Egypt: Christian teen gets three years in jail for offensive Mohammed drawing on Facebook

[azxd]

For godness sake hasn't anybode read my post? These laws already existed way before the reovolution. It was already ILLEGAL and carried the same penalty,
Here is more information on a few cases before the revolution:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_Egypt

There are more cases than these, I presume, since Egypt has been known for this before the revolution.

People who get their panties twisted over the INTERNAL affairs of other nations, by applying our principles to another nation are a huge problem within this nations people.

50 years ago they might have chopped this kids head off in the public square ... Be thankful that such extremes are not the norm, ALL THE TIME.

I am just absolutely convinced that the best formula for giving us peace and preserving the American way of life is freedom, limited government, and minding our own business overseas - Ron Paul

Staying out of their business is a good approach.

 

[FrankRep]

Uhhhhh, whaaaaat? Most of the posters I recalled were decrying our intervention.

Many people on this forum were cheering for revolution in Egypt, you know, the ones that cheer for any type of revolution.

 

[The Free Hornet]

a- If you are not a democrat who advocates supporting/funding Israeli friendly butcher dictators in Egypt (or any other place), that free speech comment would not apply to you.

b- You are entitled to your beliefs. So do you support self-determination right for Palestinian individuals living under Israeli occupation for four decades or for Egyptian individuals people living under a foreign puppet dictator like Mubarik?

c- Better for who, for freedom of people of Egypt or for elements supporting Israeli apartheid's open-ended, brutal oppression of mostly unarmed Palestinians?

[you lost me here - but that is OK as I'm "slow" in these foreign matters]

a) There is no foreign aid I support.

b) Why ask? I support self-determination of all individuals and I doubt that is compatible with dueling theocracies or the one-state-two-state fiasco. Frankly, I don't know why you are asking me about Israel. The comment of yours which I quoted was not about Israel, neither were my comments...

c) Better for Christians and individuals. Perhaps my bias is showing as an ex-believer (atheist now). I don't know what is best for religious mobs other than for them to stop being religious mobs.

If you disagree, what do you think caused 9/11?

That's a big-ass curveball. Interventionalism could cause it. Islamoterrorism could cause it. Bad luck could cause it. Combine all three??? This was the quote of yours with which I have issue:

Such a view smells of arrogance or racist supremacism. What gives you or anyone the right to deny the Egyptian or any people in the world right for self determination and telling them that a dictator that is puppet of foreign masters is best for them?

I feel very strongly as if you served up a bad choice here:

- - - puppet dictatorships versus tribalism

I support neither.

Based on the survival likilihood of a white Christian/ex-Christian, I have little doubt as to which I would prefer.

 

[The Free Hornet]

For godness sake hasn't anybode read my post? These laws already existed way before the reovolution. It was already ILLEGAL and carried the same penalty,

There are laws against cursing in some jurisdictions. That is not usually news but when a cop or DA presses the charge, then it becomes news.

If your point is that the same outcome would occur - riots, burnt homes, years in jail - then we can say the revolution has failed to improve these particular aspects of life.

 

[oyarde]

By the way , a three year prison term in Egypt is about the same as a death sentence , unless things have changed in the past few months.

 

[furface]

By the way , a three year prison term in Egypt is about the same as a death sentence , unless things have changed in the past few months.

A nice thing for xenophobes to fantasize about, but it certainly has no basis in reality. Maikel Nabil was originally sentenced to 3 years in prison and was released after 10 months.

To a large extent these sentences are meant to avoid angry mobs ransacking entire neighborhoods. That's just the culture, so whatever.

I'd rather get a 3 year sentence in Egypt for blasphemy than pay the penalty for blaspheming the US State God. Considering not submitting your confessional material or not paying your tithes this coming Monday? Ask people like Wesley Snipes what happens.

If you want to look for a country that sends massive amounts of people to prison for long periods of time for idiotic things, take a look at the country with the highest imprisonment rate, the United States.

 

[BlackTerrel]

A nice thing for xenophobes to fantasize about, but it certainly has no basis in reality. Maikel Nabil was originally sentenced to 3 years in prison and was released after 10 months.

To a large extent these sentences are meant to avoid angry mobs ransacking entire neighborhoods. That's just the culture, so whatever.

I'd rather get a 3 year sentence in Egypt for blasphemy than pay the penalty for blaspheming the US State God. Considering not submitting your confessional material or not paying your tithes this coming Monday? Ask people like Wesley Snipes what happens.

If you want to look for a country that sends massive amounts of people to prison for long periods of time for idiotic things, take a look at the country with the highest imprisonment rate, the United States.

If the US sucks so bad why are you still here?

There are plenty of things wrong in the USA. But the fact remains that Egyptians move here and not vice versa. I'd say that's evidence that it's preferable to live here than Cairo

 

[oyarde]

A nice thing for xenophobes to fantasize about, but it certainly has no basis in reality. Maikel Nabil was originally sentenced to 3 years in prison and was released after 10 months.

To a large extent these sentences are meant to avoid angry mobs ransacking entire neighborhoods. That's just the culture, so whatever.

I'd rather get a 3 year sentence in Egypt for blasphemy than pay the penalty for blaspheming the US State God. Considering not submitting your confessional material or not paying your tithes this coming Monday? Ask people like Wesley Snipes what happens.

If you want to look for a country that sends massive amounts of people to prison for long periods of time for idiotic things, take a look at the country with the highest imprisonment rate, the United States.

I agree US prisons send people to prison for long terms for dumb shit , I would also tell you I have seen Egyptian prisons , and people in US prisons do not have dogs put on them in the cell nor do they share a standard cell with a dozen others ... i have been many places , I would rate Egypt , slightly better than very few ( North Korea and Saud being the only things that comes to mind ), I would prefer Pakistan ,

 

[Danke]

If the US sucks so bad why are you still here?

You need to ask RP this question.

 

[ExPatPaki]

If the US sucks so bad why are you still here?

So you're a love it or leave it authoritarian:

 

[BlackTerrel]

You need to ask RP this question.

I don't think Ron Paul would compare Egypt to the US.

The US has a lot of issues. I'd still rather live here than most anywhere else.

 

[furface]

If the US sucks so bad why are you still here?

Only a slave would ask that question. Slaves run and hide instead of fighting.

But if you must know, I've considered moving to Northern Africa. Most immigration into this US has to do with economics, not "freedom." Nobody moves to the US anymore because they like the culture or the system of government.

For instance I talk to my former Mexican neighbors and they live here because they can get a job. They actually complain that there are too many police and too many laws here. That's even with the drug wars going on in Mexico which they blame on the US.

I'm guessing that immigration for financially independent people between places like Egypt & the US is negative in respect to the US, although statistics are hard to come by. I know a lot of people who sort of country hop and have their choice of where to live, and not one of them wants live in the US.

I know plenty of Americans with marketable skills that want to move to Europe or other places, but can't because of immigration laws.

 

[BlackTerrel]

I find that hard to believe. I know a whole community of Egyptians who moved here precisely because they were being discriminated against. One I went to college with.

 

[furface]

I find that hard to believe. I know a whole community of Egyptians who moved here precisely because they were being discriminated against. One I went to college with.

I wouldn't have moved to Egypt 2 years ago, but I would do it today. One of the things about America & the rest of the world is that the rest of the world seems to be getting more freedom, while the US is getting more tyrannical. In Northern Africa I would move to Tunisia, Egypt, or Morocco. Maybe Algeria. I'd stay clear of Libya because of the aftermath of NATO. I'd love to move to Iraq, but the US and NATO seemed to mess that up too.

BTW, today is Coptic Easter. Happy Easter.

 

[angelatc]

I still remember when Obama (and most of the posters on RPF) were cheering the downfall of Mubarak. I know a number of Copts here in the US and they cheered it too - now they wish things would go back to the way they were. "The devil you know..."

http://global.christianpost.com/new...l-for-offensive-muhammad-illustrations-72755/

Egypt is a Muslim country. The end.

 

[GuerrillaXXI]

If the US sucks so bad why are you still here?

"Love it or leave it" has gotten pretty threadbare. What about "love it or change it"? Not everyone is inclined to just surrender the country in which they grew up to those who are ruining it.

The fact that the US is better to live in than some places does not mean the situation in the US is acceptable. It's kind of like the way a person can't claim to be healthy just because he has hepatitis instead of brain cancer.

 

[BlackTerrel]

I wouldn't have moved to Egypt 2 years ago, but I would do it today. One of the things about America & the rest of the world is that the rest of the world seems to be getting more freedom, while the US is getting more tyrannical. In Northern Africa I would move to Tunisia, Egypt, or Morocco. Maybe Algeria. I'd stay clear of Libya because of the aftermath of NATO. I'd love to move to Iraq, but the US and NATO seemed to mess that up too.

BTW, today is Coptic Easter. Happy Easter.

Cheers. Please post from Egypt once you get there.

"Love it or leave it" has gotten pretty threadbare. What about "love it or change it"? Not everyone is inclined to just surrender the country in which they grew up to those who are ruining it.

The fact that the US is better to live in than some places does not mean the situation in the US is acceptable. It's kind of like the way a person can't claim to be healthy just because he has hepatitis instead of brain cancer.

I agree 100%. There are plenty of things wrong with the US and that is why I try to get involved in politics. My post was to furface who seems to believe that Egypt has a better standard of living than the US. And turns out I am right. In the post above he wants to move there... or to Algeria maybe. Hopefully he will post some of his experiences from living there.

 

[furface]

My post was to furface who seems to believe that Egypt has a better standard of living than the US.

What are you drunk? I said most immigration into the US has to do with economics, not "freedom." That was my point which appears to be too nuanced for you, but not lost on other people here.

One of my pet theories is that America has become a breeding ground for stupidity. Crackpot ideas like Zionism and American exceptionalism gain prominence, not because of rationality, but because they make fools feel superior to other people.

You know the ruling party in Egypt appears to be moving towards a group of engineers, doctors, academics, and intellectuals known as the "Muslim Brotherhood" in English. That must scare the hell out of corrupt minds in declining countries like America who fear that reason in politics will start to spread.

 

[jmdrake]

When Muslims persecute Christians it's the most important topic ever. When Christians persecute Christians its a "conspiracy theory" that certain people like the OP can't bring themselves to acknowledge.

http://www.persecution.org/category/countries/north-america/mexico/

 

[csu1987]

It's sad how arab types now have egypt when it was originally ber ber or Amazigh land.