EVs can't work, and are just stepping stones to banning all personal transportation

[69360]

Hertz just dumped their whole fleet of rental Teslas. Too expensive to maintain.

 

[CaptUSA]

Hertz just dumped their whole fleet of rental Teslas. Too expensive to maintain.

You have no idea... lol.

This has ripple effects into the used EV markets, too.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Something else to keep in mind: when you expose a discharged battery to sub zero temps, you will damage or destroy it.


‘A Bunch of Dead Robots:’ Frigid Chicago Temps Turn EV Charging Stations into ‘Car Graveyards’

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2024...urn-ev-charging-stations-into-car-graveyards/

LUCAS NOLAN 16 Jan 2024

A surge of stranded electric vehicles, predominantly Tesla cars, has overtaken the Oak Brook Supercharger station in Chicago, as a severe cold snap renders many EVs powerless and immobile.

Fox 32 reports that the recent wave of freezing temperatures in Chicago has taken a significant toll on EVs, causing an unusual scene at the Oak Brook Tesla Supercharging station. This station, along with many others around the Chicago area, has been crowded with dead Teslas, as owners face difficulties in charging their vehicles​​.

Tesla owner Tyler Beard experienced firsthand the challenges posed by the cold weather. Having tried to recharge his Tesla since Sunday afternoon, he was met with frustration, stating, “Nothing. No juice. Still on zero percent.” His charging dificulties stem from the impact subzero temperatures have on EV batteries, a problem Breitbart News has covered extensively in the past. From angry Tesla owners sharing videos of their cars failing to start to owners having to charge their vehicles six times in one day due to massively reduced battery performance, Tesla cars simply can’t handle the winter in a major portion of North America.

Beard’s experience was not unique, as many others at the Oak Brook station faced similar issues, leading to long lines and abandoned cars​​. The situation was summarized by another Tesla owner, Chalis Mizelle, who abandoned her car and had to seek alternative transportation: “This is crazy. It’s a disaster. Seriously.”

Another man described the situation, stating: “We got a bunch of dead robots out here.” The impact of the cold weather was more than an inconvenience for some. Kevin Sumrak, landing at O’Hare to find his Tesla unresponsive, had to resort to hiring a flatbed tow truck in search of a working charging station.

While Tesla did not respond to inquiries from FOX 32, a local car expert, Mark Bilek of the Chicago Auto Trade Association, commented: “Like any new technology, there’s a learning curve for people. It’s not plug and go. You have to precondition the battery, meaning that you have to get the battery up to the optimal temperature to accept a fast charge.”

 

[ClaytonB]

 

[CaptUSA]

ETA: I'm in Los Angeles right now attending an EV conference. These people are completely deluded.

But... what I think you may find interesting is that up on the podiums and at the booths, the conversation is VERY pro-EV, pro-mandate and pro-subsidy of every sort. But around the lunch tables, side conversations, and washroom talk, reality is beginning to become apparent.

In other words, most of these people KNOW they're selling a line of bullshit - but they still sell it. I even had one person tell me directly, "I can say this as a person, but I can't say it representative of my company." These are the people running the projectors in Plato's cave.

 

[ClaytonB]

These are the people running the projectors in Plato's cave.

 

[Anti Federalist]

A Scotty Kilmer "short".

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/t5iSap6XQKQ?feature=share

 

[CaptUSA]

Ford loses $47,000 per EV sold as electric bet backfires

https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/companies/tale-of-two-car-giants-ford-loses-47k-per-ev-sold-as-electric-bet-backfires-while-gas-hybrid-pioneer-toyota-is-set-to-enjoy-record-profits/ar-BB1hYXRi

In 2024, it lost an enormous $4.7 billion, Ford revealed in its fourth-quarter earnings report. This year, it expects total losses to increase to between $5 billion and $5.5 billion.

Guess where they make up the difference???

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Ford loses $47,000 per EV sold as electric bet backfires

https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/companies/tale-of-two-car-giants-ford-loses-47k-per-ev-sold-as-electric-bet-backfires-while-gas-hybrid-pioneer-toyota-is-set-to-enjoy-record-profits/ar-BB1hYXRi



Guess where they make up the difference???

F-150's?

 

[CaptUSA]

F-150's?

That's right. Combustion vehicles. Subsidizing the losses from the cultists' vision.

Kinda funny really... If combustion vehicles weren't there to pay for EV's, there wouldn't be EV's.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

That's right. Combustion vehicles. Subsidizing the losses from the cultists' vision.

Kinda funny really... If combustion vehicles weren't there to pay for EV's, there wouldn't be EV's.

BRB gonna go buy me a 70K truck... dang gum inflation - stupid corporations tryin' to rob us all the time! :lol:

 

[CaptUSA]

For the Environment!!

French recycling plant on fire housing 900 tonnes of lithium batteries

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/french-recycling-plant-on-fire-housing-900-tonnes-of-lithium-batteries/ar-BB1itX1u

PARIS (Reuters) - Some 900 tonnes of lithium batteries were on fire at a battery recycling plant in southern France, authorities said on Sunday, sending a cloud of thick black smoke into the sky above the site.

The fire broke out on Saturday in a warehouse owned by French recycling group SNAM in Viviez, north of Toulouse, local councillor Pascal Mazet said in a statement on X.

 

[CaptUSA]

And to the point of this thread... Here's a tasty little insight into what's coming.

Will America ever stop building more highways?

https://news.yahoo.com/america-ever-stop-building-more-180932096.html#

For decades, the United States has built and expanded a 220,000-mile network of state and interstate highways, easing cross-country travel while dividing cities and boosting suburban sprawl.

But as the planet warms, some activists are fighting back - citing the future emissions of adding lanes and the devastation faced by communities razed to make way for them. Their push against giant multilane highways represents an emerging frontier for the environmental movement, which has historically been more focused on fossil fuel projects than seven-lane roads.

“We don’t often think of it in those terms, but expanding highways is essentially like building new oil pipelines,” said Ben Crowther, the policy director for America Walks. “It increases emissions in the same way.”

Last week, a coalition of almost 200 groups called for a nationwide moratorium on expanding highways - citing their environmental harm and the forced relocation of nearby low-income communities of color. A new national group called the Freeway Fighters is uniting local ones under one umbrella, helping activists learn from each other on how to slow expansion - from an almost $10 billion project to widen Interstate 45 around downtown Houston to a plan to enlarge Interstate 5 around Portland, Ore.

It might seem to be an improbable fight for a country long known for its “love affair” with the car. But with the United States aiming to cut emissions to zero by 2050 - and less than 1 percent of cars on the road electric - activists say America’s main transportation system has to change.

Historically, much of America’s public money spent on transportation has gone to highways. In 2017, $177 billion in public money went to highways, according to the Congressional Budget Office, more than double the $75 billion spent on mass transit and rail infrastructure. Even now, with many of the nation’s highways in disrepair, about 20 to 30 percent of all public highway spending goes to expansion, rather than programs to fix and repair existing roads.

State and local transportation officials say highway expansions can help relieve traffic jams, improve road safety and boost economic development. If planned correctly, they also argue that such projects can boost bus movement and ride-sharing.

Jim Tymon, executive director of the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials, said in a statement that each state transportation department “uses a wide variety of strategies to advance safety, mobility, and access across the state and in every community.”

But experts argue that expansion projects do little to reduce traffic congestion - and add to the country’s climate problems. Almost 30 percent of U.S. carbon emissions come from transportation - most of it from cars and trucks. While interstate highways make up only around 1 percent of the nation’s roads, they carry around a quarter of its traffic.

“We continue to spend significant amounts of money at the federal level and at the state level expanding our highway networks,” said Tony Dutzik, a senior policy analyst with Frontier Group. “Given the climate issues that we are already facing - and the fact that we are already building out a massive highway network around the country - I think it’s legitimate to ask whether that’s the right set of priorities.”

One of the arguments against such expansions is the theory that adding more lanes just leads to more traffic - what economists call “induced demand.” Sitting in traffic on a highway during rush hour may seem like an advertisement for expanding the highway - after all, more lanes allow a greater flow of traffic. Under that logic, traffic operates a bit like water through a pipe: The larger the pipe, the more water can get through.

But economists and traffic engineers say that’s not a good analogy. When lanes are added to a highway - or any road, for that matter - more cars arrive to fill the available space. People might decide to drive more, or the expansion might further develop an area and encourage people to move in.

“Induced demand is just what happens when you increase supply,” said Matthew Turner, a professor of economics at Brown University. In 2009, Turner and his colleague Gilles Duranton published a paper showing that vehicle miles traveled in U.S. cities increased “in exact proportion” to highways. The result has since been replicated in Japan, China and many countries around the world, including in Europe. “It looks like this is a fact about the world,” Turner said.

Turner says that this doesn’t mean building a highway is always the wrong choice - but that building a highway to reduce congestion is not effective. “If you are trying to build to reduce road congestion, you should stop,” he said. “If you are trying to add road congestion to facilitate people moving around, that’s a whole different thing.”

But anti-highway activists say this link between bigger roads and more highway traffic - combined with the heavy pollution burden on communities - should take expansions off the table.

Some environmentalists also say they feel betrayed that the Biden administration is not spending all of the approximately $350 billion in highway funding in the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law on repairing existing highways.

According to the American Road and Transportation Builders Association, more than 20 percent of the funding, which is spread out over five years, so far has gone to expanding or widening roads. An additional 6 percent has funded new construction. According to the U.S. Public Interest Research Group, 17 of the 20 largest highway projects supported by the infrastructure law include expansions.

“This money could have been used to change the status quo,” Crowther of America Walks said. “Instead, we’ve seen a doubling down on new highway projects.”

“The Biden-Harris Administration has taken the strongest actions of any Administration in history to reduce carbon pollution in transportation,” Samantha Keitt, a spokesperson for the Federal Highway Administration, said in an email. She pointed to funding in the infrastructure law for electric buses, EV charging stations, and bicycle and pedestrian projects.

President Biden’s 2022 Inflation Reduction Act also included money to tear down highways that divided communities. But that program only has $1 billion in dedicated funds - a tiny sliver of the tens of billions of dollars going to expanding existing highways.

The Biden administration has encouraged the adoption of electric cars as a path to meeting climate goals. But it will be difficult to deploy EVs fast enough to completely remove emissions from transportation. According to one study in the journal Nature Climate Change, 90 percent of vehicles would need to be electric by 2050 to meet climate goals. And even if EV adoption accelerates dramatically, many gas-powered cars will still be on the road by mid-century.

Beyond the climate impact, activists argue that highways displace communities of color and expose neighborhoods to deadly air pollution. According to one analysis of data from the National Air Toxics Assessment, the risk of respiratory illness is 3.4 times higher for people living less than one mile from a highway than for those living more than 10 miles away.

“We’re thinking about air quality and what it does to people’s bodies,” said Ally Smither, a singer and an organizer for Stop TxDOT I-45, a group opposing the Houston highway expansion.

Coalitions resisting highway expansions can include a range of different groups - community efforts, environmental groups and other civic organizations. In the push to stop the widening of I-45, neighborhood groups are joined by public health advocates, bike organizations and the local chapter of the youth-led Sunrise Movement.

Kendra London, a Houston activist and the founder of Our Afrikan Family, learned about the expansion project four years ago. Since then, she has hosted community meetings and scheduled bike tours to show the houses and residents who will be displaced if the project, which is estimated to demolish over 1,000 homes, goes through. “We’re left out of too many vital conversations,” London said.

Activists have rallied hundreds of highway opponents at public meetings and protested outside of state transportation offices. Other groups file civil rights lawsuits or complaints under the National Environmental Policy Act, which triggers stringent reviews for many major projects.

“Turn out as many people as you possibly can and put up a show of force,” Crowther said.

Some states are challenging the status quo outright. The Colorado Department of Transportation has set strict emissions targets in response to a 2019 law. The new rules require the state to analyze how highway expansions would increase emissions - including induced demand - and offset those increases with transit, bike or pedestrian projects elsewhere.

Matt Frommer, a senior transportation associate at the Southwest Energy Efficiency Project, said the rules had helped block an expansion of Interstate 25 after the state realized that the project would exceed new pollution limits.

The state plans to spend some of the hundreds of millions of dollars saved on bus and transit projects.

Stepping stones, indeed.

 

[acptulsa]

 

[GomerPile]

Wasn't this already debunked? I think it was even this thread....

A coal plant that has been running for 50 years will run a while longer to make sure this new battery plant has enough power. Will be replaced by gas turbines.

This is the real world where you can't just click your heels together and conjure up a battery factory.

 

[acptulsa]

Wasn't this already debunked? I think it was even this thread....

Nope.

A coal plant that has been running for 50 years will run a while longer to make sure this new battery plant has enough power. Will be replaced by gas turbines.

That's what the image i posted and you quoted says. Did you really think I was implying that a new coal-fired plant would be built?

This is the real world where you can't just click your heels together and conjure up a battery factory.

Can't just click your heels together and turn all this EV nonsense green, either. It all exists within an existing infrastructure, and the fact that this new infrastructure is being built in an area that can't keep it running "sustainably" just points up all the hypocrisy involved.

If the stated goals were the real goals, they'd actually be trying to achieve the stated goals, not making excuses, and plans to burn a different fuel which also contains carbon.

 

[CaptUSA]

that can't keep it running "sustainably"...

See? That's the most important part of this... If the market isn't self-sustaining, it's not "sustainable". The only way EV's are even a topic is because there are powerful interests that are stealing our wealth in order to offset all the financial losses. Government uses taxes and debt to prop up the industry. Institutional investors use the central-bank printed money. And the losses are STILL piling up!

Those losses manifest in financial losses, energy efficiency losses, environmental losses, and time losses. It's a complete misallocation of OUR resources! And idiots like Gomer fall for it all.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

lol the EV market is literally crumbling and clowns are still running in to buttress it... some people must have some big dollars invested, methinks...

 

[CaptUSA]

lol the EV market is literally crumbling and clowns are still running in to buttress it... some people must have some big dollars invested, methinks...

It's a religion to these people. They bought the myth that EV's were going to save the planet and it makes them feel better about themselves. They don't care who they hurt in their pursuit of salvation.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

It's a religion to these people. They bought the myth that EV's were going to save the planet and it makes them feel better about themselves. They don't care who they hurt in their pursuit of salvation.

Yep. And all the while the "Climate Change" narrative is literally crumbling all around them. It's absurd that they're holding to it at this point, especially given the research that is emerging regarding historic temperatures and CO2 levels, as well as the effects that CO2 levels are having on overall greening of the planet.

This is a self-made mania, and if left uncontrolled, it will lead to the collapse of human civilization well before any atmospheric changes ever would!