Fabianism Vs. Leninism, and How it Parallels Our Current Situation

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You may think it heretical of me to ponder correlations between the Communist Revolution and the Ron Paul Revolution, as the first was an effort to shackle mankind, while the latter is an effort to break those shackles. But, even if the two revolutions are complete ideological opposites of one another, there are some things we can learn from the tactics of our enemies.

As illustrated by the very informative videos G. Edward Griffin participated in on this topic (http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Leninism+Vs.+Fabianism&hl=en&sitesearch=),
there was a sharp division in the mainstream of socialist thought near the dawn of the 20th century, resulting in the emergence of two distinct factions; Leninism and Fabianism.

The Leninists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leninism) believed that the only way to secure their ideal society was with swift and violent overthrow of the government, to attack and topple it from the outside. The Fabian Socialists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabianism) had a far more subtle plan; to clandestinely and incrementally enter the government power structure they loathed, to warp and subvert it from within.

So, what can we learn from the socialist divide? You can answer this question with remarkable ease by analyzing, in retrospect, who was more successful? The Leninists thrived for a time and accomplished their aim of setting up a despotic and oppressive regime in a relatively short period of time, but were soon mired in in-fighting, power struggles, betrayal, and eventual economic collapse.

The Fabianists are still working toward their ends, which have taken decades upon decades to advance to this point. Upon cursory examination, it would seem that the Fabianists failed. But a deeper analysis reveals the very opposite. Fabianists have attained levels of power with scope and influence far outreaching the Soviet States. One committed Fabian Socialist, Gordon Brown, is now the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.

John Maynard Keynes, George Bernard Shaw, Bertrand Russel, and H.G. Wells, all of whom are still considered luminaries of modern thought, were members of the Fabian Society. This is not some whacked-out "Illuminati Lizard-Men" theory, but a real group, with a website you can visit yourself.

Nobody was around to stop the gradual march of the Fabianists, because nobody noticed them...until it was too late.

So, how do we undo the damage the Fabian Socialists have done, the extensive and unnoticed measures they've taken to insidiously unravel the tenets of Constitutional Government, Individual Liberty, and natural/God-given sovereignty of each human being equal among kings and heads of state? My opinion is, the best way to combat Fabianism is to adapt to it, not ideologically, but tactically.

I know it hurts, but at all costs, stay in the two-party system!!! We, as patriots and friends of liberty, cannot afford to let our understandable bitterness and disillusionment scatter us to the four winds. We need to take a lesson from our oppressors and reclaim our Republic in the same manner by which it was stolen from us!
 
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Hey BR,

I saw that video not too long ago myself. Very instructive. We need to take back our institutions one by one from the PTA to the congress and we CAN do that if we keep organizing and support one another.

To use another analogy... in a guerilla war, the party that is the most committed wins.
 
Interesting post.

The only problem I see with it, is that every year we are losing rights and that there may not be enough time to slowly take things back.
 
It seems to me to be a better argument for gaining victory electorially as opposed to blood revolution, rather than a strong argument for the two party system vs. a multi-party system. Nonetheless, if it works without blood, I'm all for it.

Long live the Constitution! It gives us the power we need to save it!
 
Interesting post.

The only problem I see with it, is that every year we are losing rights and that there may not be enough time to slowly take things back.


We should not only slowly take back our institutions (taking a page from the Fabians) but also take a page from Ghandi's Nonviolent Noncooperation. It is not a passive movement but an ACTIVE one. As he said, "The goal of nonviolent noncooperation is to provoke a response." He went to say that the response will be heavy handed and point out to even more people the injustice of those in power.

These combined strategies will not only help to get back the levers of power in our communities, states, and the nation, but help to grow our movement exponentially.

The truth is we have no idea how fast this will grow if we try. As Dr. Paul said in countless interviews he had NO idea people would be so receptive to his liberty message. We surprised him. I am sure we will surprise ourselves as long as we keep up the movement.

As John Quincy Adams said, "Duty is Ours...Results are God's"

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Interesting post.

The only problem I see with it, is that every year we are losing rights and that there may not be enough time to slowly take things back.

That is the one thing I would clarify: we do not have to work slowly like the Fabian Socialists do. We have no speed limit.

The Fabians have been working in secret towards their goal of a one world system based on the model of collectivism. They have had to do it this way-- through stealth, acting as wolves in sheeps' clothing-- because the majority of people do not approve of their vision for the future of the world, nor their means of achieving that end, when they fully understand it. It is a hierarchical system in which anything can be "justified" if it is for the "good" of the "group", even lying to start wars or murdering children. What's more, it is those at the top of the "pyramid" who do most of the deciding on what is and what is not "for the good of the group", not the masses.

This is why they have to work so slowly.

We, on the other hand, have a message of individual liberty, freedom, and justice for all, which is very popular when it is fully understood. It is the message of the revolutionary document, the U.S. Constitution, upon which this nation was founded. We do not need to hide. We do not need to keep our message nor our goals a secret. We do not have to keep our true agenda hidden. We want the truth about what they are doing and what we are doing to spread as quickly as possible, because the truth is on our side.

As journalist Jim Tucker says, "Evil is done under cover of darkness. Good works are done in the sunshine."

Unlike the Fabians, we can work to take back the power centers of society as fast as our numbers and commitment allow it, for we do our work in the sunshine.
 
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We should not only slowly take back our institutions (taking a page from the Fabians) but also take a page from Ghandi's Nonviolent Noncooperation. It is not a passive movement but an ACTIVE one. As he said, "The goal of nonviolent noncooperation is to provoke a response." He went to say that the response will be heavy handed and point out to even more people the injustice of those in power.

As in where people ask why Dr. Paul isn't being allowed to speak in the debates, or where we make reasonable arguments in favor of our man on the 'net and people flame us. Works.
 
There's another fact I forgot to bring up, one which further points to the increased efficacy of political movements which sought to consolidate power from inside whatever the current societal processes were, rather than from outside, whether the ultimate goal was Communism, Fascism, or any other ideological system.

Hitler was democratically elected! :eek:
 
One voter at a time.

Keep working, keep talking, keep spreading the message.

One voter at a time.

At some point a critical mass will be reached, and what we've seen over the last year with the rEVOLution will look like a small hill in our mountain of success.
 
As in where people ask why Dr. Paul isn't being allowed to speak in the debates, or where we make reasonable arguments in favor of our man on the 'net and people flame us. Works.

Give it time. Water destroys the rock not through brute force but through pressure and persistence.

When Fox didnt let Paul in the debate, it only served to prove our point. Our pressure and success made the establishment afraid and they made a misstep. We prevoked them into that misstep.

At that point, alot of my GOP friends who teased me about Paul stopped teasing me. They emailed me that they were ashamed of Fox. Then whenever I brought up Paul, they went out of their way to find platform issues they agreed with. Of course many of them didnt "convert", but their attitude about him changed.

Also, do NOT base ANY opinion on the harassment of online posters. I have been doing that since 2000 and I can tell you, it is generally a mob rule mentality. Your time is MUCH better spent getting more and more understanding of the issues (we can all learn more as we grow the movement), and then talking to family, friends, and people in person. Spread the ideas of Paul's platform. Groups will spring up (we will build them) and candidates at all levels will emerge that take on Paul's platform. That is how we will win.

one more quote for you....

In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot. - Mark Twain

Get this book. If it is what I think it is, we will have even better direction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YqJICwtRTs


Don't lose faith brother, human instinct is on our side. All we have to do is remind people that is what their instinct really is.

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Critical mass. Yup, that is the ticket. The economy keeps sliding and the boxes keep coming in from Iraq. Just keep talking about the solution. Sooner or later it will spread itself.

Talk fast, though--sooner is much better than later.
 
I thought Griffin said "Leninism" was to take over a country from within?? Ex: They claim to be the staunchest "Nationals" around and once they get the power they carry out a communist agenda.

So would my example be "Leninism" or "Fabianism"??

Me confused.....:(
 
I thought Griffin said "Leninism" was to take over a country from within?? Ex: They claim to be the staunchest "Nationals" around and once they get the power they carry out a communist agenda.

So would my example be "Leninism" or "Fabianism"??

Me confused.....:(

Basically:

Leninism=Attain power by any means necessary
Fabianism=Attain power by infiltrating power centers and gradually causing social shifts

Leninism=Force socialism down poeple's throats
Fabianism=Make people think they want socialism
 
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