Epiphany! Why Rand Paul voted to sanction Iran...

I wonder why they prefer DP? Hey, that could have been a debate question for all of the candidates. Instead of "iPhone or Blackberry?" It could have been "DP or RPF?"
My guess is that it's easier to quickly glance / scan to get the news. It's a bit harder to do that here (although front page improvements are vastly better since '08). RPF's discussion interface is far superior IMO.
 
My guess is that it's easier to quickly glance / scan to get the news. It's a bit harder to do that here (although front page improvements are vastly better since '08). RPF's discussion interface is far superior IMO.

Yeah, I agree, that's probably true.

Rand's subforum here appears to be more active, though, so I find RPF better for news on what he is up to.
 
I don't seem to recall Iran killing more than million Iraqis. That was America. But since I guess, those Iraqis were brown Muslims killed by white Christians, that doesn't count as terrorism.

Also, every Latin American country that had death squads was a US puppet state in the 60s, 70s and 80s.
 
I don't seem to recall Iran killing more than million Iraqis. That was America. But since I guess, those Iraqis were brown Muslims killed by white Christians, that doesn't count as terrorism.

Good point, but please understand that Christians or Christianity didn't invade Iraq. I would lay that at the feet of Roman Catholicism and Judaism.


The Messianic Character Of American Foreign Policy
http://www.trinityfoundation.org/PDF/075a-MessianicCharacterAmericanPolicy.pdf
 
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You keep directing people here, Matt. But, what is this besides your own dreaming? Or is this something that Rand told you? Which?
 
Here's a thought... why not just look at the text of the bill for why they did it snd not just assume our politicians are lying about theire intent?The bill says it's to stop laundering. Rand signed it so Rand did it to stop laundering. End of story.The question then becomes this:Why does Rand have a problem with free exchange of funds?If he did it for a different reason and isn't saying, then he's lying.If he did it to stop free exchange of money (ie, the stated reason) then he's extra FOS.Why is it so hard for the apologosts to undrerstand this? We don't like him because he's a conniving politician. His father has never left us hanging. Rand seems to do it on every single vote.
 
Here's a thought... why not just look at the text of the bill for why they did it snd not just assume our politicians are lying about theire intent?The bill says it's to stop laundering. Rand signed it so Rand did it to stop laundering. End of story.The question then becomes this:Why does Rand have a problem with free exchange of funds?If he did it for a different reason and isn't saying, then he's lying.If he did it to stop free exchange of money (ie, the stated reason) then he's extra FOS.Why is it so hard for the apologosts to undrerstand this? We don't like him because he's a conniving politician. His father has never left us hanging. Rand seems to do it on every single vote.

Speak for yourself. I like him quite fine. Overall, I think he's doing a fabulous job.
 
Here's a thought... why not just look at the text of the bill for why they did it snd not just assume our politicians are lying about theire intent?The bill says it's to stop laundering. Rand signed it so Rand did it to stop laundering. End of story.The question then becomes this:Why does Rand have a problem with free exchange of funds?If he did it for a different reason and isn't saying, then he's lying.If he did it to stop free exchange of money (ie, the stated reason) then he's extra FOS.Why is it so hard for the apologosts to undrerstand this? We don't like him because he's a conniving politician. His father has never left us hanging. Rand seems to do it on every single vote.

How has he left us hanging on every vote? Not every vote has been perfect, or necessarily in line with what I would have done in his place (though that's hard to say absolutely, because I'm not in his shoes). But, what other Senator would introduce legislation like auditing the fed? That's just one example. I like Rand, but with the understanding that he is different in ways, and on some issues. I don't consider myself an 'apologist' though I do think reactions to Rand tend to be a bit extreme (on both sides). I don't know, Rand just seems to trigger very strong emotional reactions, for whatever reasons. I think he should just be judged up against other senators.
 
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Originally Posted by GeorgiaAvenger
Yeah, Iran is the chief sponsor of terrorism in the world.

No, the US government is.

The U.S. then Israel, then Saudi Arabia, then Britain.
Iran isn't even in the top 10...lol

Sanctions:
The people of Iran should not be held to account for wrongdoing by their regime – and yet, that is what is happening as western countries impose ever-tighter sanctions.

Sanctions are pushing ordinary Iranians to the edge of poverty, destroying the quality of their lives, isolating them from the outside world and most importantly, blocking their path to democracy.

As a result of sanctions, Iranians are now cut off from the world. Universities can barely hold international conferences, students have to forget about exchange programmes, academics face ridiculous difficulties for simple tasks such as subscribing to international journals or submitting research papers to them.

Many services are denied to Iranians not because providers are legally bound to refuse them but because they err on the safe side for fear of getting into trouble. Last month's incident in the US, when an Apple store refused to sell an iPad to an Iranian-American teenager was just one example.

Iran's central bank, the only official channel for Iranians to transfer money abroad, is a major target of the sanctions. The Iranian regime, and those close to it, have ways of circumventing the restrictions but ordinary people are not so fortunate.

For example, if you want to enrol for a seminar in the west, purchase goods from abroad or simply book a hotel in another country, you have no easy way of paying. The same applies if you have relatives abroad and want to assist them financially.

If you are an Iranian studying in the EU or the US, then you have no way of accessing your bank account at home. If you're a patient in Iran, in urgent need of medical treatment abroad, like Rojan Pirsalehi, and you need to pay the hospital to secure your visa, then you might end up losing your life.

Sanctions are certainly hitting the Iranian economy: the oil embargo is costing more than $3bn in lost revenue every month. After years of denial, even the Iranian officials are coming to terms about the impact, acknowledging that sanctions have finally begun to bite.

The problem, though is that the regime itself is relatively impervious to such pressures (as Hadi Kahalzadeh and John Schiemann argued in an article last week), so the burden falls disproportionately on the people.

Prices of fruit and sugar, among other staples, have soared – in some cases showing threefold and fourfold increases. The price of meat, an essential ingredient of Iranian food, has gone up to such an extent that many now eat it only on special occasions.
 
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