EVs can't work, and are just stepping stones to banning all personal transportation

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It must be noted that investor-owned utilities have an obligation to serve, regardless of the power requirements. It's just a matter of how long it will take to build. For the case of commercial EV charging depots, the demands are HUGE. So, it will take years of planning, then permitting, then construction. A typical large industrial site could take 3-8 years to get it energized, depending on where it's located on the grid and the available Tx capacity. And that's if the materials for the substations are readily available and there is space. Now, if you have multiple sites in the planning stages simultaneously, they complicate themselves because the planners are not looking at single transmission lines, but rather system-wide impacts. This will take decades.

To Elon's point, he's right that the system is built to the peak demand. But he's selling Tesla batteries as the solution. That's even MORE expensive than just increasing the amount of generation. There are lower cost storage solutions (like pumped hydro), but there would still need to be a revolution in grid spending to accomplish this feat. You're talking about doubling or tripling the capacity of a 130-year old machine - the electric grid - in a few years??? Not gonna happen.

Patti and I are acquaintances (we connected years ago when she was at Consumers Energy - she had John Mackey's book Conscious Capitalism on her shelf and we struck up a conversation). Remember that her job now is to please the institutional investor community. Her engineers are more reasonable.

:up: I have no connections in this space, I just heard the clip of Elon saying, "We will triple the electrical grid" and I was blown away.... I'm just envisioning triple power-poles running everywhere and thinking how ridiculous that is. Obviously, that's satire, but still, the idea that somebody could just wave a wand and triple the capacity of the electrical grid is bonkers.
 
...still, the idea that somebody could just wave a wand and triple the capacity of the electrical grid is bonkers.

And since I think we can assume they aren't that stupid, could it be they are calculating to either strip two thirds of the population of cars, or simply kill that many outright?
 
And since I think we can assume they aren't that stupid, could it be they are calculating to either strip two thirds of the population of cars, or simply kill that many outright?

This is the discussion happening now in the industry. It's nuts.

For personal cars, EV's drive about 60% of the miles of an ICE vehicle. (think about that for a minute - it's a 2nd car for most people who own one. They pay full price for 60% of the miles) They're counting that as a benefit, but more and more, they talk openly that "we" need to move around less. More public transportation. More walking and biking. But more importantly, more staying at home. It's for the Earth, y'know!!
 
And since I think we can assume they aren't that stupid, could it be they are calculating to either strip two thirds of the population of cars, or simply kill that many outright?

Based on history, I have concluded that it is difficult to overestimate their stupidity...
 
Just to give you an idea, 30, 50 trucks, that's like a five, six megawatt application. The factory that makes the trucks is a two megawatt factory.”

Well, I'll be dipped, you don't say.
 
...But more importantly, more staying at home. It's for the Earth, y'know!!

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New Consumers Reports Auto Reliability Study:
https://www.consumerreports.org/media-room/press-releases/2023/11/electric-vehicles-are-improving-but-charging-and-battery-issues-persist-in-consumer-reports-2023-annual-auto-reliability-survey/

YONKERS, NY — Consumers are buying electric vehicles in growing numbers, but poor reliability remains an issue, according to the latest Annual Auto Reliability Survey data from Consumer Reports (CR), the nonprofit research, testing, and consumer advocacy organization. Electric pickups in particular are the least reliable category of vehicles.

On average, new EVs have 79 percent more problems than ICE vehicles. Plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEV) fare even worse with an average of 146 percent more problems. Hybrids, on the other hand, continue to be a bright spot. They experience 26 percent fewer problems than ICE vehicles on average, according to CR’s survey.

It's starting to get ridiculous with all the reality facing the "EV Transition". 79% MORE reliability problems when you're driving the vehicle 40% fewer miles! They're piling up on car lots. The cost shifts from poorer Americans to richer Americans are growing. The financial losses in the industry are staggering.

At some point, the camel's back will give out.
 
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What is the point of the segment if more electric cars reduce demand for oil?

Do more electric cars reduce the demand for oil? Gas? They increase the demand for electricity. What do you suppose they're going to make it from? Unicorn farts?

Liberals think we can make up the entire shortfall with green stuff without transforming entire swaths of farmland and/or natural habitat into bird-chopping no-fly windmill zones. Do you think that will work?
 
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Do more electric cars reduce the demand for oil? Gas? They increase the demand for electricity. What do you suppose they're going to make it from? Unicorn farts?

Liberals think we can make up the entire shortfall with green stuff without transforming entire swaths of farmland and/or natural habitat into bird-chopping no-fly windmill zones. Do you think that will work?
Did you watch that interview? The expert that called in to claim that EV's don't work then stated that they reduce the use of oil.
 

https://twitter.com/JohnStossel/status/1729909583949201571

Car Dealers Warn Biden: ‘Unrealistic’ Green Agenda Must Be Abandoned, Americans Not Buying Electric Cars

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2...abandoned-americans-not-buying-electric-cars/

JOHN BINDER 29 Nov 2023

Car dealers across the United States are warning President Joe Biden that his “unrealistic” green energy agenda must be abandoned, mainly because Americans are not buying Electric Vehicles (EVs) as the administration expected.

Executives with car dealerships from Massachusetts to Alabama to Wyoming sent a letter to Biden this week, urging his administration to drop EV mandates and green energy requirements on the auto industry, citing a lack of interest among American consumers in EVs.

“… we are asking you to slow down your proposed regulations mandating battery electric vehicle (BEV) production and distribution,” the car dealers tell Biden:

Your administration has proposed regulations that would essentially mandate a dramatic shift to battery electric vehicles (BEVs), increasing year after year until 2032, when two out of every three vehicles sold in America would have to be battery electric. [Emphasis added]



The reality, however, is that electric vehicle demand today is not keeping up with the large influx of BEVs arriving at our dealerships prompted by the current regulations. BEVs are stacking up on our lots. [Emphasis added]

According to the car dealers, “enthusiasm has stalled” with EVs and the number of unsold EVs sitting on dealership lots are piling up “even with deep price cuts, manufacturer incentives, and generous government incentives.”

“With each passing day, it becomes more apparent that this attempted electric vehicle mandate is unrealistic based on current and forecasted customer demand,” the car dealers write to Biden. “Already, electric vehicles are stacking up on our lots which is our best indicator of customer demand in the marketplace.”

Americans are mostly concerned with the cost of EVs, the car dealers write, as well as the unavailability of charging stations, the time it takes to charge an EV, and the loss of driving range depending on the weather and towing.

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“Today’s current technology is not adequate to support the needs of the majority of our consumers,” they write:

Many of these challenges can and will be addressed by our manufacturers, but many of these challenges are outside of their control. Reliable charging networks, electric grid stability, sourcing of materials, and many other issues need time to resolve. And finally, many people just want to make their own choice about what vehicle is right for them. [Emphasis added]

Mr. President, it is time to tap the brakes on the unrealistic government electric vehicle mandate. Allow time for the battery technology to advance. Allow time to make BEVs more affordable. Allow time to develop domestic sources for the minerals to make batteries. Allow time for the charging infrastructure to be built and prove reliable. And most of all, allow time for the American consumer to get comfortable with the technology and make the choice to buy an electric vehicle. [Emphasis added]

Auto industry experts who spoke to Axios said their dealerships have struggled to sell EVs. Mickey Anderson, whose firm owns dealerships in Colorado, Missouri, and Nebraska, said Ford’s F-150 Lightning all-electric pickup truck is their latest hard sell.

Last year, for instance, the firm’s dealerships sold just 25 of the all-electric trucks out of about 1,000 F-series trucks sold.

“We’ve been far too focused on the Tesla buyer, the well-heeled one-to-two percenters,” Anderson told Axios. “We’re forgetting about the people where a car is not a luxury, it’s a necessity.”

Likewise, dealerships in North Carolina told Axios they are similarly unable to get EVs off their lots. Instead, the cars are collecting dust.

“If people were dying to have EVs, it’d be great because I could sell them,” Toyota dealership owner Mary Rice told Axios. “Instead, I’m going be at the end of the year with this car no one wants. There’s no amount of money that makes sense for an EV here.”

Across, the nation, the data on EV sales tell the same story.

Data from Edmunds.com found in September 2022, EVs sat on dealership lots for just 21 days before they were sold. Today, EVs are sitting on dealership lots for 65 days.
 
Seems like Tesla is number 1 in America for made in the USA. Also seems like Tesla Model Y and Model 3 are rated pretty darn high on reliability. With that said, all EV's are not the same. I think some were boasting of the greatness of some EV's before the political push.
 
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