Evangelize me!

[Sola_Fide]

What is existence? What does it mean to exist?

That is the question I am asking you and which you cannot answer from an atheistic worldview. David Hume showed how arguments from the senses cannot prove anything, even existence.

 

[1stAmendguy]

That is the question I am asking you and which you cannot answer from an atheistic worldview. David Hume showed how arguments from the senses cannot prove anything, even existence.

Atheism by definition is NOT a worldview. You have a gross misunderstanding there.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Atheism by definition is NOT a worldview. You have a gross misunderstanding there.

I said:

That is the question I am asking you and which you cannot answer from an atheistic worldview.

Any atheistic worldview. It doesn't matter what flavor of atheism you have, it cannot answer the question.

 

[robert9712000]

absolutely irrelevant though. No one talking to me about Alexander the (Buster Bluth) "Great" is concluding, "and therefore he is the one true God and if you do not behave as his self-appointed agents today decree, then you are a threatening heretical outsider loser hell-bound dirty sinner." They are just trying to attribute things like place-names to his existence.

you said you want to be evangelized.you questioned his existence.Now his claim to deity is a separate issue for you to decide,but the first thing you need to do is at least determine in your mind if he was actually a real person or not,then you can move on to what he claimed.

 

[Origanalist]

It is more like throwing pearls at oysters, and then making believe it is something unique, rare, valuable, and beautiful. "Didn't I just hock that shit into the ocean?" the oyster would reply.

I'm tired of your shtick, - rep.

 

[otherone]

You have to crush them at the level of their presuppositions. Show them that they are contradictory blind faith religionists who know nothing and can prove nothing.

Make sure to pepper your arguments with "swine" and "moron", and don't forget to tell them that God loves them, or not, depending if you're a Calvinist or not.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

2. "Only things that exist exist" is a concept. If your position is that immaterial things do not exist, then it is self-refuting to posit the immaterial concept of materialism.

I think our problem is that you are using this word materialism, and assigning to my assertion some other, conceptual interpretation. I didn't say, "the concept of materialism exists." You said, "Well if there is only the material world, then that's self-defeating, because in trying to express that I (as in you, not me) am giving it a label, and obviously if I can give it a label, then you (me) are making it a thing."

It's dumb.

Let's say for the sake of argument that I am looking at a chair. There is a chair. Thinking and experiencing that says nothing about "materialism" except in your mind. In the room, there is only a chair.

 

[Eagles' Wings]

I'm thinking he probably wants to be entertained.

BCS, know that there are tens of thousands of nominal "Christians" who want to be entertained.
There is quite a market for it. Drive on any interstate in red-state America and you'll see hundreds or thousands of "churches" catering to it, usually parked right on the highway for visibility. You can tell them because they all look like box stores, may not have any Christian symbols on them, and usually have some sort of slogan on a billboard which could apply to virtually any feel-good social club.

I understand many of them put on quite a show. You can even get a mocha latte and a stadium-style seat.

You also won't find a single one of them defending anything.

You'll find plenty of apologists here, but as you can see, few of them are going to join in your circle jerk.
We don't do this thing to feel good - in fact, this makes a lot of us feel like shit on a fairly regular basis.
So we're decidedly not going to do it for your lulz.

Just an all around good post. +++

 

[Sola_Fide]

Make sure to pepper your arguments with "swine" and "moron", and don't forget to tell them that God loves them, or not, depending if you're a Calvinist or not.

I was quoting Jesus. Jesus said not to cast your pearls before swine. Also, since the apostles never said "Jesus loves you" to unconverted sinners, I won't use that language either, because it's not Biblical. God loves His people and will save His people, but He is a God of wrath and He will exercise His perfect justice on all those who reject Him.

Erowe1 said it well:

"Evangel" means good news.

It looks to me like you don't need any of that now.

But if at any time the Holy Spirit convicts you of your sin, and you fear the wrath of a holy God, know that there is good news.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

Why?

 

[Dr.3D]

Why?

I'll give you an answer you can understand.

Because!

 

[1stAmendguy]

I said:



Any atheistic worldview. It doesn't matter what flavor of atheism you have, it cannot answer the question.

There is no "atheistic" worldview. Atheism only addresses the sole proposition that God exists that is all it says, nothing more.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Let's say for the sake of argument that I am looking at a chair. There is a chair. Thinking and experiencing that says nothing about "materialism" except in your mind. In the room, there is only a chair.

"Mind" is an immaterial concept. You refuted yourself again.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

I don't understand why it is reasonable to believe that a god who creates the universe also then has wrath at all. Why does he have human feelings, and why are the dominant ones literally identical to an abusive asshole father?

 

[BetterCallSaul]

"Mind" is an immaterial concept. You refuted yourself again.

uhhhh....

have you ever sat and thought? How is mind any more conceptual than bicep or anus or stomach?

 

[Sola_Fide]

There is no "atheistic" worldview. Atheism only addresses the sole proposition that God exists that is all it says, nothing more.

I didn't say atheism is a worldview. For the 3rd time now: Any worldview that has atheism as a component cannot answer the question.

 

[1stAmendguy]

"Mind" is an immaterial concept. You refuted yourself again.

Do you have any evidence that the mind can exist apart from a physical brain? I don't think it has ever been demonstrated that it can.

 

[Sola_Fide]

I don't understand why it is reasonable to believe that a god who creates the universe also then has wrath at all. Why does he have human feelings, and why are the dominant ones literally identical to an abusive asshole father?

You think this way because you don't know the depth of your sin. If the Holy Spirit had convicted your heart of sin, you would know and understand just how deserving of judgement you really are. As of now, you are totally blind, and God is perfectly just to keep you blind. He has the sovereign right to open the hearts of who He chooses.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Do you have any evidence that the mind can exist apart from a physical brain? I don't think it has ever been demonstrated that it can.

I don't need evidence of anything. If you are making the positive assertion that an immaterial thing called "mind" exists, then the burden is on you to prove how immaterial realities like "mind" can exist in a universe composed only of matter.

EDIT: Oh I'm sorry, you implied that you had a physical brain. How do you know that you have a brain? Did you sense it?

 

[Sola_Fide]

uhhhh....

have you ever sat and thought? How is mind any more conceptual than bicep or anus or stomach?

"Thoughts" are immaterial. You just refuted yourself again.