Experiment: Will People Pay For 'Made In USA'

[TheTexan]

China has a highly efficient and extensive network of suppliers, manufacturers, logistics providers, and
distributors.

Do we have that??? Nope...

If someone actually did build a new factory in the US, the equipment would have to be shipped in from China, and when anything broke down we'd probably have to fly someone from China to come and fix it because the goddamn manual isn't in English.

 

[Madison320]

States can exist in an anarchist utopia, so long as the right to secede is respected.

How do you make that happen?

 

[TheTexan]

How do you make that happen?

How do I get people to respect the right to secede?

I'll let you know when I figure that out

 

[CCTelander]

We had factories. The free market didn't kill them. Government did, through unions, through regulations, through sabotage.

Get government out of the way and stop the sabotage and guess what? You'll find out we'll be as good at that specialty as we ever were.

What part of the problems were caused by communists micromismanaging shit did you not understand?

We were great at that specialty until our own government made it difficult.

We were great at that specialty until our own government made it difficult.

We were great at that specialty until our own government made it difficult. Remove the roadblock and we can drive again.

You fap to power so hard you've lost all faith in America and Americans.

Hello?!

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You just don’t get it. If we had more “genius” central planning, we’d be just fine.

Communists would be funny, if their bullshit didn’t always get millions of people killed.

 

[TheTexan]

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You just don’t get it. If we had more “genius” central planning, we’d be just fine.

Communists would be funny, if their bullshit didn’t always get millions of people killed.

Well, I mean, it's hard to argue that their central planning didn't work.

Central planners decided to make China the manufacturing center of the world, and 45 years later, China has become the manufacturing center of the world.

But I'm sure that was entirely due to the free market because central planning never works LOL

 

[CCTelander]

Every day is the wrong day to start thinking like @Swordsmyth.

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Haven’t you noticed?

Tex and Swordy are pretty much besties nowadays.

‘Birds of a feather…”?

 

[TheTexan]

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Haven’t you noticed?

Tex and Swordy are pretty much besties nowadays.

‘Birds of a feather…”?

He's an ardent supporter of liberty

He's basically an anarchist though he will always deny that.

 

[acptulsa]

He's basically an anarchist though he will always deny that.

So will everyone else.

 

[CCTelander]

He's an ardent supporter of liberty

He's basically an anarchist though he will always deny that.

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OK.

Now I’m just starting to believe that everything you post is just trolling. You just shifted from trying to make people laugh to trying to piss them off.

Have fun with that.

 

[acptulsa]

You just shifted from trying to make people laugh to trying to piss them off.

Finding out exactly how easy to manipulate a frightened crowd really is has left a lot of people out of sorts. It's hard on the humor supply.

Mass insanity is also doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Every four years the buyer's remorse sets in like clockwork, but people just can't pay that lesson forward.

 

[TheTexan]

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OK.

Now I’m just starting to believe that everything you post is just trolling. You just shifted from trying to make people laugh to trying to piss them off.

Have fun with that.

Let's compare:

SS supports people's right to secede and does not force people to be a part of his nation.

You call me an enemy of Liberty for suggesting that people should be allowed to form voluntary associations that resemble nations.

Who's really the liberty supporter between the two???

 

[CCTelander]

Let's compare:

SS supports people's right to secede and does not force people to be a part of his nation.

You call me an enemy of Liberty for suggesting that people should be allowed to form voluntary associations that resemble nations.

Who's really the liberty supporter between the two???

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I have never said anything of the kind. I 100% support anyone forming voluntary associations and always have.

Coming on here and arguing in favor of tariffs, trade bans and various other central planning is NOT arguing for anything voluntary. ALL of those things are imposed by force. You continually support them, thus anti-liberty.

And the very idea that Swordy actually supports your right to secede, sincerely, is ludicrous. But you believe what you want.

Now, I hope this clears any confusion you might have had about my position on voluntary association. Any further inaccuracies in representing it will be considered deliberate lies.

And as for YOUR support for voluntary association goes, it seems non-existent based upon a lot of your comments.

 

[TheTexan]

Coming on here and arguing in favor of tariffs, trade bans and various other central planning is NOT arguing for anything voluntary. ALL of those things are imposed by force. You continually support them, thus anti-liberty.

To be clear, are you saying that tariffs and trade bans are always imposed by force and inherently Anti-liberty? Or is there some condition or quality of this country that makes it so?

And as for YOUR support for voluntary association goes, it seems non-existent based upon a lot of your comments.

Now that almost seems like a deliberate lie. I have consistently held that the right to voluntarily associate, and conversely, the right to disassociate (e.g. secession) are the only rights that even matter, because all other rights are derived from them.

Any further such comment that I dont support voluntary association will likewise be considered a deliberate lie.

 

[nikcers]

We already pay more for American brands.

We pay more for something simply because it's trendy or fashionable and especially because it's American.

People buy the apple phone not the Chinese brand that costs half the price.

So the argument that people cant make profit selling American products isnt real.

The question is why do we keep getting suckered into thinking that we can take the government out of the market and then argue for policies that don't benefit the American people in order to get the government out of the market even though the government just gets more involved?

The free trade argument where the government is involved in the market but we send jobs overseas and people here get screwed by open borders is a loser.

 

[TheTexan]

People buy the apple phone not the Chinese brand that costs half the price.

The apple phone is the chinese brand.

Made in China. "Assembled" in America.

 

[Acala]

Nothing is certain but change. Just as the Japanese went from producing cheap junk to being a world leader in the most demanding manufacturing, China is no longer just producing junk. I recently bought a Willsenton tube amp made in china and the thing is a work of art. But at the same time their quality is improving, their advantages are slipping. Their labor costs are going up and they are losing market share to other Asian countries like Vietnam and Thailand and also to Mexico. Additionally, manufacturing was already moving back to the USA due to Amazon's demand for overnight delivery that cannot be met by manufacturers that have to ship their product by sea. Factories are popping up around amazon distro centers just to service them. Another factor is the collapse of Chinese worker incentive. You can't get a straight story through the media, but young Chinese people are at the end of their rope - and in ever increasing numbers that is a literal description. China can no more continue its current path producing goods than the USA can continue to produce paper lies. Hard to say how it will all shake out, but tariffs are not going to restore the America once built by the now lost legacy of freedom and China is not going to rule the world by whipping its children to death.

 

[TheTexan]

Nothing is certain but change. Just as the Japanese went from producing cheap junk to being a world leader in the most demanding manufacturing, China is no longer just producing junk. I recently bought a Willsenton tube amp made in china and the thing is a work of art. But at the same time their quality is improving, their advantages are slipping. Their labor costs are going up and they are losing market share to other Asian countries like Vietnam and Thailand and also to Mexico. Additionally, manufacturing was already moving back to the USA due to Amazon's demand for overnight delivery that cannot be met by manufacturers that have to ship their product by sea. Factories are popping up around amazon distro centers just to service them. Another factor is the collapse of Chinese worker incentive. You can't get a straight story through the media, but young Chinese people are at the end of their rope - and in ever increasing numbers that is a literal description. China can no more continue its current path producing goods than the USA can continue to produce paper lies. Hard to say how it will all shake out, but tariffs are not going to restore the America once built by the now lost legacy of freedom and China is not going to rule the world by whipping its children to death.

According to most data sets, the numbers don't seem to conclusively support or deny this theory you've presented. China is still growing rapidly. Some countries, like Mexico, are keeping pace in terms of growth but cannot really be said to be taking market share. Others you mentioned, are not keeping pace according to the data available (up to 2023 usually).



Maybe these factors you mention will have a stronger effect in the years to come, but I don't think so.



I think Mexico is primarily assembling stuff that is made in China. That's what the US does.



And Vietnam and Thailand will never have the scale to compete with China.



Time will tell I suppose. I think that the supply and logistics networks it has built will be a massive economic advantage for them in the decades to come, and that advantage will eclipse any labor cost advantages that other countries can offer.



I do think lower labor cost countries will continue to grow in terms of assembling. But not manufacturing.

 

[acptulsa]

People buy the apple phone not the Chinese brand that costs half the price.

Overgeneralization-O-Matic

 

[acptulsa]

China is no longer just producing junk. I

Of course they do, Overgeneralization-O-Matic bot. That's just not all they make.

You'd know that if a bot could drink coffee.

 

[nikcers]

The apple phone is the chinese brand.

Made in China. "Assembled" in America.