Explaining Santorum
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You think Fox will give him his own TV show?
I think his showing today is completely meaningless.
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Remember, money can be raised FAST. Scott Brown demonstrated that. If a meme develops around Santorum he could raise enough to compete for real in other states.
Even Huckabee was shrugged off to some degree after Iowa. He had little money after his win too.
Even Huckabee was shrugged off to some degree after Iowa. He had little money after his win too.
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The way I see it is if he can go from 10% to nearly 25% in the spam of a week - he certainly can get to second place in N.H. with more fake media manipulation.
I am sure Newt will not go after him knowing frothy has no traction in the long haul. The media will now marginalize and give RP almost no media attention for the next week. Out of sight, out of mind.
If RP can secure a 2nd place in N.H great -- perhaps topple Romney. But the campaign needs to be clever and really come out and attack the right candidates with the right issues.
He also needs to seriously UP HIS GAME during interviews and stop allowing the interviewers to dictate the pace and topics to such a degree.
And as mozo says above, he could gain some traction in donations and momentum... I think he needs to be vetted immediately to forestall all of that.
I am sure Newt will not go after him knowing frothy has no traction in the long haul. The media will now marginalize and give RP almost no media attention for the next week. Out of sight, out of mind.
If RP can secure a 2nd place in N.H great -- perhaps topple Romney. But the campaign needs to be clever and really come out and attack the right candidates with the right issues.
He also needs to seriously UP HIS GAME during interviews and stop allowing the interviewers to dictate the pace and topics to such a degree.
And as mozo says above, he could gain some traction in donations and momentum... I think he needs to be vetted immediately to forestall all of that.
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He served his purpose. They'll hook him up with a cushy job after he ends his campaign after SC.
Dude, he already WAS a Fox News employee until he became a candidate
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I seen it as well. Its the press hands down. They pumped him like it was going out of stile and just like cane, bochman, parry, gingrich it worked like a charm. The media has 40% of the vote without trying.
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The media was a big factor, but you can't overlook the sway that local party officials have. They are scared to death of Paul and they hitched their wagons to Santorum and drove all the sheep to Frothy to stop Paul.
This should be a lesson for future states, don't just watch the media, pay attention to the dealings of the local party leaders...they hold more power than you think.
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Obama vs Santorum vs Paul?
Look, it's clear the GOP voters don't really want to vote for Romney. It's also clear the GOP establishment really doesn't like Paul.
Between Hannity, Beck, and Limbaugh, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities to somehow see Santorum take the GOP nomination. Those skeletons in his closet? It will only take the GOP talking heads saying "Not a big deal" to make those not a big deal.
Look, it's clear the GOP voters don't really want to vote for Romney. It's also clear the GOP establishment really doesn't like Paul.
Between Hannity, Beck, and Limbaugh, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities to somehow see Santorum take the GOP nomination. Those skeletons in his closet? It will only take the GOP talking heads saying "Not a big deal" to make those not a big deal.
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I will probably not make any friends here, but I have to say this.
Why do you guys continually elect people based upon war-mongering, abortion, gays, Christian values, Marital status etc... Our political system in Australia is far from perfect, but we have an un-married woman Prime Minister as our leader. We don't care. Our Environmental Minister is openly gay. We don't care. Why not elect people on their merits, rather than all the superficial bulls#%it?
Why are Americans so politically immature and so easily led?
I know Ron Paul people are a different breed, I am one of you, and you are the BEST.
Why do you guys continually elect people based upon war-mongering, abortion, gays, Christian values, Marital status etc... Our political system in Australia is far from perfect, but we have an un-married woman Prime Minister as our leader. We don't care. Our Environmental Minister is openly gay. We don't care. Why not elect people on their merits, rather than all the superficial bulls#%it?
Why are Americans so politically immature and so easily led?
I know Ron Paul people are a different breed, I am one of you, and you are the BEST.
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In 2008, Huckabee won Iowa, and McCain took 4th in Iowa. This year, it's Santorum in 1st (who's definitely the "Huckabee" with his "I wear my religion on my sleeve" vibe) and who's in 4th? The guy that Rush, Hannity, O'Rly, and other pundits love and has been around forever...just like McCain. Gingrich is the 2012 McCain. I'm not saying it's definitely gonna happen, but history tends to repeat itself.
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Don't kid yourselves. There's no evangelical base in New Hampshire like Iowa. Santorum doesn't have much of a pot to piss in.
It's Iowa, 98% white and like 75% or something evangelical Christians
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Don't kid yourselves. There's no evangelical base in New Hampshire like Iowa. Santorum doesn't have much of a pot to piss in.
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I wonder if the establishment just did not get really scared because Dr Paul was doing so well in the polls? They played their ace in the hole which was Santorum because all the other cards have already been played.
I tend to wonder if they are not going to be out of Aces in holes now?!?
I tend to wonder if they are not going to be out of Aces in holes now?!?
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GOP voters don't like Paul either. We have to be honest about that. There is a large segment of the GOP electorate that doesn't like Romney because of he's a Northeastern Liberal, and a large segment that doesn't like Paul because of his foreign policy. That isn't going to change. The establishment actually supports Romney, but understands they can't come right out and say that because that will upset the majority that doesn't like Romney. That's why they've been propping up these losers one after another knowing they'll suck up attention and wind but eventually die out. Santorum is no different. The establishment will never let him win it because they know the MSM would make a mockery of the guy and Obama would blow him out of the water. The establishment is just running interference for Romney. What we need to do is fight for Paul till the bitter end. This is about more than the 2012 Presidential election. It is about hearts and minds. We probably have less than a decade to save this country from utter and complete disaster. Even if we don't win the nomination, every voter we convert increases our flock. We more than doubled our total in Iowa from four years ago. And if four years from now we do the same, it will be a Randslide in Iowa. We are expanding our base. The youth of the GOP is firmly behind us. Keep up the fight. Keep up the hard work. Might not come as soon as some of us might want, but if we stay the course we will win.
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I wonder if the establishment just did not get really scared because Dr Paul was doing so well in the polls? They played their ace in the hole which was Santorum because all the other cards have already been played.
I tend to wonder if they are not going to be out of Aces in holes now?!?
they're never out..,,next they'll play HUntsman. If that doesnt work they''ll find some random dolt on the street and declare him the nomninee.
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It's a mind-set. Western Democracies outside of America don't care about this. I am not interested in getting into a debate about Church/State, but it is practically non-existent. All I am saying, is that the heirarchy has succesfully exploited most Americans.
I appreciate that 75% of Iowans are Evangelical Christians, and I want Ron Paul elected also.
But... Where did this "pitting one side against the other" begin? Bush? Rove? I am not enough of an expert.
All I can say, is it mis-directs the voters and corrupts the system.
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