EVs can't work, and are just stepping stones to banning all personal transportation

[GomerPile]

We told you so...

Because there is no way to block access to petrol pumps.....

 

[Dr.3D]

Because there is no way to block access to petrol pumps.....

Has nothing to do with access to fuel, but about access to money.

 

[acptulsa]

Has nothing to do with access to fuel, but about access to money.

Or access to a still and a lot of grain.

 

[GomerPile]

Has nothing to do with access to fuel, but about access to money.

So you mean they can ban access to fuel for EV's and ICE cars? wow! Maybe someone should change the title of this thread.

In a government lockdown....who will have an easier time fueling up their car?

 

[CaptUSA]

Tesla’s latest Autopilot recall update affects nearly every vehicle in the US

https://www.popsci.com/technology/tesla-recall/

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has issued a sweeping recall affecting nearly every Tesla sold in the US due to safety flaws within the vehicles’ Autopilot systems. About two million vehicles will receive over-the-air software updates in the coming days to address the company’s latest setback in its ongoing “Full Self-Driving” project.

According to the federal authority’s December 12 announcement, the electric vehicle company’s flagship, increasingly criticized “driver-assistance feature” reportedly fails to properly ensure drivers remain attentive and in control of their EVs. Because of this, the NHTSA determined “in certain circumstances when Autosteer is engaged, the prominence and scope of the feature’s controls may not be sufficient to prevent driver misuse.” As a result, Tesla vehicles with the outdated Autopilot system enabled could fail to properly guard against potential accidents.

The update will apply to all Model X, Model S, Model 3, and Model Y cars manufactured between October 5, 2012, and December 7, 2023. Once installed, the latest Autorsteer version will reportedly “further encourage the driver to adhere to their continuous driving responsibility” via additional controls and alerts, as well as limit where the feature can be activated.

The sweeping recall is the latest blow to Tesla’s long standing promise to soon offer customers a suite of fully autonomous vehicles. The Full Self-Driving program has faced years of pushback from vehicle safety regulators and industry critics over its safety record, efficacy, and overall capabilities. Prior to this week’s recall, Autopilot was advertised as a “hands-on driver assistance system” intended only for use while operators maintained constant attention on the road.

“It does not turn a Tesla into a self-driving car nor does it make a car autonomous,” reads the company’s own description.

As Wired notes, Tesla drivers must agree to “maintain control and responsibility” for their EV while Autopilot is engaged. When activated, the feature offers a scalable number of audio and visual warnings when a driver is detected to have removed their hands from the steering wheel. Autopilot will automatically shut off for the rest of a trip if too many alerts are triggered.

Despite these caveats, Tesla CEO Elon Musk has long promised the imminent arrival of autonomous Tesla EVs. In October 2022, Tesla CEO Elon Musk told investors during a call that Full Self-Driving would soon allow drivers to travel, “to your work, your friend’s house, to the grocery store without you touching the wheel,” before cautioning, “we’re not saying that that’s quite ready to have no one behind the wheel.”

Aside from the multiple recall alerts in recent years, the Department of Justice is also investigating whether or not Tesla and its CEO repeatedly misled investors and consumers about Autopilot’s capabilities. In a demonstration video still available on Tesla’s website, a person is shown sitting in the driver’s seat without their hands on the steering wheel as the car navigates a public road.

“The person in the driver’s seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself,” reads a video subheading.
As The Register reported earlier this week, Tesla lawyers recently responded to a separate, similar investigation by the state of California into false and misleading Autopilot claims—according to the company’s legal team, Tesla continues to operate within its First Amendment right to free speech.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Tesla’s latest Autopilot recall update affects nearly every vehicle in the US

https://www.popsci.com/technology/tesla-recall/

Lol. So the recall has nothing to do with the effectiveness of the self driving function, the recall is about forcing more monitoring of the driver. Figures.

 

[CaptUSA]

Lol. So the recall has nothing to do with the effectiveness of the self driving function, the recall is about forcing more monitoring of the driver. Figures.

Yeah, their leader is on the bad side of the narratives... They'll keep coming after him in any way they can.

To be clear, though, Tesla has multiple cameras facing inside and outside the vehicle and they have access to all the footage. They were even passing around footage of people having sex inside the vehicles. This issue isn't about monitoring the drivers more - they do that constantly - it's about disabling functionality of the vehicles based on the behaviors of drivers.

 

[acptulsa]

So you mean they can ban access to fuel for EV's and ICE cars? wow! Maybe someone should change the title of this thread.

In a government lockdown....who will have an easier time fueling up their car?

The one who has to do it less often. How obvious is that?

 

[CaptUSA]

In a government lockdown....who will have an easier time fueling up their car?

The ones drinking their koolaid??

 

[Dr.3D]

The one who has to do it less often. How obvious is that?

I have one thing to say....

"Wood gas"

 

[TheCount]

Yeah, their leader is on the bad side of the narratives... They'll keep coming after him in any way they can.

To be clear, though, Tesla has multiple cameras facing inside and outside the vehicle and they have access to all the footage. They were even passing around footage of people having sex inside the vehicles. This issue isn't about monitoring the drivers more - they do that constantly - it's about disabling functionality of the vehicles based on the behaviors of drivers.

The issue is with the name: autopilot.

If you sell people an autopilot but then state in the fine print that the autopilot will run over kids and smash into fire trucks if you don't monitor it constantly, you're going to open yourself up to legal problems.

 

[acptulsa]

The issue is with the name: autopilot.

If you sell people an autopilot but then state in the fine print that the autopilot will run over kids and smash into fire trucks if you don't monitor it constantly, you're going to open yourself up to legal problems.

Obviously not.

The issue is, Teslas were sold as "self driving". I could search up several threads, if your memory doesn't go back as far as last year...

 

[Anti Federalist]

Because there is no way to block access to petrol pumps.....

Can't store a bunch of electrons in an old heating oil tank, like I used to do, before a tragic shop fire burned all my supplies and ammo up.

 

[GomerPile]

The issue is with the name: autopilot.

Autopilot has been in planes and boats for decades......what function does it provide in those vehicles?

 

[GomerPile]

Can't store a bunch of electrons in an old heating oil tank, like I used to do, before a tragic shop fire burned all my supplies and ammo up.

But you can make them yourself about 10 different ways. The cheapest being solar panels that will last for 20 years.

 

[acptulsa]

Autopilot has been in planes and boats for decades......what function does it provide in those vehicles?

Dunno. What decade are you talking about? Certainly the original Sperry gyroscopic Auto-Pilot™ couldn't tell you which way Cleveland was.

 

[CaptUSA]

White House threatens to veto anti-EV bill just passed by US House
The bill would prevent the EPA from enforcing tougher new pollution standards.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/12/white-house-threatens-to-veto-anti-ev-bill-just-passed-by-us-house/

The White House's plan to boost electric vehicle adoption came under heavy fire in Congress on Wednesday. Five Democratic Representatives joined the Republican majority to pass a bill that would prohibit the US Environmental Protection Agency from enacting stricter new corporate average fuel efficiency regulations that would require automakers to sell many more EVs by the year 2032.

Its passage in the House follows a letter-writing campaign by some US auto dealers to get the White House to abandon its climate targets as the dealers say they find it too difficult to sell electric vehicles...

...HR 4468, also known as the Choice in Automobile Retail Sales Act 2023, passed the US House 221 votes to 197. A pair of Texas Democrats (Henry Cuellar and Vicente Gonzales), as well as Jared Golden (D-Maine), Donald Davis (D-N.C.), and Mary Peltola (D-Alaska) all voted with the Republican Party.

The bill's language is rather short and to the point. It says the EPA cannot "finalize, implement, or enforce" new vehicle pollution regulations that are meant to go into effect in 2027.

The bill also says the EPA regulations cannot "mandate the use of any specific technology" or "result in limited availability of new motor vehicles based on the type of new motor vehicle engine in such new motor vehicles."

The White House strongly condemned the legislation, which it says would "catastrophically impair" the EPA's ability to regulate vehicle pollution, and President Joe Biden has threatened to veto the bill should it pass the Senate and be sent to his desk.

 

[GomerPile]

No you mental midget....autopilot maintains a heading, speed, and/or altitude and nothing else. If there is a mountain or a sandbar in the way you just hit it.

Modern systems have expanded on these basic capabilities with waypoints, glide slope, etc. In the end autopilot systems are convenience features, not autonomous features.

In a car autopilot maintains distance (speed) and stays in the lane markings.

Dunno. What decade are you talking about? Certainly the original Sperry gyroscopic Auto-Pilot™ couldn't tell you which way Cleveland was.

 

[acptulsa]

No you mental midget....

Sooo... Why did you name yourself after a nice, polite gentleman again? Just curious.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Sooo... Why did you name yourself after a nice, polite gentleman again? Just curious.

Well, in French his name is Gomer Battery