Egypt: Christian teen gets three years in jail for offensive Mohammed drawing on Facebook

[BlackTerrel]

I still remember when Obama (and most of the posters on RPF) were cheering the downfall of Mubarak. I know a number of Copts here in the US and they cheered it too - now they wish things would go back to the way they were. "The devil you know..."

http://global.christianpost.com/new...l-for-offensive-muhammad-illustrations-72755/

An Egyptian court has sentenced this week a 17-year-old Coptic student to three years in jail for posting drawings of the prophet Muhammad on his Facebook profile in Dec. 2011. The court ruled that the images were offensive to Islam and mocked the prophet.

"Assiut child's court ordered the jailing of Gamal Abdou Massoud ... for three years after he insulted Islam and published and distributed pictures that insulted Islam and its Prophet," a statement issued by the court read, as reported by Reuters.

The images appeared on Massoud's Facebook page in December of last year, and caused riots and attacks on Coptic Christians in his hometown of Assuit, in southern Egypt.

Villagers attacked Massoud's home as well as the homes of other Christians, and security and military forces were reportedly dispersed across Massoud's hometown to prevent further vandalism, firing tear gas at the Muslim protesters.

Several Christian homes were burned during the attacks, and several Christians were injured.

Massoud was also accused of distributing the images to some of his school friends. The teen argued that he did not upload the offensive drawings onto his Facebook account, but rather they were posted without his knowledge.

 

[moderate libertarian]

Sadly Christians continue to pay the price for recent freedom violence wars and bloodshed in mideast.

I still remember when Obama (and most of the posters on RPF) were cheering the downfall of Mubarak. I know a number of Copts here in the US and they cheered it too - now they wish things would go back to the way they were. "The devil you know..."

Such a view smells of arrogance or racist supremacism. What gives you or anyone the right to deny the Egyptian or any people in the world right for self determination and telling them that a dictator that is puppet of foreign masters is best for them? Torture guru of Egypt and puppet dictator Mubarik was protecting interests of foreign masters and enabling Israeli oppression of Palestinian teens, children and adults. In a way he shared responsibility for causes that led to 9/11 and resulting economic/liberty collapse in America. No sympathy for that dictator.

Btw did you also call for keeping Saddam in power in Iraq since his fall led to killing/exile of millions of arab race Christians? Or because dictator Saddam was anti-Israel, plight for arab Christians of Iraq resulting from his fall was acceptable?

Or do you call for regime change in Austria because of their anti freedom of speech laws like this?

Holocaust denier gets 3 years in prison - World news - Europe ...
Feb 20, 2006 ... Right-wing British historian David Irving pleaded guilty Monday to charges of
denying the Holocaust and was sentenced to three years in prison ...

www.msnbc.msn.com/.../scholar-who-denied-holocaust-jailed-years/

 

[Lishy]

Don't make fanart of Mohammad! It's offensive!

 

[Hugo]

Egypt has not been secular for decades

BlackTerell

THIS WAS ILLEGAL BEFORE THE REVOLUTION.

These laws are not new ones and I don't think they will be repealed anytime soon. Egypt is not going to become a liberaldemocracy overnight, especially since there's been a reversal of the renaissance that happened in the 19th century,
because Mubarak and his predecessors destroyed or limited all democratic institutions. Also, the main part of persecution of christians comes from salafist and it also came from Mubarak. The salafist have their origin in Saudiarabia and have
been growing in the muslim world for the last three to four decades, and if americans would have known what the saudis have been doing the last 40 years, they would have understood that the world needs to get off oil, not just middeast oil as some american politicians say.

 

[bolil]

We are not to long behind that, people often get fired for what they say on Facebook. The nature of the service, however, is that you must forfeit your penumbra right of privacy- which is really just the right to protect your privacy.

 

[FrankRep]

I still remember when Obama (and most of the posters on RPF) were cheering the downfall of Mubarak. I know a number of Copts here in the US and they cheered it too - now they wish things would go back to the way they were. "The devil you know..."

http://global.christianpost.com/new...l-for-offensive-muhammad-illustrations-72755/

I didn't cheer.


Egyptians: This Revolution Was a Curse


New York Times, MSN
June 10, 2011

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Flashback:


The Egyptian Revolution

The problem with the Egyptian Revolution, which is being acted out in the streets of Cairo and Alexandria with huge demonstrations, is that no one knows what the revolutionaries want.​

Fanning the Flames of Revolution in Egypt

As Mubarak's Egypt succumbs to revolution, little is none of the forces fueling the protest, such as the Muslim Brotherhood, but moreso the role of the Communist Party of Egypt in revolution's inception and current activities - thus revealing an Islamo-Communist connection.​

Turmoil in Egypt

It’s much too early to say what will be the outcome of the present popular uprising in Egypt against Mubarak’s dictatorship, but there are several scenarios that can be analyzed as possible outcomes.​

Egypt's Present Path

Though much of the world waits with bated breath to see what type of government Egypt will end up with, the shape of Egypt's government is almost a foregone conclusion.​

Egypt's Problem of Leadership

Egypt faces a problem of leadership: Will the nation find a new dictator to replace Mubarak, or will free the people by insisting upon constitutional changes that will chain the government?​

Egypt: Did Anything Important Happen?

When the Los Angeles Times confirmed that protests that started in January in Tunisia and then moved to Egypt were spreading to Algeria, Bahrain, Libya, Morocco, Cameroon and Kuwait, many concluded that they were driven by unhappy citizens connected via the internet.​

 

[BlackTerrel]

We are not to long behind that, people often get fired for what they say on Facebook. The nature of the service, however, is that you must forfeit your penumbra right of privacy- which is really just the right to protect your privacy.

I can't stand hyperbole of this nature. There is an infinitely wide chasm between:

1. Getting fired for calling your boss an asshole on your public Facebook.

2. Having riots, homes burned down, and a three year jail sentence for a 17 year old kid because of a drawing of a religious figure.

 

[Lishy]

But.. But.. Fouad Ajami said CNN there are no Islamic Extremists!!!

 

[Hugo]

For godness sake hasn't anybode read my post? These laws already existed way before the reovolution. It was already ILLEGAL and carried the same penalty,
Here is more information on a few cases before the revolution:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_Egypt

There are more cases than these, I presume, since Egypt has been known for this before the revolution.

 

[Lishy]

For godness sake hasn't anybode read my post? These laws already existed way before the reovolution. It was already ILLEGAL and carried the same penalty,
Here is more information on a few cases before the revolution:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_Egypt

There are more cases than these, I presume, since Egypt has been known for this before the revolution.

I read your post, and I knew about it.

But.. But.. Fouad Ajami said there are no extremists! Fouad Ajami!!!

 

[Cowlesy]

I still remember when Obama (and most of the posters on RPF) were cheering the downfall of Mubarak. I know a number of Copts here in the US and they cheered it too - now they wish things would go back to the way they were. "The devil you know..."

http://global.christianpost.com/new...l-for-offensive-muhammad-illustrations-72755/

Uhhhhh, whaaaaat? Most of the posters I recalled were decrying our intervention.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Uhhhhh, whaaaaat? Most of the posters I recalled were decrying our intervention.

That's a little bit of revisionist history. When the protests first started it was 90% pro-protester and anti "US puppet Mubarak". Then as soon as it became clear the protesters would win and Mubarak would step down the protesters became "funded by US government and puppets".

Basically whoever wins is the US puppet, basically.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/archive/index.php/t-277066.html?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?278373-Rachel-Maddow-Nails-This-Piece-on-Egypt

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?277792-MSM-is-starting-to-notice

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ttlements-and-promotes-the-rapture-on-Fox-New

 

[The Other Andy]

Sadly Christians continue to pay the price for recent freedom violence wars and bloodshed in mideast.



Such a view smells of arrogance or racist supremacism. What gives you or anyone the right to deny the Egyptian or any people in the world right for self determination and telling them that a dictator that is puppet of foreign masters is best for them? Torture guru of Egypt and puppet dictator Mubarik was protecting interests of foreign masters and enabling Israeli oppression of Palestinian teens, children and adults. In a way he shared responsibility for causes that led to 9/11 and resulting economic/liberty collapse in America. No sympathy for that dictator.

Btw did you also call for keeping Saddam in power in Iraq since his fall led to killing/exile of millions of arab race Christians? Or because dictator Saddam was anti-Israel, plight for arab Christians of Iraq resulting from his fall was acceptable?

Or do you call for regime change in Austria because of their anti freedom of speech laws like this?



www.msnbc.msn.com/.../scholar-who-denied-holocaust-jailed-years/

And actually, Palestine has a pretty good sized Christian population too. The Israelis don't spare them. Of course our media conveniently ignores those Christians. Israel is our friend, remember?

 

[The Other Andy]

That's a little bit of revisionist history. When the protests first started it was 90% pro-protester and anti "US puppet Mubarak". Then as soon as it became clear the protesters would win and Mubarak would step down the protesters became "funded by US government and puppets".

Basically whoever wins is the US puppet, basically.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/archive/index.php/t-277066.html?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?278373-Rachel-Maddow-Nails-This-Piece-on-Egypt

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?277792-MSM-is-starting-to-notice

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ttlements-and-promotes-the-rapture-on-Fox-New

The US certainly wanted their friend Mubarak to win, but he obviously didn't. I don't doubt that they realized he was losing and started supporting one of the protest groups. The last thing our government wants is another Iran-like situation.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Couldn't care less. There is very little freedom in the world. I'm having enough trouble trying to keep and increase freedom in the freest state in the US. I literally have no time or energy to care about what happens in other countries, especially since there is nothing I can do about it.

Kill 1 person in Egypt, kill 1,000 in Egypt. It is horrible either way but there are real issues to deal with right now where I live. I won't be distracted by statists in random places.

 

[The Free Hornet]

Such a view smells of arrogance or racist supremacism. What gives you or anyone the right to deny the Egyptian or any people in the world right for self determination and telling them that a dictator that is puppet of foreign masters is best for them?

a) I am not a democrat, your right to swing your fist ends at my nose.

b) I believe in self-determination of the individual not the nation state.

c) Sadly, a puppet dictator was a better option than what an unruly mob has selected. Neither is my first choice, can you say the same?

d) "telling them"? It is called freedom of speech. Look it up!

 

[The Other Andy]

a) I am not a democrat, your right to swing your fist ends at my nose.

b) I believe in self-determination of the individual not the nation state.

c) Sadly, a puppet dictator was a better option than what an unruly mob has selected. Neither is my first choice, can you say the same?

d) "telling them"? It is called freedom of speech. Look it up!

The unruly mob formed entirely because of the puppet dictator. History has proven time and time again that when our government forces its choice of leader on others that they will undoubtedly revolt and select the exact opposite of what the American government wanted in the first place.

 

[pcosmar]

You know..
Most of the world does not have our Constitution, nor the protected liberties that are in our Bill of Rights.

Most take it for granted even as they are being eroded daily.

There are many places where something like "Freedom of Speech" is NOT a protected right.

 

[moderate libertarian]

And actually, Palestine has a pretty good sized Christian population too. The Israelis don't spare them. Of course our media conveniently ignores those Christians. Israel is our friend, remember?

That relates to another discussion. So that would explain why Israeli democracy does not open its doors to Christian arabs forced to exile after Iraq freedom bloodbath or Christains persecuted in Egypt, Palestine?

Christian immigration out of Israel and Jewish immigration into Israel increased, why?

In past decades, despite US giving Israeli regimes steady aid in billions every year, a startling demographic trend has emerged. Native Christian arab immigration out of Israel has increased while at the same time Jewish immigration into Israel from froeign countries increased. Can anyone explain why that happened? Considering that holy land is birth place of Christianity, one would think native Christian population would prefer ro live there.

Only explnataion I had heard before was that since Israel created Hamas and started supporting radicalism and Islamic extremist groups, life became harder for native Christians and they left to find better life outside Israel. But even if that simplistic reason is accepted, why that affected Christian arab and Jewish populations in opposite ways?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-Jewish-immigration-into-Israel-increased-why

a) I am not a democrat, your right to swing your fist ends at my nose.

b) I believe in self-determination of the individual not the nation state.

c) Sadly, a puppet dictator was a better option than what an unruly mob has selected. Neither is my first choice, can you say the same?

d) "telling them"? It is called freedom of speech. Look it up!

a- If you are not a democrat who advocates supporting/funding Israeli friendly butcher dictators in Egypt (or any other place), that free speech comment would not apply to you.

b- You are entitled to your beliefs. So do you support self-determination right for Palestinian individuals living under Israeli occupation for four decades or for Egyptian individuals people living under a foreign puppet dictator like Mubarik?

c- Better for who, for freedom of people of Egypt or for elements supporting Israeli apartheid's open-ended, brutal oppression of mostly unarmed Palestinians?

c- If it's just verbal yamming about supporting dictators in other countries that are good for sustaining apartheid occupations in the region, you are right, it is expression free speech thought it would be speech smelling of arrogance or racial supremacism. But if supporting calls for financial/miliatry aid also, then it could rise to something much worse.


If you disagree, what do you think caused 9/11?

If you're going to say that it was US support for supremacist regimes/puppet dictators that carried out/enabled occupation of Palestinians, all these questions should not even be debatable.

 

[ZenBowman]

To be fair, the US didn't really "intervene" in Egypt except to keep Mubarak in power.

Only when his downfall was obvious, did they actually switch allegiances, so the Egyptian revolution is not the US' fault.

In any case, Egypt is in for a hard few decades, they quadrupled their population, didn't increase their food supply, shrunk their water supply, and have few natural resources. They are screwed no matter what they do.