.
 
Suing/not suing is a separate issue. I'd have to research that--and no, didn't watch the video or any video on the subject due to my internet connection. If you're extremely good at math and finding sources, then I'd be interested--especially in the statistical analysis that leads you to believe that these stories are true...true enough to potentially put children at risk.

I read that website that I linked to, and I do know that's nonsense. Shaken baby syndrome is real, it happens and I am 99% sure that mixing up bad symptoms of a vaccination with the terrible results of SBS is very unlikely.

Only some of my elderly relatives had any issues with vaccinations. And personal experience does not a trend make.

Deal on what? I want to see correlation, that's all.

Here's the deal:

BUT- I am not going to bother with long amounts of search unless we can all get over the BS name calling and allegations.

Rocket science.

Now- here's some interesting news on medical "science" by a medical science guy.

Lies, Damned Lies, and Medical Science

Much of what medical researchers conclude in their studies is misleading, exaggerated, or flat-out wrong. So why are doctors—to a striking extent—still drawing upon misinformation in their everyday practice? Dr. John Ioannidis has spent his career challenging his peers by exposing their bad science.

Excerpt:

In fact, the question of whether the problems with medical research should be broadcast to the public is a sticky one in the meta-research community. Already feeling that they’re fighting to keep patients from turning to alternative medical treatments such as homeopathy, or misdiagnosing themselves on the Internet, or simply neglecting medical treatment altogether, many researchers and physicians aren’t eager to provide even more reason to be skeptical of what doctors do—not to mention how public disenchantment with medicine could affect research funding. Ioannidis dismisses these concerns. “If we don’t tell the public about these problems, then we’re no better than nonscientists who falsely claim they can heal,” he says. “If the drugs don’t work and we’re not sure how to treat something, why should we claim differently? Some fear that there may be less funding because we stop claiming we can prove we have miraculous treatments. But if we can’t really provide those miracles, how long will we be able to fool the public anyway? The scientific enterprise is probably the most fantastic achievement in human history, but that doesn’t mean we have a right to overstate what we’re accomplishing.”

We could solve much of the wrongness problem, Ioannidis says, if the world simply stopped expecting scientists to be right. That’s because being wrong in science is fine, and even necessary—as long as scientists recognize that they blew it, report their mistake openly instead of disguising it as a success, and then move on to the next thing, until they come up with the very occasional genuine breakthrough. But as long as careers remain contingent on producing a stream of research that’s dressed up to seem more right than it is, scientists will keep delivering exactly that.

“Science is a noble endeavor, but it’s also a low-yield endeavor,” he says. “I’m not sure that more than a very small percentage of medical research is ever likely to lead to major improvements in clinical outcomes and quality of life. We should be very comfortable with that fact.”

Full article is here:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/11/lies-damned-lies-and-medical-science/308269/
 
Is there any possibility that vaccines foisted upon a pregnant mother could have contributed? How newborn are the newborns in the study (the ones who did not die before delivery, as the first shots are within 3 days now). To question the possibility of a link is not the same as saying all sbs deaths are all caused by vaccines. It is a call to pressure the establishment to not have a sacred cow and look into a possible vaccine connection.

That just indicates that there's no such thing as honesty in the anti-vax movement. "We just want science to prove that vaccines aren't causing any of this even though we have absolutely no evidence that it even happens." Not to mention that anything they do prove is immediately met with cries of "The studies were paid for by big pharma! Profit! Government! Conspiracy!"

You people have no interest in being satisfied that vaccines are safe. You just want to make noise.

And remember, DonnaY's original post isn't about that in the slightest. The MMR isn't even typically administered until about 12 months. But these "symptoms" which can be mistaken for SBS are present at birth and before. But you and yours are going to cling to the vaccine link now. DonnaY's mission is accomplished - she's managed to make her evil lies into a truth.

People are now literally more ignorant than they were before, thanks to her tireless efforts.

As for the rest, again - if vaccines were causing this via some bizarre vitamin-sicking phenomenon we would expect to also see children present with lesser degrees of the nutritional deficiencies discussed. But we don't.

The safety of vaccines has been documented in thousands of different studies, but the crazies won't ever be satisfied. They are now resorting to simply making stories up.

Like this one, which, I will again point out - has absolutely zero corroboration anywhere that we can find. But that doesn't matter. You still want science to prove that vaccines were not related to a case that doesn't even exist.

Un-fucking-real.
 
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Here's the deal:



Rocket science.

Now- here's some interesting news on medical "science" by a medical science guy.

Lies, Damned Lies, and Medical Science

Much of what medical researchers conclude in their studies is misleading, exaggerated, or flat-out wrong. So why are doctors—to a striking extent—still drawing upon misinformation in their everyday practice? Dr. John Ioannidis has spent his career challenging his peers by exposing their bad science.

Excerpt:



Full article is here:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/11/lies-damned-lies-and-medical-science/308269/

I don't think I called you a name, but I did read another thread stating that those who vaccinate and argue that it has value are a bunch of boot-licking statists, sucking up to the gov't and beg for more death propaganda. I really don't care because that's pretty damned far from the truth, and I'm probably more radical than any conspiracy theorist on here could ever figure out. And that's the way I want it.

Despite your article's implications about me, I don't trust many doctors either, I do my own research and question them before I get at all comfortable. I went to undergrad with a lot of people admitted to med school, I know they can be mediocre or worse.

But I still want to see correlation and I want the truth--and as far as I can tell, it is not coming from the anti-vax crowd.

This is a great holiday coming up, and I won't be spending it reading anti-vax stuff. So ya'll can rejoice and count me out--not interested in the anger on either side.

Merry Christmas.
 
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