Egg a day tied to lower risk of heart disease

[Suzanimal]

I didn't actually make that claim. But it is true that meat eaters have a much higher obesity rate than vegans and vegetarians. It's just common sense that eating things like McDonald's, Kentucky fried chicken, and other greasy "food" (look at the people who eat that stuff… most of them are obese) is far more likely to lead to obesity and other health problems than eating a healthy plant-based diet. Plus, people who eat the SAD are probably on average less concerned with health in general, and exercise.

Comparing a junk food laden omnivore diet to a healthy plant based diet is ridiculous. It's obvious that someone who loads up on fast food is going to be obese but a diet rich in lean animal protein isn't going to make you fat and there are obese vegans and vegetarians who load up on garbage, too.

IMO, a healthy diet is the one that works for you because everyone's needs are different.

 

[DamianTV]

Not particularly true. The body has to have protein and carbs can destroy certain blood types.

People are NOT fat from meats & fats- the irony is that you can not lose weight w/o fat.

Carbs & refined sugar are the biggest contributors to poor health - and most Americans over indulge in these- not meats.

The Keto diet is the healthiest diet around for both the body and the mind.

Yep. If the body has no source of fat, then it will not burn its own. Kind of like surgical starvation, and having the opposite effect that is intended.

As far as carbs and refined sugars, also agree. Sugar in your blood stream may as well be like shards of broken glass. Ive hard more than once that sugar is responsible for inflammation and high cholesterol!

 

[lilymc]

The Keto diet is the healthiest diet around for both the body and the mind.

I completely disagree, I think that is ridiculous. You've fallen for all the hype and propaganda.

 

[lilymc]

Comparing a junk food laden omnivore diet to a healthy plant based diet is ridiculous. It's obvious that someone who loads up on fast food is going to be obese but a diet rich in lean animal protein isn't going to make you fat and there are obese vegans and vegetarians who load up on garbage, too.

IMO, a healthy diet is the one that works for you because everyone's needs are different.

I was speaking in general, I wasn't equating those two, as you seem to have interpreted my post. Do you really think that the average obese American is eating only the grass fed, supposedly "healthy" meats? Or just the packaged meat at the grocery store that comes from factory farms, along with fast food? Don't apply a very small percentage of people onto the entire population.

 

[lilymc]

All life is valuable and has intelligence.

And that includes not only animals, but fruits, vegetables, herbs, as well as snakes, lizards, rodents, and insects. Spiders are some of the most intelligent creatures on the planet but most who scream about protecting animals, and hate meat eaters, have no problem killing a spider just because it's there.

And please realize that I am an avid animal lover and believe in taking care of the planet. What is necessary is to be grateful for ALL life that has been sacrificed for one's well being, whether it is a cow or an apple- they are both intelligent and deserve the best of care.

The "but plants have feelings too!" argument is by far the absolute dumbest "argument" of all. And I think if you truly believed that, you wouldn't eat plants OR animals, but especially animals who – unlike plants – have a central nervous system, a brain, and without a doubt display emotions and the ability to feel pain and suffering.

Also, I don't want to be rude or disrespectful, but I'm not going to lie… You don't truly love animals if you kill and eat them. That logic reminds me of something Jeffrey Dahmer would say.

 

[lilymc]

Yep. If the body has no source of fat, then it will not burn its own. Kind of like surgical starvation, and having the opposite effect that is intended.

As far as carbs and refined sugars, also agree. Sugar in your blood stream may as well be like shards of broken glass. Ive hard more than once that sugar is responsible for inflammation and high cholesterol!

Of course healthy fats are good, I'm all for eating healthy plant-based fats that come from things like nuts, avocado, etc. But animal fat is a different story, and there are tons and tons of studies show a diet high in animal products linked to clogged arteries, higher risk of cancer and heart disease, etc.

But of course no one wants to give up the things they love, so they prefer to find good things written about their dietary habits.

 

[Danke]

The "but plants have feelings too!" argument is by far the absolute dumbest "argument" of all. And I think if you truly believed that, you wouldn't eat plants OR animals, but especially animals who – unlike plants – have a central nervous system, a brain, and without a doubt display emotions and the ability to feel pain and suffering.

Also, I don't want to be rude or disrespectful, but I'm not going to lie… You don't truly love animals if you kill and eat them. That logic reminds me of something Jeffrey Dahmer would say.

 

[DamianTV]

Of course healthy fats are good, I'm all for eating healthy plant-based fats that come from things like nuts, avocado, etc. But animal fat is a different story, and there are tons and tons of studies show a diet high in animal products linked to clogged arteries, higher risk of cancer and heart disease, etc.

But of course no one wants to give up the things they love, so they prefer to find good things written about their dietary habits.

When they come up with ways to defend an irrational idea, as you described, its called Rationalizing. For people that dont understand that, it would be like an Alcoholic explaining why always being drunk is healthy. Its a mental defense tactic that many people use to prevent challenging or changing their own point of view. Its part of Denial.

Anyhow, I agree, too much meat is also bad. Well, anything out of that balance. All things in moderation. Also, to validate you even further, even those bad cholesterols break down into Vitamin D3 with direct sunlight on the skin. Takes a while to do, but thats the chemistry. Isnt it funny how they immediately come out and say Sunlight is BAD? Always use Sunscreen? Whats next, there is no safe level of Sunlight what so ever? We should ban Sunlight! Sure, too much sunlight can be very bad. Not just sunburns, but in excess, sure. But what they would have people do is literally hide in dark caves and never ever see the Sun period. Why is that? And, just how many reports do we see on how good Vitamin D3 is for people? I think [MENTION=7656]donnay[/MENTION] will be able to post one of a bazillion things about Vitamin D3 is needed.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I completely disagree, I think that is ridiculous. You've fallen for all the hype and propaganda.

Keto has been prescribed for decades now-long before it was trendy-for people with CNS (central nervous system) and all sorts of diseases because it works. @Ender is factually correct.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Also, I don't want to be rude or disrespectful, but I'm not going to lie… You don't truly love animals if you kill and eat them. That logic reminds me of something Jeffrey Dahmer would say.

No, I do not "love animals".

"Love" has been so tortured, abused and twisted, as a word, an emotion and a state of mind so as to become utterly worthless, especially when applied to creatures that have no concept of any that, and have become nothing more than anthropomorphized symbols of what once was the most powerful, pure and rare of all human traits.

Animals are a resource, no different to me than oil or minerals or lumber.

Were I born in the correct century, I'd probably have been a whaler.

Which is just one of the reasons it's ridiculous to try and justify veganism through scriptures...when the very same scriptures 150 years ago were used to justify the hunt for whales to near extinction.

Because I enjoy a steak and burger, does not make my Jeffery Dahmer either.

Many times just the opposite is true: people who have no true love in their hearts, and instead shower affection on mindless animals as if they were as good or better than human companionship, have the sociopathic or psychopathic tendencies displayed by a Dahmer.

 

[Anti Federalist]

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[lilymc]

No, I do not "love animals".

"Love" has been so tortured, abused and twisted, as a word, an emotion and a state of mind so as to become utterly worthless, especially when applied to creatures that have no concept of any that, and have become nothing more than anthropomorphized symbols of what once was the most powerful, pure and rare of all human traits.

Animals are a resource, no different to me than oil or minerals or lumber.

Were I born in the correct century, I'd probably have been a whaler.

Which is just one of the reasons it's ridiculous to try and justify veganism through scriptures...when the very same scriptures 150 years ago were used to justify the hunt for whales to near extinction.

I know you don't, you have made that clear, I wasn't speaking to you or someone with your mindset. In fact, as horrible as it is to me, at least you're consistent.

Because I enjoy a steak and burger, does not make my Jeffery Dahmer either.

Many times just the opposite is true: people who have no true love in their hearts, and instead shower affection on mindless animals as if they were as good or better than human companionship, have the sociopathic or psychopathic tendencies displayed by a Dahmer.

You completely misunderstood the Jeffrey Dahmer comment, that was not about meat eaters, I was specifically talking about the bizarreness of saying you love someone but then killing and eating them. But actually, I understand… I was that way too, for a number of years. I claimed to love animals but I ate them too. Of course at that time I was blind, but towards the end I did start feeling the discomfort of that cognitive dissonance and I even wrote a blog post about it.

As for the last thing you said, nice try but the opposite is true. It is a known fact that most serial killers start out as animal abusers. When a young person is cruel to an animal, it is often warning sign of a troubled mind, and sometimes that leads to more serious crimes. But this is neither here nor there, as I was not speaking to you, I was speaking about people who say they love animals but then eat them.

 

[lilymc]

Keto has been prescribed for decades now-long before it was trendy-for people with CNS (central nervous system) and all sorts of diseases because it works. @Ender is factually correct.

No, he/she is not. Ender was not talking specifically about treating certain problems, (like CNS problems) he/she said it was the healthiest diet all around, and that is flat out false. Sure people have lost weight on this diet, but that in and of itself doesn't make it healthy. You can lose weight smoking cigarettes or from chemotherapy, but I wouldn't recommend those things either. Despite any short term benefits, in the long run it's dangerous. But I can definitely understand why people like it. Who wouldn't want to eat all their favorite foods like lard and bacon and steak, etc. lol

 

[heavenlyboy34]

No, he/she is not. Ender was not talking specifically about treating certain problems, (like CNS problems) he/she said it was the healthiest diet all around, and that is flat out false. Sure people have lost weight on this diet, but that in and of itself doesn't make it healthy. You can lose weight smoking cigarettes or from chemotherapy, but I wouldn't recommend those things either. Despite any short term benefits, in the long run it's dangerous. But I can definitely understand why people like it. Who wouldn't want to eat all their favorite foods like lard and bacon and steak, etc. lol

They're not everyone's favourite foods, though. Carb and sugar addiction are way more common. That's why processed food (including many vegan products) has so much sugar in it. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/eating-mindfully/201204/sugar-addiction

 

[Danke]

Is killing insects OK?

 

[Anti Federalist]

 

[Suzanimal]

The "but plants have feelings too!" argument is by far the absolute dumbest "argument" of all. And I think if you truly believed that, you wouldn't eat plants OR animals, but especially animals who – unlike plants – have a central nervous system, a brain, and without a doubt display emotions and the ability to feel pain and suffering.

Also, I don't want to be rude or disrespectful, but I'm not going to lie… You don't truly love animals if you kill and eat them. That logic reminds me of something Jeffrey Dahmer would say.

-rep

Really? Well, you are. The Jeffery Dahmer comparison and comments like the one below illustrate that you do want to be rude and disrespectful. At least be honest about it.

Never been there. I guess I've been living out of the country for a long time, because I'm not even familiar with the place.

But from the sound of it, I probably wouldn't go there anyway, if all they serve is thinly sliced rotting flesh coated with coagulated cow pus. :o But knock yourself out.

Anyhoo, I don't really care what you eat or believe as long as you don't try to force it on me. If ya do, I hope you at least have the balls to come to my house and try to take it yourself and not send government goons.

 

[Ender]

I completely disagree, I think that is ridiculous. You've fallen for all the hype and propaganda.

That would be YOU.

I am a 100% natural health advocate. I have seen friends suffering from severe anxiety and depression CURED through the Keto diet.

I am also an animal lover- and I love and respect, and give thanks for, all living things on the earth.

Trees are highly intelligent- all living things have a form of intelligence. Many studies are showing the hive mind of trees and how they protect their own. Just because they are not soft furry pets that you can relate to, does NOT negate this.

Plants react to music- they grow better and faster with certain kinds of music. They also react to being spoken to- that has also been proved.

So keep on hating people who don't think like you do- but I will continue to give thanks for all life around me.

 

[lilymc]

-rep

Really? Well, you are. The Jeffery Dahmer comparison and comments like the one below illustrate that you do want to be rude and disrespectful. At least be honest about it.

You know what is rude? (not to mention hateful) Going around saying that all vegans are batshit crazy, but I didn't -rep you or lash out at you about that. Furthermore, you managed to completely miss the point, and I already explained that to AF, but I guess you didn't read that post? I wasn't talking about meateaters in general when I brought up the Jeffrey Dahmer comment, I was specifically talking about the bizarreness of claiming to adore animals but then killing/eating them. And even that was said in a sort of tongue-in-cheek way, which obviously did not come across… But I would think that you of all people would understand that not everything is to be taken so literally/seriously. But if you were offended by this, I'm sorry, I will exit your safe space.

Anyhoo, I don't really care what you eat or believe as long as you don't try to force it on me. If ya do, I hope you at least have the balls to come to my house and try to take it yourself and not send government goons.

I am absolutely against forcing people to do anything. So I don't know where that came from, because we were talking about completely other things. Anyway, I've got other far more important things I have to do today, besides sit around on this forum, so I'm leaving this discussion for now.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Is killing insects OK?

What about Bacteria?