EVs can't work, and are just stepping stones to banning all personal transportation

When I worked on the railroad in PA, I ran the EMD-SW1500. 1500 hp electro-magnetic diesel. The diesel engine charged the lead acid batteries and those powered the motor. 1.2 megawatts of output. Electric motors are very responsive and very efficient. But the diesel did the work of giving the power to those batteries! lol - today, they'd call that a hybrid.

(interestingly, when the diesel engine cut out, you could still run off the batteries - for about a minute or so, depending on the load :D)

I wish I could start a retirement career running locomotives.
 
I have a good battery powered blower. Dual batteries. It pretty much runs out of juice before I am done, every time.

Last week I forgot to charge the battery after the last cut and it was still able to cut the whole yard again. I have about 6000 sq ft of grass to cut.
 
"I love it when people say that Ayn Rand's villains were too over-the-top and unrealistic." -- Michael Malice


They can do it ... somehow ...

“The problem of production, they tell you, has been solved and deserves no study or concern; the only problem left for your 'reflexes' to solve is now the problem of distribution. Who solved the problem of production? Humanity, they answer. What was the solution ? The goods are here. How did they get here? Somehow. What caused it? Nothing has causes."
-- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged [bold emphasis added]​

“You can make it work.”
“How?”
Mr. Thompson spread his hands out. “I don’t know. If I did, I wouldn’t come to you. It’s for you to figure out. You’re the industrial genius. You can solve anything.”
“I said it can’t be done.”
“You could do it.”
“How?”
“Somehow.” He heard Galt’s chuckle [...]

-- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged [bold emphasis added]​
 
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"I love it when people say that Ayn Rand's villains were too over-the-top and unrealistic." -- Michael Malice



“The problem of production, they tell you, has been solved and deserves no study or concern; the only problem left for your 'reflexes' to solve is now the problem of distribution. Who solved the problem of production? Humanity, they answer. What was the solution ? The goods are here. How did they get here? Somehow. What caused it? Nothing has causes." -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

“You can make it work.”
“How?”
Mr. Thompson spread his hands out. “I don’t know. If I did, I wouldn’t come to you. It’s for you to figure out. You’re the industrial genius. You can solve anything.”
“I said it can’t be done.”
“You could do it.”
“How?”
“Somehow.” He heard Galt’s chuckle [...]
-- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

"Taggart Transcontinental is a delicate piece of precision machinery. It will not last long without you. It cannot be run by slave labor. They will mercifully destroy it for you and you won't have to see it serving the looters. But copper mining is a simpler job. D'Anconia Copper could have lasted for generations of looters and slaves. Crudely, miserably, ineptly—but it could have lasted and helped them to last. I had to destroy it myself." - Francisco d'Anconia

Apropos to the topic. ;)
 
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...cars-could-be-about-to-break-the-grip-of-suvs
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Here in Connecticut there is an incentive program where acceptance into it ends June 7, 24. There are different choices.

Basically the utility company will pay the EV owner monthly to charge their EV in off peak hours.

With the solar I purchased, there was an incentive program at the time I bought solar and got connected that paid "REC" credits or $0.0318 per kWh produced whether I consumed it or not and another credit for neighborhood total of $0.0443 per kWh produced for 20 years. That program incentive was short lived, like only 1 year. So suppose I produce 14,000 kWh per year the utility company going to pay me $620 per year on a quarterly basis for this x 20 years = $12,404.

The bottom line is once everyone is forced to go EV, there will be no incentives to purchase EV's or charge them or anything. Once a few more people put on solar there will be no more incentives. Some states have changed their programs making solar not nearly as attractive.

If Gas is going to $12 per gallon and people are going to be forced to go EV, it would be wise to get in when tax credits and incentives are still available.

I understand the hate coming my way but pretty soon you will be purchasing your EV at an inflated price and won't have any tax credits or incentives.

New vehicles are expensive Regardless of ICE or EV. Today you can get into a new EV for a reasonable cost. When you consider the fuel and maintenance savings, and CT caps registration fees at $38 and pays me to charge my vehicle in my garage....

Bottom line is get prepared to get screwed. New Tesla MSRP $49,990. Fed Tax Credit $7500, Connecticut Tax Credits total $4250, if you trade you only pay sales tax on the difference. Brand new Model Y long range $38,240 plus sales tax.

I think the incentive my wife signed up for is $100 cash up front and $30 per month to charge off peak at our home. I am not sure how long that will last but think it is at least 2 years. $820.

Connecticut has some of the highest kWh rates in the nation. I think we are at around $0.27 at this time. It is implied that an EV gets about 4 miles were kWh so it costs about $0.0675 per mile to drive. If you compare that to an ICE vehicle that gets 35MPG at current $3.50 gas price, the annual savings is $390. As fuel prices rise, the savings will be much greater.

Regardless how you analyze the scenario or mock it, you lose. You always lose. No matter how right you are, you lose. The question would be do you want to lose more or less? There is nothing I can do to change government abuse, spending, justice, taxes, civil asset forfeiture, I am a victim to the system. I have to live by their rules. I refuse to only have the negative rules impact me. If I qualify for relief, I am going to take it. Why should I be a martyr for nothing?

It matters not if the Grid can support EV's or not, You will be without power regardless. Another consideration is if a person had solar or wind generating capabilities or any electrical production capability and an EV capable of two way charging, they could power their home from electricity produced while generating power.

Does that work for the city apartment dwellers? No!. Well I don't live in the city. I am getting old and want control of my expenditures. I don't care if electricity rates skyrocket, gasoline prices skyrocket, I don't care if I can't go cross country without cumbersome charging. I have a gas powered Mercedes, Yukon, Windstar and a diesel powered Crew Cab Ford F450. Long trips would probably be in the 450 towing my 42 foot Fifth Wheel or maybe I just enjoy life at my nice home and go nowhere.

Totally your choice. Get incentives and tax credits today to change or wait until tomorrow for the new ideology where there are no positive incentives to change and you change only because gas costs $12 per gallon.
 
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Totally your choice. Get incentives and tax credits today to change or wait until tomorrow for the new ideology where there are no positive incentives to change and you change only because gas costs $12 per gallon.

Or, understand that this is a bunch of political posturing that will not fly with the American public. If you doubt the power of the American consumer over government proclamations, tell me how many kilometers per liter of petrol you're getting with your ICE cars.

In the 70's we were all told that we'd all be on the metric system within a decade... Then, the public said, "yeah F that!"

You can try to justify it anyway you want, but the fact remains that these subsidies benefit the wealthy at the expense of the poor. As Sen. Kennedy stated, "If EV's are so swell, why do you have to pay people to drive em?" There's a market for electric vehicles and people will buy them. You don't need a carrot (subsidies) or stick (mandates), and we should all oppose them.
 
Or, understand that this is a bunch of political posturing that will not fly with the American public. If you doubt the power of the American consumer over government proclamations, tell me how many kilometers per liter of petrol you're getting with your ICE cars.

In the 70's we were all told that we'd all be on the metric system within a decade... Then, the public said, "yeah F that!"

You can try to justify it anyway you want, but the fact remains that these subsidies benefit the wealthy at the expense of the poor. As Sen. Kennedy stated, "If EV's are so swell, why do you have to pay people to drive em?" There's a market for electric vehicles and people will buy them. You don't need a carrot (subsidies) or stick (mandates), and we should all oppose them.
And he says raise the cost of gasoline to $12 per gallon and people will want EV's.
 
Or, understand that this is a bunch of political posturing that will not fly with the American public. If you doubt the power of the American consumer over government proclamations, tell me how many kilometers per liter of petrol you're getting with your ICE cars.

In the 70's we were all told that we'd all be on the metric system within a decade... Then, the public said, "yeah F that!"

You can try to justify it anyway you want, but the fact remains that these subsidies benefit the wealthy at the expense of the poor. As Sen. Kennedy stated, "If EV's are so swell, why do you have to pay people to drive em?" There's a market for electric vehicles and people will buy them. You don't need a carrot (subsidies) or stick (mandates), and we should all oppose them.
I can honestly say that after owning a Tesla for about a year, there is nothing I find negative about having it. It is a great car. Super responsive. Very fast. Rarely ever any braking required. Zero maintenance thus far.
The best new car we have ever owned! We have purchased many new cars. Hands down the Tesla is a great car.

No doubt if you want to drive cross country, Tesla might not be the car for you. But, for driving less than 250 miles round trip or commuting, it is fantastic.

Another factor is living in the rust belt of New England, cars don't last over about 15 years without rusting to schite. So if a battery lasts 15 years and I throw the car away it is no different than throwing away the rusted ICE vehicle.
 
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I can honestly say that after owning a Tesla for about a year, there is nothing I find negative about having it. It is a great car. Super responsive. Very fast. Rarely ever any braking required. Zero maintenance thus far.
The best new car we have ever owned! We have purchased many new cars. Hands down the Tesla is a great car.

No doubt if you want to drive cross country, Tesla might not be the car for you. But, for driving less than 250 miles round trip or commuting, it is fantastic.

Couldn't agree more! If you can charge at home and don't have to bother with public charging, the vehicle itself is really amazing! Another reason why it shouldn't need to be subsidized! (The owners of those vehicles should really be paying the full costs.)

Another factor is living in the rust belt of New England, cars don't last over about 15 years without rusting to schite. So if a battery lasts 15 years and I throw the car away it is no different than throwing away the rusted ICE vehicle.
Well, not exactly... The costs to recycle them are also much higher. And environmentally "touchy".

But yeah, Tesla makes really cool toys! I mean, really cool! The issues in this thread were never about how cool they are - they're about the underbelly of things that never get advertised.

They cost more to insure.
They cost more to repair.
They cost more in the road damage.
They cost more to put out the flames.
Public charging is doable, but kind of a hassle.
They're heavy.
They're collecting mass amounts of data inside and outside the vehicle.

But most of all, the increased costs are not borne by the drivers who own them, but by everyone else. If you had to pay the full costs, your cost/benefit analysis of the vehicle might change.
 
Couldn't agree more! If you can charge at home and don't have to bother with public charging, the vehicle itself is really amazing! Another reason why it shouldn't need to be subsidized! (The owners of those vehicles should really be paying the full costs.)

Well, not exactly... The costs to recycle them are also much higher. And environmentally "touchy".

But yeah, Tesla makes really cool toys! I mean, really cool! The issues in this thread were never about how cool they are - they're about the underbelly of things that never get advertised.

They cost more to insure.
They cost more to repair.
They cost more in the road damage.
They cost more to put out the flames.
Public charging is doable, but kind of a hassle.
They're heavy.
They're collecting mass amounts of data inside and outside the vehicle.

But most of all, the increased costs are not borne by the drivers who own them, but by everyone else. If you had to pay the full costs, your cost/benefit analysis of the vehicle might change.
That may be true.
But, if the agenda is to get everyone into one, sooner or later everyone will have one.
People that purchased later would pay more.
 
That may be true.
But, if the agenda is to get everyone into one, sooner or later everyone will have one.
People that purchased later would pay more.

I already showed you that their agenda doesn't always come to fruition.

They had an agenda to convert the US to the metric system. FAIL
They had an agenda to install Hillary Clinton as president. FAIL
They had an agenda to get 100% covid jabs. FAIL
They had an agenda to go to war in Syria. Partial FAIL

Now they have an agenda to end personal travel, end private ownership, end free speech and get you to eat bugs... These things will fail as well. They are not omnipotent - they are actually quite pathetic. Which is why they need to steal your wealth and liberty to get you to do what they want.

And as far as people who purchase later will pay more... Those people are ALREADY paying. And once all the costs are socialized, we will ALL pay more.
 
That may be true.
But, if the agenda is to get everyone into one, sooner or later everyone will have one.

Their agenda is to get everybody on the bus. Is that going to work on you?

I've got news for you and them. Existing automobiles can be rebuilt. Happens all the time.

And as far as people who purchase later will pay more... Those people are ALREADY paying. And once all the costs are socialized, we will ALL pay more.

It is an amazing transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich, isn't it? If you can afford fifty grand despite devaluation making all your other expenses intolerable, then those poor slobs on the bus will pay the rest so Elon and Ford don't lose money on your new vehicle. Such a deal.
 
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