E-mail Received from the Constitution Party

[greywolf]

This is an email message that I received from Ms. Donna Ivanovich. She is the state chair for the Constitution Party in Missouri. I was inquiring about the 9th District Congressional seat up for grabs in Missouri and about their candidates. Please read and forward to all concerned. I have her permission to put this in the forum.
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My dear Michael,

I am sorry that you learned the hard way about the power and corruption in the Republican Party. They didn't used to be so bad. Unfortunately, they are the reason that the Constitution Party even exists and is growing so quickly.

The CP founder, Howard Phillips, was a Republican working in a Republican White House and President of the Conservative Caucus. The great majority of CP leaders and members are, like you, former, disgruntled Republicans.

It is, however, encouraging to hear from others who feel strongly enough about the future of our country to seek out the only political party in America that is committed to restoring constitutional limits to our nation.

Many CPers spent much of their time and money in Ron Paul's campaign to the detriment of the Constitution Party. One of our presidential candidates, Chuck Baldwin, was his biggest cheer leader writing weekly newsletters and talking about Dr. Paul on his radio program.

For months and months, I begged Ron Paul supporters to file for office on the CP ticket all over Missouri, including Kenny Hulshoff's district, with the idea it could be in name only, or they could withdraw their name later if they wanted to continue working inside the Republican Party for Dr. Paul. I explained that Ron Paul needed constitutionalists elected to every office to help him because the GOP will not raise a finger in his support. I begged them not to wait until the GOP convention was over because it would be too late. It was FREE to declare your candidacy. But, alas, only a few volunteered.

I am sorry, Michael, but Missouri submitted their list of candidates 2 weeks ago. It is too late to file for Hulshoff''s seat. That would have been a great race to run without an encumbent, and people are sick to death of republicans and democrats. One can win that race without even trying, and you didn't even have to live in the District to run.

Dr. Paul was invited to seek the CP presidential nomination, but he refused. Of course, like the ole saying goes, "it's not over til the fat lady sings". Well, he has 5 more days to change his mind and show up. That's all he has to do......show up!

However, it is NOT too late for you and other RPers to help us build this Party. If Dr. Paul wishes to stay in the Republican Party as a Congressman from Texas, then perhaps he will change his mind in 4 more years. With your help and the help of other RPers, we can do it. It's a lot of work, as you well know. We are up against the globalist/elites. Even professing Christian leaders are wringing their hands trying to justify their support of John McCain. Can you believe it!

I encourage you to attend the convention next week in Kansas City. You can attend on Saturday only for just $50/person. It will be well worth it to fellowship with like-minded patriots who refuse to compromise and vote for the lesser of 2 evils (because you still get evil, you know).

So far, only Dr. Alan Keyes and Chuck Baldwin will be seeking the presidential nomination. Either one would be far greater than the 2 we will be faced with in November.

It is our hope that you will decide to join ranks with us in this great task of restoring our Republic. Liberty is not only a blessing; it is a responsibility and a sacred trust. It is not only our right; it is our duty to remain free. The future of our children, grandchildren, and indeed the nation, depends on the commitment of concerned citizens like you.

With your help, we can bring a message of freedom, hope, and victory.

For the cause of Liberty,

Donna Ivanovich
State Chair
Constitution Party of Missouri
www.constitutionpartymo.org

 

[cameronb]

SO torn....

 

[greywolf]

Brad in DC,

I am somewhat new to the forums, so I am not sure if this is the correct place for this post. Please feel free to move it to a better location if necessary. I feel it is an important post to show how RP'ers are being treated. We are not alone in this.

Thank you,
Greywolf.

 

[yongrel]

So the anti-porn party is trying to siphon off support from the Ron Paul Revolution in order to bolster their own power.

No thanks.

 

[acptulsa]

Brad in DC,

I am somewhat new to the forums, so I am not sure if this is the correct place for this post. Please feel free to move it to a better location if necessary. I feel it is an important post to show how RP'ers are being treated. We are not alone in this.

Thank you,
Greywolf.

Bradley isn't one of the moderators. And yes, something like Other Candidates would have been more appropriate.

 

[Midnight77]

So the anti-porn party is trying to siphon off support from the Ron Paul Revolution in order to bolster their own power.

No thanks.

The RP Revolution in its attempts to "change" the Republican Party, is a failure. The party is not changing, no matter what, and I am surprised that so many people are blinded by this. This is now the Party of the Elite and there is nothing you can do to change it ... except leave the GOP and support either the Libertarian or Constitution Party. Or register Independent.

But the key is to get out of the GOP and withdraw your registration from it.

 

[JS4Pat]

I thoroughly respect this CP reps position, and Nader's position and the LP's position. Hell - that was my position before 2007.

In 2008 - I am certainly not proud to call myself a Republican.

That said - Now I am all about advancing this message as fast and as effectively as possible. Party labels mean little to me anymore outside of whether or not they serve as a means to our end.

I would "feel" better about taking our movement down the 3rd Party/Independent road - but I am pretty convinced we will accomplish more by using the GOP strategy.

Personally - I like the RLC approach. The organization is recognized by the GOP and pretty much holds the principles and ideals our movement was built around. And even more importantly - you can be a member of the RLC without being a Republican. This gives us the chance to work with the CP, LP and other Independents in educating people and advancing the message while still allowing us to gain power and influence in the republican Party.

 

[yongrel]

The RP Revolution in its attempts to "change" the Republican Party, is a failure. The party is not changing, no matter what, and I am surprised that so many people are blinded by this. This is now the Party of the Elite and there is nothing you can do to change it ... except leave the GOP and support either the Libertarian or Constitution Party. Or register Independent.

But the key is to get out of the GOP and withdraw your registration from it.

You're calling the ballgame in the first inning.

 

[acptulsa]

But the key is to get out of the GOP and withdraw your registration from it.

I don't think so. We are about waking people up, so what we need to do is either bend the G.O.P. to serve the needs of the people or demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt to the people that the G.O.P. refuses to serve their needs.

In one event, we don't need to withdraw. In the other event it will shrivel up and die around us. Either way the U.S. wins.

 

[Midnight77]

You're calling the ballgame in the first inning.

This isn't a ballgame. And you sure as Hell don't have time on your side for 9 innings, as rapid as this country is going down the tubes. What you want to accomplish is going to take years and years to accomplish ... in undoing what Bush has done to the Party. We don't have that kind of time, sadly ... and this is so blatantly obvious to those that are willing to step out of the box and look at it from the Outside.

Why would anyone want to keep a corrupt Party like this going?

 

[Midnight77]

I don't think so. We are about waking people up, so what we need to do is either bend the G.O.P. to serve the needs of the people or demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt to the people that the G.O.P. refuses to serve their needs.

In one event, we don't need to withdraw. In the other event it will shrivel up and die around us. Either way the U.S. wins.

The people that primarily make up the GOP are the Wealthy 20% in the country. The same 20% that actually approve of Bush's job as President. The ones that are making money off the War. The CEO's. Big business. And you think these people are willing to change their ways?

And you think the middle class members are able to overthrow the big wigs in charge of the Party's direction? It's not happening.

I want the Neocons in Power out. But the only way that is happening is to leave them, and quit supporting them. Because as long as they have the numbers, then they will remain in Power. The most powerful message you can actually send the GOP is to leave them. That's the only way they are going to get the message loud and clear.

 

[crazyfingers]

This isn't a ballgame. And you sure as Hell don't have time on your side for 9 innings, as rapid as this country is going down the tubes. What you want to accomplish is going to take years and years to accomplish ... in undoing what Bush has done to the Party. We don't have that kind of time, sadly ... and this is so blatantly obvious to those that are willing to step out of the box and look at it from the Outside.

Why would anyone want to keep a corrupt Party like this going?

What have the Libertarian and Constitution Parties accomplished in there many years of existence? In fact it seems to me, by providing a third party sanctuary for freedom fighters, that those two organizations have been extremely counterproductive in the fight to restore constitutionally limited government. If we actually want things to change, we need to step up and demand it -- not sit on the sidelines and allow ourselves to be marginalized.

 

[Midnight77]

What have the Libertarian and Constitution Parties accomplished in there many years of existence? In fact it seems to me, by providing a third party sanctuary for freedom fighters, that those two organizations have been extremely counterproductive in the fight to restore constitutionally limited government.

Or register Independent, like I said. You staying in the Party still makes the GOP a threat because it continues to exist, especially when you aren't changing a damn thing, and nor do you have the time on your side to do so.

What progress are you making in the GOP? The Party of Big Business and the Elite? You get yourselves thrown out of Conventions, Meetings, you don't cause a dent in any of the Primaries, and then you come on here and whine and complain about how the GOP treats you unfairly? Yet, you still remain in the Party and keep it going. Go figure. Anyone with a shred of sense would realize that the GOP does not want you in their Party and does not want to even be associated with you. So why bother keeping a Party like this going that doesn't give a damn about you or what is important to you?

 

[acptulsa]

I want the Neocons in Power out. But the only way that is happening is to leave them, and quit supporting them. Because as long as they have the numbers, then they will remain in Power. The most powerful message you can actually send the GOP is to leave them. That's the only way they are going to get the message loud and clear.

It isn't enough for us to leave them and quit supporting them. We don't support them now. We have to show voters the truth about them. We have to get the uninitiated, uneducated faithful to follow our example.

We're doing the right thing. Try to get in there and get representation for the people and document what they do to us. Just like those films of the firehoses being turned on the freedom marchers back in the day. We take our lumps so the public can see what really gives. That job isn't done yet. We aren't supporting them. We're exposing them. See what I mean?

 

[JS4Pat]

The RP Revolution in its attempts to "change" the Republican Party, is a failure.

Only if you assume that it was a 1 year attempt and it's now time to measure the results.

We are only getting started on the GOP. If you thought you could join the Party, support Ron Paul and then change the party in 1 year - you are delusional. However - if we harness a good chunk of this revolution movement and dedicate ourselves to the mission of reforming the GOP it's not delusional to think that in 4 years we can win. And honestly as entrenched as the 2 party system is - I just don't see anyway we could do that as a third party movement.

 

[Midnight77]

It isn't enough for us to leave them and quit supporting them. We don't support them now. We have to show voters the truth about them. We have to get the uninitiated, uneducated faithful to follow our example.

We're doing the right thing. Try to get in there and get representation for the people and document what they do to us. Just like those films of the firehoses being turned on the freedom marchers back in the day. We take our lumps so the public can see what really gives. That job isn't done yet. We aren't supporting them. We're exposing them. See what I mean?

You are preaching to the wrong choir. How many slammed doors do you need in your faces when you continue preaching to a group of naive, older voters who don't want to be educated with in the first place? Or Big Business owners/CEO's that primarily make up the GOP, who don't care about what you have to say because their profits are more important to them than the Middle Class.

This base of voters does not care about what you have to say, and will continue to shut you out, and Ignore you. Again, if time isn't on your side, voters don't want to be educated, why beat a dead horse and continue supporting a Party like this that is not interested in what you have to say?

 

[acptulsa]

You are preaching to the wrong choir. How many slammed doors do you need in your faces when you continue preaching to a group of naive, older voters who don't want to be educated with in the first place? Or Big Business owners/CEO's that primarily make up the GOP, who don't care about what you have to say because their profits are more important to them than the Middle Class.

This base of voters does not care about what you have to say, and will continue to shut you out, and Ignore you. Again, if time isn't on your side, voters don't want to be educated, why beat a dead horse and continue supporting a Party like this that is not interested in what you have to say?

The votes of the top five percent don't win all those elections. I am on the ground. I've been to the conventions. We are winning over converts among the religious, the conservative, the values minded--those people who don't really want to shill for the rich but do want to see a non-liberal agenda pursued. Unless you're out there, you don't know.

Progress is being made. On the ground where it counts. They are only the top five percent and they don't have the hearts and minds of the people. The convention goers are five percent shills getting something out of it and 95% concerned citizens, and the more the five screw us to the wall, the more the 95 say, hey, they're just conservatives like me...

 

[JS4Pat]

You are preaching to the wrong choir. How many slammed doors do you need in your faces when you continue preaching to a group of naive, older voters who don't want to be educated with in the first place? Or Big Business owners/CEO's that primarily make up the GOP, who don't care about what you have to say because their profits are more important to them than the Middle Class.

This base of voters does not care about what you have to say, and will continue to shut you out, and Ignore you. Again, if time isn't on your side, voters don't want to be educated, why beat a dead horse and continue supporting a Party like this that is not interested in what you have to say?

Then let's fill the party with our people so those SOBs get squeezed right out the door!

It's not the GOP I like - its the ready made structure and access it offers us.

Otherwise we have to fight 2 battles. One battle just for the playing field before the real battle even gets started!

 

[Midnight77]

Then let's fill the party with our people so those SOBs get squeezed right out the door!

It's not the GOP I like - its the ready made structure and access it offers us.

Otherwise we have to fight 2 battles. One battle just for the playing field before the real battle even gets started!

Wealth is power. The little man isn't even getting let in the door.

I think most people who were upset with the GOP have likely already left it by either registering Democrat or Independent. And I have to agree with this mentality, because I think it is the most efficient way to deal with the problem and is more likely to bring about results in a quicker fashion than continuing to beat a dead horse.

Clearly, most people still left on the Forum can not let go of the GOP for one reason or another. The GOP of old is dead and I am not convinced it is coming back anytime soon.

Yet some people feel in their hearts that the best way to deal with it is to "beat the GOP from within", and slowly try to educate voters. Others feel that the way to deal with this Organization is to leave it and let it die on its own, realizing that the current GOP voter base really has no interest in what you have to say. That is the approach I have decided to take.

Good luck to those of you who want to continue "educating" voters. Your intentions are noble, but as a realist, I just don't see it happening anytime soon and to any real degree because you are preaching to people who don't want to be educated. We're just on 2 different paths in this regard.

And with that being said, after 1,197 posts ... this will be my final post to the RP Forums, as it is time for me to take a different direction than the rest of you ... as I have left the GOP. I wish you all the best of luck in your mission.

 

[acptulsa]

And with that being said, after 1,197 posts ... this will be my final post to the RP Forums, as it is time for me to take a different direction than the rest of you ... as I have left the GOP. I wish you all the best of luck in your mission.

Hope not. After all, even if we're fighting on different fronts, we're fighting the same enemy and the same war.

Please keep in touch, brother in arms.