Enoch & the Watchers: The Real Story of Angels & Demons

[Ronin Truth]

Enoch is an influential oral tradition positively referenced in Jude for is historical value, but is not canon as far as doctrinal or spiritual accuracy is concerned.

Any excuse will suffice ..... apparently.

Too much Sumer and Babylon?

 

[Sola_Fide]

Any excuse will suffice ..... apparently.

Too much Sumer and Babylon?

You'd be saying that about any non canonical work if there was an objection to it.

 

[Ronin Truth]

You'd be saying that about any non canonical work if there was an objection to it.

Is that code?

 

[jmdrake]

Oh, is THAT what you said? I thought you were denying the Cain lineage.

Sorry! :o

Okay. Maybe I didn't understand what you said. I thought you were saying both Enochs were the same person. So I guess it's sorry on my part too. :o

 

[Ronin Truth]

Okay. Maybe I didn't understand what you said. I thought you were saying both Enochs were the same person. So I guess it's sorry on my part too. :o

We're !

The Cain article addresses the multi complicated geneologies scenarios.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Thank you @jmdrake! Someone finally engaging in good conversation with @Ronin! Yahoo!

 

[Ronin Truth]

Thank you @jmdrake! Someone finally engaging in good conversation with @Ronin! Yahoo!

ON TOPIC is more pleasant isn't it? Like most of the rest of the RPF.

 

[RJB]

Thank you @jmdrake! Someone finally engaging in good conversation with @Ronin! Yahoo!

OFF TOPIC!!!

 

[Ronin Truth]

OFF TOPIC!!!

Whut?

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Any excuse will suffice ..... apparently.

Too much Sumer and Babylon?

Too many blatant conflicts with the canon Bible, as in the three dozen examples cited in the article.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Too many blatant conflicts with the canon Bible, as in the three dozen examples cited in the article.

That's an interesting point too.

 

[pcosmar]

Too many blatant conflicts with the canon Bible, as in the three dozen examples cited in the article.

I have read through,,(though not studied) the Books of Enoch. I found it both complementary and "confirmation"(not that it was needed) with known scripture.

I do have a different view than Ronin though.

 

[Jamesiv1]

Rather than place the "Watchers" and "fallen angels" into the typical 'My God is better than your God' paradigm, couldn't we just consider them visitors from another part of the Universe? -- might be a physical part (like a planet) or a metaphysical part (like another space/time dimension).

Is that beyond reasonable?

It fascinates me the way so many people dismiss all this stuff as some kind of made-up, fantastical human need for divinity or some such.

 

[Jamesiv1]

I find this an interesting paragraph:

In the Book of Enoch it says that the leader of the fallen angels was called Azazel, and he is often identified with Lucifer (the Lightbringer) or Lumiel (‘the light of God’). He taught men to forge swords and make shields and breastplates (body armour). Azazel also taught them metallurgy and how to mine from the earth and use different metals. To the women he taught the art of making bracelets, ornaments, rings and necklaces from precious metals and stones. He also showed them how to ‘beautify their eyelids’ with kohl and the use of cosmetic tricks to attract and seduce the opposite sex. From these practices Enoch says there came much ‘godlessness’ and men and women committed fornication, were led astray and became corrupt in their ways.

So it was Lucifer that taught us:

1. How to make the tools of war (F-16's and atom bombs?)
2. How to mine metals - both non-precious and precious (like gold and silver?)
3. How to subvert cultural morality and encourage godlessness (Hollywood and pop music?)

Interesting.

 

[euphemia]

What did you mean by this?

Not that hard to figure out. He's saying that the fall of mankind is just a made up story. Mankind is not lost in sin, without hope, and in need of a Savior.

Either that or he means that flying pink squirrels translated the Mayan calendar before they invented space travel, and that's how we know there is water on Mars and Orion's Belt is Gucci.

 

[pcosmar]

Not that hard to figure out. He's saying that the fall of mankind is just a made up story. Mankind is not lost in sin, without hope, and in need of a Savior.

Either that or he means that flying pink squirrels translated the Mayan calendar before they invented space travel, and that's how we know there is water on Mars and Orion's Belt is Gucci.

And you can google it.

 

[pcosmar]

I find this an interesting paragraph:


So it was Lucifer that taught us:

1. How to make the tools of war (F-16's and atom bombs?)
2. How to mine metals - both non-precious and precious (like gold and silver?)
3. How to subvert cultural morality and encourage godlessness (Hollywood and pop music?)

Interesting.

Actually,, there were several that were named. and great many more that were not named.

 

[Ronin Truth]

I have read through,,(though not studied) the Books of Enoch. I found it both complementary and "confirmation"(not that it was needed) with known scripture.

I do have a different view than Ronin tough.

Do I have a view?

 

[Ronin Truth]

Not that hard to figure out. He's saying that the fall of mankind is just a made up story. Mankind is not lost in sin, without hope, and in need of a Savior.

Either that or he means that flying pink squirrels translated the Mayan calendar before they invented space travel, and that's how we know there is water on Mars and Orion's Belt is Gucci.

Or that there are a number of varying old stories about the origins of mankind? Pick your favorite.

 

[RJB]

Do I have a view?

That Paulinists kicked Enoch out of the Bible?