Eliminate Drunk Driving laws

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Radley Balko at Reason is getting some legs on a recent column of his advocating, rightfully so, the elimination of drunk driving laws.



http://theweek.com/article/index/208095/how-drunk-driving-laws-make-our-roads-less-safe

http://www.newser.com/story/102893/lets-do-away-with-drunk-driving-laws.html

Abolish Drunk Driving Laws
If lawmakers are serious about saving lives, they should focus on impairment, not alcohol.
Radley Balko | October 11, 2010


http://reason.com/archives/2010/10/11/abolish-drunk-driving-laws

Last week Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo advocated creating a new criminal offense: "driving while ability impaired." The problem with the current Texas law prohibiting "driving while intoxicated" (DWI), Acevedo explained, is that it doesn't allow him to arrest a driver whose blood-alcohol content (BAC) is below 0.08 percent without additional evidence of impairment.

"People sometimes focus on how many drinks they can have before they'll go to jail," Acevedo told the Austin-American Statesman. "It varies….A person may be intoxicated at 0.05, and you don't want them out driving." Acevedo wants to be able to arrest people with BAC levels as low as 0.05 percent, and he may have support for that idea in the state legislature. John Whitmire (D-Houston), chairman of the state Senate's Criminal Justice Committee, told the Statesman Acevedo's plan "might be one way to go," adding, "Some people shouldn't be driving after one drink—probably below the 0.08 limit—and this could address that."

Bill Lewis, head of the Texas chapter of Mothers Against Drunk Driving, agreed. "I don't see how it would hurt," he told the paper. "The level of 0.08 is where we know most people are good and drunk...and there are people who are driving at less than the limit who probably should not be. It might keep some people from driving [drunk] again."

Acevedo, Whitmore, and Lewis are right, although probably not in the way they intended. People do react to alcohol differently. For many people one drink may well be too many, while experienced drinkers can function relatively normally with a BAC at or above the legal threshold for presuming intoxication. A person's impairment may also depend on variables such as the medications he is taking and the amount of sleep he got the night before. Acevedo et al.'s objections to the legal definition of intoxication highlight the absurdity of drawing an arbitrary, breathalyzer-based line between sobriety and criminal intoxication.

The right solution, however, is not to push the artificial line back farther. Instead we should get rid of it entirely by repealing drunk driving laws.

Consider the 2000 federal law that pressured states to lower their BAC standards to 0.08 from 0.10. At the time, the average BAC in alcohol-related fatal accidents was 0.17, and two-thirds of such accidents involved drivers with BACs of 0.14 or higher. In fact, drivers with BACs between 0.01 and 0.03 were involved in more fatal accidents than drivers with BACs between 0.08 and 0.10. (The federal government classifies a fatal accident as "alcohol-related" if it involved a driver, a biker, or a pedestrian with a BAC of 0.01 or more, whether or not drinking actually contributed to the accident.) In 1995 the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration studied traffic data in 30 safety categories from the first five states to adopt the new DWI standard. In 21 of the 30 categories, those states were either no different from or less safe than the rest of the country.

Once the 0.08 standard took effect nationwide in 2000, a curious thing happened: Alcohol-related traffic fatalities increased, following a 20-year decline. Critics of the 0.08 standard predicted this would happen. The problem is that most people with a BAC between 0.08 and 0.10 don't drive erratically enough to be noticed by police officers in patrol cars. So police began setting up roadblocks to catch them. But every cop manning a roadblock aimed at catching motorists violating the new law is a cop not on the highways looking for more seriously impaired motorists. By 2004 alcohol-related fatalities went down again, but only because the decrease in states that don't use roadblocks compensated for a slight but continuing increase in the states that use them.

The roadblocks are also constitutionally problematic. In the 1990 decision Michigan v. Sitz ,the Supreme Court acknowledged that stops at sobriety checkpoints constitute "seizures" under the Fourth Amendment but ruled that the public safety threat posed by drunk driving made them "reasonable." In the years since, the checkpoints have become little more than revenue generators for local governments. When local newspapers inquire about specific roadblocks after the fact, they inevitably find lots of citations for seat belt offenses, broken headlights, driving with an expired license, and other minor infractions. But the checkpoints rarely catch seriously impaired drivers. In 2009, according to a recent study by researchers at the University of California at Berkeley, 1,600 sobriety checkpoints in California generated $40 million in fines, $30 million in overtime pay for cops, 24,000 vehicle confiscations, and just 3,200 arrests for drunk driving. A typical checkpoint would consist of 20 or more cops, yield a dozen or more vehicle confiscations, but around three drunk driving arrests.

Checkpoints are only the beginning of what California DWI attorney Lawrence Taylor calls "the drunk driving exception to the Constitution." The Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination has been turned upside down by state laws that instantly suspend the licenses of drivers who refuse to take roadside breath tests. Those breath tests are also fraught with problems. Most manufacturers of breath test machines have refused to turn over their source code, meaning DWI defendants can't assess the machines' margin of error, which can be a significant factor in a case where the difference between 0.80 and 0.79 for a first offense can be $1,000 or more in fines, mandatory alcohol awareness classes, and loss of driving privileges for up to a year.

Blood tests are far more accurate, but by the time a driver is pulled over, questioned, taken to the nearest hospital, and had his blood drawn, his BAC may be significantly different from what it was when he was driving. Perversely, the time lapse can have the effect of protecting guiltier motorists. Imagine a driver pulled over or stopped at a checkpoint after having "one for the road," knowing his house is a short drive away and the last drink won't kick in until he's sitting on his couch. At the time he is stopped, he is under the legal limit. But his BAC is rising, and it tops 0.08 by the time his blood is drawn at the hospital. By contrast, a driver who is impaired when he's pulled over, but who stopped drinking an hour or so before, benefits from the delay, since his BAC is falling by the time he arrives at the hospital.

Many states have tried to solve this problem by claiming another invasive power: They are now allowing police to forcibly take a blood sample on the side of the road.

These ever-expanding enforcement powers miss the point: The threat posed by drunk driving comes not from drinking per se but from the impairment drinking can cause. That fact has been lost in the rush to demonize people who have even a single drink before getting behind the wheel (exemplified by the shift in the government's message from "Don't Drive Drunk" to "Don't Drink and Drive"). Several studies have found that talking on a cell phone, even with a hands-free device, causes more driver impairment than a 0.08 BAC. A 2001 American Automobile Association study found several other in-car distractions that also caused more impairment, including eating, adjusting a radio or CD player, and having kids in the backseat (for more on such studies, see the 2005 paper I wrote on alcohol policy for the Cato Institute).

If our ultimate goals are to reduce driver impairment and maximize highway safety, we should be punishing reckless driving. It shouldn't matter if it's caused by alcohol, sleep deprivation, prescription medication, text messaging, or road rage. If lawmakers want to stick it to dangerous drivers who threaten everyone else on the road, they can dial up the civil and criminal liability for reckless driving, especially in cases that result in injury or property damage.

Doing away with the specific charge of drunk driving sounds radical at first blush, but it would put the focus back on impairment, where it belongs. It might repair some of the civil-liberties damage done by the invasive powers the government says it needs to catch and convict drunk drivers. If the offense were reckless driving rather than drunk driving, for example, repeated swerving over the median line would be enough to justify the charge. There would be no need for a cop to jam a needle in your arm alongside a busy highway.

Scrapping the DWI offense in favor of better enforcement of reckless driving laws would also bring some logical consistency to our laws, which treat a driver with a BAC of 0.08 much more harshly than, say, a driver distracted by his kids or a cell phone call, despite similar levels of impairment. The punishable act should be violating road rules or causing an accident, not the factors that led to those offenses. Singling out alcohol impairment for extra punishment isn't about making the roads safer. It's about a lingering hostility toward demon rum.

Radley Balko is a senior editor at Reason magazine.
 
http://www.sacbee.com/2010/10/16/3108452/womans-5th-dui-proved-fatal.html

Woman's 5th DUI proved fatal

By Kim Minugh
[email protected]
Published: Saturday, Oct. 16, 2010 - 12:00 am


Four times in her young life, Rebecca Vela had been punished for driving drunk.
But there she was again the night of April 18, 2009: Drunk to the point of blackout, behind the wheel of a car.
Vela had never injured anyone before, but on this night, her actions would have devastating consequences: Speeding at more than 70 mph, she struck and killed a 54-year-old man driving home from his second job.
With a history like hers, how could this be allowed to happen?
Stanley Spaeth Jr.'s family, advocates and others have asked that question throughout the course of Vela's fifth DUI trial, which concluded this week with a 15-years-to-life sentence for her second-degree murder conviction.
The sentiment is understandable, but the answers complicated. Mothers Against Drunk Driving advocates, who have followed the Vela case, hold it up as an example of why California must beef up its DUI penalties.

Vela's attorney, Russell Miller, argues the case shows the fault in a criminal justice system that rarely customizes punishment. Long before her fifth offense, Miller said, a judge should've sent her to an in-custody rehabilitation program rather than jail.
But most observers agree on one thing: Rebecca Vela made a choice that night. And as frustratingly simple as that explanation might be, they said, it goes to the heart of all drunken driving offenses.

"I think (the case) says more about certain individuals than about DUI laws in California," said Assistant Chief Deputy District Attorney Steve Grippi, who oversees felony prosecution in Sacramento County. "Unfortunately, you cannot legislate personal responsibility, and you can't legislate a sense of morality."
Vela is now 34. Her struggle with alcohol began when she was 13, according to a probation report drafted before her sentencing.
Police first caught her driving drunk in 1994. She was 18 and driving 70 mph in heavy rain. Vela spent 15 days in jail for that offense and received three years of probation.
In 1995 and then 1996, police again arrested her for DUI. Both were misdemeanors – under state law, DUIs without injury are not felonies until the fourth offense in 10 years – and she paid fines.

She committed that fourth offense in 2000, and received 365 days in county jail and five years of probation.
Vela agreed to attend a one-year program at Promise House, a Sacramento treatment center. She completed it and stayed sober for about eight years, Miller said. But her grandfather died, and then her alcoholic father, and her long-term relationship with her son's father dissolved. She relapsed.
On April 18, 2009, she watched a video of her father's funeral, and drank. She had a designated driver, but when he briefly left the car, keys in the ignition, Vela sped off.
She rear-ended Spaeth's motorcycle on East Stockton Boulevard in Elk Grove, and fled the scene, the motorcycle still wedged under the car. She struck a sound wall and came to a stop in a backyard.

Silas Miers, a program specialist for MADD California, applauded the District Attorney's Office for pursuing a second-degree murder conviction rather than manslaughter. But he said the system needs to come down on DUI drivers sooner.
"We need to push harder against repeat offenders," Miers said. "She knew what the dangers were, but she continued the behavior anyway."
There are other efforts to curb DUIs besides punitive sentencing, like mandatory ignition interlock devices for offenders. Those devices force drivers to blow into a device before their cars will start.

A pilot program began this summer in four California counties, including Sacramento. However, Miers acknowledged such a device likely wouldn't have prevented Spaeth's death because Vela initially had a designated driver.
Miers said repeat offenders pose a huge problem that needs attention. A MADD survey in 2009 found that nearly 45,000 California drivers had five or more DUIs, he said. More than 300,000 had three.
Though Vela's four priors involved no injuries, Miers said the system should've treated her as a greater threat.
"Just because they haven't killed anybody yet doesn't mean they're not a danger or a split second away from causing" death or injury, he said.
Even some of Vela's loved ones have questioned whether more could have been done earlier. As the sentencing ended, a woman who appeared to be with Vela's supporters stood up.

"Is the law ever going to change?" she asked Superior Court Judge Kevin J. McCormick. "If she had been in prison after her first DUI, these people never would've lost a loved one."
Prison might be a natural response, but it's costly and unrealistic, said Floyd Feeney, a professor at the UC Davis School of Law.
"What are they hoping to accomplish?" he asked. "If you are in prison, you're not running anyone down, but unless you're willing to put someone in prison forever, they eventually get out."

And while many voters put great faith in the idea that harsh sentences deter future bad behavior, Feeney said most criminologists agree that's not always the case.
Miller said harsh sentences are often the solution embraced by what he described as a "knee-jerk" public.
"We're trying to find a law that will prevent any harm to anyone," he said. "And there's no such thing."
California law allows judges little discretion when sentencing DUI offenders. What little leeway they have typically involves the amount of jail time served or fees paid.
But Miller said his client has an illness and would have been better served by getting strict treatment in a government-run facility more structured than Promise House.
A judge, aware of an individual offender's history, should be trusted to make such calls, Miller said. Vela – and perhaps society – could have benefited from such personal consideration, he said.

"Is this a person who truly has a disease, or is this person just irresponsible?" he asked.

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Hey, how about getting rid of all the ridiculous and arbitrary road regulations (Traffic lights, speed limits, etc.) so people can actually focus on driving instead of everything around them. That would do more to reduce the amount of traffic accidents and fatalities especially those associated with drunk driving (E.g. people would actually be paying attention and not just blindly going because a light is green, etc.). These inane road regulations kill more people than anything else in America.
 
Hey, how about getting rid of all the ridiculous and arbitrary road regulations (Traffic lights, speed limits, etc.) so people can actually focus on driving instead of everything around them. That would do more to reduce the amount of traffic accidents and fatalities especially those associated with drunk driving (E.g. people would actually be paying attention and not just blindly going because a light is green, etc.). These inane road regulations kill more people than anything else in America.

Well I don't understand how you could get rid of traffic lights, but speed limits for sure. Your speed doesn't even matter,what depends is the marginal speed between you and the cars around you, and even that doesn't matter near as much as just simply paying attention....which a large percentage of drivers don't do, even if they're driving below the speed limit.
 
Well I don't understand how you could get rid of traffic lights, but speed limits for sure. Your speed doesn't even matter,what depends is the marginal speed between you and the cars around you, and even that doesn't matter near as much as just simply paying attention....which a large percentage of drivers don't do, even if they're driving below the speed limit.

Check out Fit Roads. You will be pleasantly surprised. I think there was a mises article on it also, where it talks about first-principle and how it is the default intuitive position of our species. There is no need for lights. It in fact, makes the situation far more dangerous and increases congestion and commute times.
 
Check out Fit Roads. You will be pleasantly surprised. I think there was a mises article on it also, where it talks about first-principle and how it is the default intuitive position of our species. There is no need for lights. It in fact, makes the situation far more dangerous and increases congestion and commute times.

You say you are a resident of Florida? You obviously have not been through a hurricane when all of the power was knocked out and traffic lights dont work. Every major intersections lines back up and people are honking and nearly clipping each other as two people decide to try and go at the same time. The city with no traffic lights = pandemonium. Stop signs and traffic lights are a good thing.

I agree with you on getting rid of speed limits, that is on open roads. Residential areas should have limits. But open road like interstates should have no speed limit or at least have a lane dedicated to no speed limit. It annoys the hell out of me when I am driving on an interstate and no traffic for miles and yet I still have to go 65. It makes no sense....
 
You say you are a resident of Florida? You obviously have not been through a hurricane when all of the power was knocked out and traffic lights dont work. Every major intersections lines back up and people are honking and nearly clipping each other as two people decide to try and go at the same time. The city with no traffic lights = pandemonium. Stop signs and traffic lights are a good thing.

I agree with you on getting rid of speed limits, that is on open roads. Residential areas should have limits.

Agreed. You can't have someone going 90 MPH down a neighborhood road.
 
Check out Fit Roads. You will be pleasantly surprised. I think there was a mises article on it also, where it talks about first-principle and how it is the default intuitive position of our species. There is no need for lights. It in fact, makes the situation far more dangerous and increases congestion and commute times.

what an idiotic premise. I see it around here often and just shake my head. are people really this devoid of critical thinking?

mankind can account for a lack of lights, but at the cost of greatly reduced traffic output.

well timed lights can move more cars through congested areas then letting mans desire to survive be the ultimate arbitrator of traffic flow.
 
what an idiotic premise. I see it around here often and just shake my head. are people really this devoid of critical thinking?

mankind can account for a lack of lights, but at the cost of greatly reduced traffic output.

well timed lights can move more cars through congested areas then letting mans desire to survive be the ultimate arbitrator of traffic flow.

Wrong.

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I see it every time I drive also. There are many busy intersections with no lights whatsoever, and it moves much faster than any intersection with less traffic (or more) with lights. There is less accidents also. You want eyes on the road and looking around at other drivers, not blindly following a stupid ass light, or looking at your odometer, etc.
 
Agreed. You can't have someone going 90 MPH down a neighborhood road.

Who the fuck is going to go 90 in a residential neighborhood? Sure, if you want to go to jail for killing someone then go ahead, but people aren't as fucking idiotic and stupid as you make them out to be. People don't need a 'big brother' or anyone else to make decisions for themselves. People drive slowly in residential areas not because of speed limits (because there is NEVER a cop around to ticket you), but because they realize that it is a high pedestrian area and it is unsafe. How hard is it to comprehend?
 
Wow. This goes way beyond libertarianism into anarchy. People who speed and people who drive drunk are endangering the lives of others.
 
Wow. This goes way beyond libertarianism into anarchy. People who speed and people who drive drunk are endangering the lives of others.

And if they damage property or hurt someone then prosecute them. Speed limits, traffic lights, and other road regulations make people less safe. How much documented evidence do you need? (By the way libertarianism is statelessness (It has always been that. Only in the last 20-30 years have minarchists been trying to steal the moniker))
 
And if they damage property or hurt someone then prosecute them. Speed limits, traffic lights, and other road regulations make people less safe. How much documented evidence do you need?

This is true, And most "statistics are faulty. Especially those used by MADD. They are just plain false.

Wow. This goes way beyond libertarianism into anarchy. People who speed and people who drive drunk are endangering the lives of others.

People who drive cars are endangering lives. As well as those who fly planes or nearly anything else.
Life is not safe.
 
And if they damage property or hurt someone then prosecute them. Speed limits, traffic lights, and other road regulations make people less safe. How much documented evidence do you need? (By the way libertarianism is statelessness (It has always been that. Only in the last 20-30 years have minarchists been trying to steal the moniker))

If you didn't have traffic lights in major cities you would have people running into each other non stop, and you would have complete chaos and anarchy. I've always understood that libertarianism is a philosophy that says that the government should protect the rights of others. The government won't be protecting the rights of others if it allows people to drive drunk and go through red lights.
 
If you didn't have traffic lights in major cities you would have people running into each other non stop, and you would have complete chaos and anarchy. I've always understood that libertarianism is a philosophy that says that the government should protect the rights of others. The government won't be protecting the rights of others if it allows people to drive drunk and go through red lights.

Um what? There wouldn't be any lights, and the rule would merely be changed from red/yellow/green light to a first-use principle. People would not be running into each other non-stop. Watch the video. Drive around through busy intersections without lights and see how people interact. They aren't running into each other non-stop, in fact, there are far less accidents at those intersections than at ones with lights. Also people are going to drive drunk regardless of the law. Besides, driving drunk has not hurt anyone, or damaged any property. Why are you so quick to enforce pre-crime laws? Pre-crime is not a crime.

Libertarianism is a philosophy of liberty. The maximization of liberty is to have no State. People can form whatever voluntary societies, etc. they want, and to purchase/sign up/form whatever courts, and laws they wish to subject themselves to. Libertarianism was coined by, and has been used for the last 120+ years by Anti-Statists (Pro-Statelessness). The word anarchy is a terrible world because it means different things to different people and brings up stupid images of kids running around in black masks throwing molotov cocktails.

Besides, the Government can't protect the rights of people when they violate their rights by being in existence. Taxation is theft, period and a violation of the property rights and labor of another.
 
How about the foolish cops that arrest a guy when he is sleeping in his car to avoid driving drunk?

What is the result? An incentive to drive drunk when he ordinarily wouldn't have.
 
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