Father sentenced to life in prison for 'murder' after daughter dies following MMR vaccine

[donnay]

Timendi causa est nescire ~ Seneca
“Ignorance is the cause of fear.”

 

[angelatc]

Timendi causa est nescire ~ Seneca
“Ignorance is the cause of fear.”

nugas garris!

Are we supposed to be impressed that you know what Latin is? Wait - isn't that the language of the Illuminati????

I ask for a source, and you call us ignorant. What kind of debating skills are you displaying there?

As per your quote, you're quite the the ignorant one, as ilustrated by the fact that you are afraid of everything under the sun. Medicine, food, the government, politicians, Glenn Greenwald, corporations, doctors, the Iluminati, the conspiracy, The New World Order, pork, chemtrails, morgellons, hospitals....should I go on? I think it's awesome that half the items on that list don't even exist and yet there you are - desperately trying to convince us all that they are real!!!!! If you weren't crazy you'd be embarrassed.

Where's the evidence that the story is true, DonnaY? That's all I'm asking.

It doesn't exist, but yet you believe it while accusing me of not doing my homework.

Or are you saying I am ignorant because I want sources? That would make sense in your bass-ackwards mind, I think.

But nobody is afraid of you DonnaY. People generally fee pity for you. I don't, because I think you're the kind of stupid that can't be fixed. nihil nequius est te!

 

[donnay]

The Child Cases
http://www.propublica.org/special/the-child-cases

 

[BucksforPaul]

Great debate angelatc as always.

Well at least she did not tell you to go kill yourself this time. Lol

Angelatc,

Care to watch the following video and give us your synopsis on your beloved "higher educated" poisoners? This "scientist" who by the way was considered the leading vaccine researcher admits to vaccines spreading AIDS and cancer but you blindly follow him and others of his ilk just because he has higher education. I await your comment on this video but won't hold my breath as it has been posted before and you pretend that it does not exist.




If this is "science," then I don't want any part of it. And before you give me the bullshit answer of vaccines being cleaned up of at least 40+ active viruses contained within them please tell us how many of these murdering poisoners were punished or went to jail for their crimes against humanity? While you are at it can you also justify why mercury was ever considered a preservative in vaccines and which one of your beloved "credible scientific" sources were involved in pushing that bullshit. This should not be a problem for you since you graduated high school!

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Keep trusting people who didn't even graduate from high school for medical advice. Can't wait to see how that works out.

You sure seem to be threatened by such people. Those who are threatened by yahoos are often the ones with the shakiest arguments.

None the less,...

It's spelled nonetheless.

 

[Ender]

There are exceptions to every rule. But the rules exists for a reason. Some people drop out of high school because they are too intelligent. Most people drop out of high school because they aren't as smart as they think they are and some people are just stupid.

None the less, she doesn't get to post lie after lie while ignoring facts and evidence all while claiming conspiracies and plots, then tell us that we don't know how to debate. I spent a lot of time thinking she was a bully, now I know she's just too proud to admit she hasn't got a clue about what an honest debate would even look like.

The stuff we post probably looks like Latin to her.

I have 3 Master degrees, angelatc; do you want to bring it on?

 

[donnay]

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
http://projects.propublica.org/recovery/gov_entities/7523
http://projects.propublica.org/recovery/gov_entities/7523/list

Recovery Tracker
How Much Stimulus Funding is Going to Your County?
http://projects.propublica.org/recovery/gov_entities/7523/list

 

[NorfolkPCSolutions]

Actually, it is not possible for you to explain the decision rationally, unless there's a history of vaccine reactions in your family.

Sure there is, friend - Liberty! Unless and until a loaded weapon is placed firmly against my skull, I have chosen to not trust known liars in both government and private industry.

In one sentence, I have rationally explained my family's decision.

I enjoy reading and respect your point of view, madam; and we've spoken cordially here on these forums in the past. It's my desire that we continue to do so. To that end, I respectfully request that you curb your desire to be "right" and simply accept that there are those who hold opposite views to your own, with equally noble intentions and with equal passion.

Your logic is flawed, friend...there is a history in my family of surviving automobile crashes without benefit of seatbelts. Despite this truth, I ensure that my wife and son are properly buckled up, as well as myself, even if we are making a journey no more arduous than to Wally World. I don't need to refer to family history to rationally make this decision...only a nascent understanding of high school physics.

Vaccines are, by their nature, a double-edged sword, a creation of man and not of nature. The risks are written in teeny-tiny print on a big ass fold out label. I read them. The benefits are laid out by doctors, trade publications, medical societies, and journals of medicine. I read those, too. And I paid rapt attention to our child's doctor. I sat down the the woman I love, we hashed it out, and made a choice - people at liberty can do that. We made the decision that was right for us and for our little boy. It wasn't any different than when we decided not to mutilate his penis.

We might not have made the right decision for you, but...well, if you don't approve, you can get stuffed. I know you are passionate, and I respect that. The way you have conducted yourself in this thread makes you out a shrill, obnoxious troll, Angela, and I know that you have more intellectual integrity that you've shown in respect to this discussion. You are not a shrill, obnoxious troll. You have a valuable point of view. Please don't obscure it any more than you have already.

Merry Christmas!

 

[NorfolkPCSolutions]

STFU. iF you spent any time at all in here you'd now that the only reason I post stuff like that is because she spends all her time saying that the legitimate studies are al fraud.

Did you not fucking notice that the story that started this whole loser thread can't be documented?


Hie "peer reviewed" journals are actually the journals where you pay to publish. They are not trustworthy. You can pubish there if you cough up enough money. His theory is that the vaccines cause a depletion of Vitamin K, D or C. That's credible?


An allergic reaction that can cause fractures in the arms and legs of children? Seriously? Maybe you can defend pedophiia next.

Go back to your bong, loser.


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I showed you too much respect. You are a shrill, obnoxious troll lending nothing to the conversation and offering no useful input to the debate. You should be ashamed of your treatment of fellow posters here at RPFs, and I wish you'd stop posting. But you won't.

Are you going to invite me to return to my bong now, too, you jerk? Enjoy your meal, because I just fed the troll.

You misspelled "pedophilia." Geez, it's like you didn't graduate from high school or something...ZING

 

[moostraks]

You spelled "Mandela" wrong.


So did you even graduate from high school? At this point I'm guessing you didn't, and you're trying to decide whether you should lie about it to give yourself a shred of credibility. Eh, don't bother.

It's always been painfully obvious you didn't get "none of that fancy education stuff" before you wandered out into the world. You've never participated in a moderated debate or attended a logic class. it's really obvious. Can't believe it took me so long to figure it out.

Thats why you adhere to conspiracies, false prophets and fake science - the truth really is just too hard for you to comprehend.

So a proper debate in your opinion is one of ad hominem attacks and that there be a dismissal of any relevant material that is suitable and truthful as it is not a valid criticism as long as you have acknowledge its existence? SMH...

 

[Peace Piper]

I showed you too much respect. You are a shrill, obnoxious troll lending nothing to the conversation and offering no useful input to the debate. You should be ashamed of your treatment of fellow posters here at RPFs, and I wish you'd stop posting. But you won't.

Are you going to invite me to return to my bong now, too, you jerk? Enjoy your meal, because I just fed the troll.

You misspelled "pedophilia." Geez, it's like you didn't graduate from high school or something...ZING

Bravo.

I can't imagine why this poster is allowed to continue with these repulsive personal attacks. It is way way beneath what Ron Paul is supposed to stand for. I'm tempted to work up a best of list. It would go on for pages though. Maybe a short list from just one thread. And when this poster isn't attacking, they are calling for censorship. I wish there was some way to block this uncivil person when I browse while not signed in.

Surely they can't think they are persuading people to their side. If I was undecided about anything I'd take the opposite just out of spite.

 

[donnay]

I already posted this link but here is a snippet that brings into question whether the courts have a right to put someone away in prison for life?

The quasi-diagnosis of Shaken Baby Syndrome (SBS) started in the UK, and became a cottage industry for prosecution experts there before leaping like a wildfire across the Atlantic to the U.S. When Dr. Waney-Squier, a prominent British neuropathologist, re-examined the criteria she had used as a prosecution expert and realized it was wrong, she became the target of vicious personal and professional attacks. And, as with the SBS "diagnosis" itself, Scotland Yard has carried the fight to the US. Colin Welsh, lead investigator at Scotland Yard’s child abuse investigation command, told a US conference on SBS that defense experts should be banned from criminal and family court trials, because they confuse jurors and judges. Meanwhile, Dr. Waney-Squier warns that at least half of all parents tried over shaken baby syndrome have been wrongly convicted.

http://www.truthinjustice.org/child-abuse.htm

With cases like this, this is one of the many reasons I am against the death penalty.

 

[angelatc]

Sure there is, friend - Liberty! Unless and until a loaded weapon is placed firmly against my skull, I have chosen to not trust known liars in both government and private industry. !

Not believing in science isn't rational, because you have to entirely disregard over 100 years of documentation and instead put your faith in undcumented, half baked conspiracy theories.

For example - "The studies are all bought and paid for!" entirely dismisses the point that the natural cure / homeopathic / anti-vax movements generate billions of dollars for their cult leaders, who produce nothing expect words.


And their words aren't true. Notice again that the original story is entirely undocumented. But she can't admit that, instead just ignoring that inconvenient truth and posting more opinion-as-fact bullshit to make sure her headines stays on top.

 

[angelatc]

I showed you too much respect. You are a shrill, obnoxious troll lending nothing to the conversation and offering no useful input to the debate.

My only question here is - can anybody provide any documentation or evidence that the story in the OP is true?

There is no debate.

 

[angelatc]

Bravo.

I can't imagine why this poster is allowed to continue with these repulsive personal attacks.

Because she started the name calling in lieu of debate several threads ago. I started it because it's the only thing she responds to. She isn't here to support Ron Paul, she isn't here to support candidates - she's only here to spread her anti-vax lies to the young people in the hopes they'll make their babies sick just to please her.

 

[angelatc]

I have 3 Master degrees, angelatc; do you want to bring it on?

Sure. Unless you graduated from a liberal arts or divinity school, you know how this works. Find me proof that the story in the original post is real. If it isn't, then explain why we should believe it regardless.

 

[angelatc]

Well at least she did not tell you to go kill yourself this time. Lol

Angelatc,

Care to watch the following video and give us your synopsis on your beloved "higher educated" poisoners? This "scientist" who by the way was considered the leading vaccine researcher admits to vaccines spreading AIDS and cancer but you blindly follow him and others of his ilk just because he has higher education. I await your comment on this video but won't hold my breath as it has been posted before and you pretend that it does not exist.

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If this is "science," then I don't want any part of it. And before you give me the bullshit answer of vaccines being cleaned up of at least 40+ active viruses contained within them please tell us how many of these murdering poisoners were punished or went to jail for their crimes against humanity? While you are at it can you also justify why mercury was ever considered a preservative in vaccines and which one of your beloved "credible scientific" sources were involved in pushing that bullshit. This should not be a problem for you since you graduated high school!

Here we go again. This is why there isn't any debate to be had. The anti-vaxxers are simply educationally stunted. Try pointing out that the story in the OP is a lie, and they start pretending it might be true because conspiracy!

Then they bring up another conspiracy to try to "prove" there's a shred of truth in the new conspiracy while pretending that it's never even been addressed. It's a huge circle jerk.

I'm not mopping up again. The SV40 noise has been addressed probably 25 times over the past 5 years. Search the forums and you will find your answers.

But can you explain why anybody should believe the story in the OP is true even though there's absolutely no way to confirm it?

 

[angelatc]

I already posted this link but here is a snippet that brings into question whether the courts have a right to put someone away in prison for life?


http://www.truthinjustice.org/child-abuse.htm

With cases like this, this is one of the many reasons I am against the death penalty.

Here we go again. That link has nothing to do with vaccine-induced scurvy or rickets. But the anti-vaxxers are idiots wo just make noise to confuse the issues.

I find it crazy funny that the woman who exists in these forums for no other reason than to promote the spread of preventable childhood diseases is against the death penalty. Killing the innocent while sparing the guilty. Priceless.

Dr. Waney-Squier warns that at least half of all parents tried over shaken baby syndrome have been wrongly convicted.

That person is not talking about vaccine-induced scurvy, troll. You could have put that in another post, and not a single person here would have had any issue with it. Instead you put it here to make it look like the doctor in question agrees with the "vaccines cause rickets and scurvy but only the fatal kind!" nonsense.


So, do you have any documentation for the story in the original post? At this point, we know the answer is no. But you are getting attention, which is far more important than the actual truth.

 

[Ender]

Not believing in science isn't rational, because you have to entirely disregard over 100 years of documentation and instead put your faith in undcumented, half baked conspiracy theories.

For example - "The studies are all bought and paid for!" entirely dismisses the point that the natural cure / homeopathic / anti-vax movements generate billions of dollars for their cult leaders, who produce nothing expect words.


And their words aren't true. Notice again that the original story is entirely undocumented. But she can't admit that, instead just ignoring that inconvenient truth and posting more opinion-as-fact bullshit to make sure her headines stays on top.

First:

Science is fun but it isn't God. I was a para-paleontologist from the age of 11 and learned that most scientific "facts" change constantly.

Examples:

The world's most beloved dino, the Brontosaurus, is now said to never have existed.

Pluto is no longer a planet.

No- wait, it now IS a planet. OOPS, just kidding, it isn't. No- wait.....

A dear family friend, who is a physicist, says he loves his job because Truth changes every seven years. So, to demand "scientific fact" as proof is almost a joke between scientists because the really adept scientists know that "they don' know nuttin".

Second:

Citing the same kinds of "sources" that have told us that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that "they hate us for our freedoms" is rather hypocritical, at best, wouldn't you think? The same people that want your tax dollars are the same people that want forced vaccinations. Just that alone should give you pause.

Your avatar is Snowden. Seems to me that if you were really a supporter of him, you would be much more open to conspiracy on all levels and would be questioning everything, instead of making this a personal issue and reason to attack and demean donnay.

All that does is make her look good and you a fool.

Just sayin'.

 

[erowe1]

Sure. Unless you graduated from a liberal arts or divinity school, you know how this works. Find me proof that the story in the original post is real. If it isn't, then explain why we should believe it regardless.

Ender's the same person who kept posting that fake transcript of a speech from Botha where he talked about a secret force he sent out to poison black people and make them infertile.