Christopher A. Brown
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What is shared in this thread could easily surround all American politics, because those politics are not functional and the powers that be know it. That dysfunction has been cultivated for a reason. Perhaps to cultivate a false need or vacuum for control, that ultimately destroys the principals of the 1787 constitution beyond any hope of recovery.
The first threat has a face that is above board, with a hidden body of corporations controlling it, and it will very likely try to hijack an Article V convention. Here's what it looks like.
http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/mar...your-power-from-runaway-obama/article/2556952
By Paul Bedard Via the Washington Examiner-
The building national movement for a constitutional convention to block President Obama's executive orders got a huge boost Thursday when leading advocate Mark Levin urged state lawmakers to throttle all of Washington, including Republicans.
"Take your power back," he demanded of the hundreds of lawmakers attending the American Legislative Exchange Council convention on Capitol Hill. "You are the last line of defense of liberty."
Levin got star billing because a focus of the winter meeting of the limited government group is pushing for a convention of states, a project of the Citizens for Self-Governance, who sponsored the top talk show host who recently wrote a book laying out constitutional amendments the nation should consider.
He described a nation that is morphing into a "post-constitutional" crisis where state legislatures are "irrelevant," and the president and Congress do whatever they want, and nobody in Washington provides checks and balances.
"We have a president of the United States who says, 'Hey, Congress won't act. I will.' Excuse me? Well what's that? Sounds like a runaway convention to me," he said.
Ditto for Republicans. "Throw out the establishment Republicans and others who are stopping you from doing what you need to do," Levin urged.
To applause, he pushed legislators to consider a convention of 2,000-3,000 delegates to review procedures for hosting a constitutional convention as a warning shot to Congress and the White House. "That alone would shake up this city," he said.
While Levin and convention proponents have support, some at the ALEC event said it was too radical a move, and a few cited criticisms that a conservative-led convention would go too far.
Levin rejected the concerns about a "runaway convention," noting that the Constitution requires many states to approve any action, making it unlikely that a radical idea would get through.
He dismissed critics, and added that proponents are simply trying to save the Constitution.
"Ignore these idiots," he said of critics, adding about his backers, "we're not some cult over here. We're the majority."
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Now I’m worried. I’ve been trying to find out for about a year if “Convention of States” (COS) is associated with ALEC in any way. Could not find a connection. Word was a home school guy is behind the Citizens for Self-Governance group that started it. We know the Koch brothers are behind ALEC. Big time exploitation of GATT, petroleum and gas. Perhaps okay if benefitting the US, but it’s sold offshore, Asia and Africa. GATT and NAFTA are treason removing US law from control over US territory.
You will be surprised to know that the cognitive infiltration at Occupy Wall Street forum opposed making ALEC accountable to constitutional intent in 2011. Soros through asbusters created OWS.
“Convention of States” seemed more grass roots, but refused to dialogue about the notion that “the people are the rightful masters of the congress and the courts” (Lincoln 1859) and that for them to be the masters they need to be prepared to run a check on CONSTITUTIONAL INTENT. When COS failed to discuss constitutional intent and "Preparatory Amendment", I became suspicious.
What I think I’m seeing is two heads of the same monster getting ready to hijack a convention and leave the determination of constitutional intent up to corporations and incumbent politicians USING Obama as an excuse and reason.
With Levin as a ringmaster making comforting noises of saving the constitution for the people to sleep on.
WTF didn't they work to get him out before he made such a mess? The BC issue, the universities that will not release records, the court decisions violating due process, law and constitutional rights of people trying to get the truth.
What if the infiltrated federal government finally controls enough states to pass amendments that are unconstitutional? If that is 3/4 of the states, the remaining states cannot stop it. And, we already know congress is not constitutional.
Now we find out COS is sponsoring Levin at an ALEC event on Article V.
Let me spell this out for you.
If the people do not know what constitutional intent is, AND the state legislators of 3/4 of the states are in the pocket of the infiltrated federal government, THEN they can amend violating constitutional intent and no one will even know until it is too late.
This reeks of a potential set up folks.
IF Obama was put in position to drive the nation to accept Article V, and ALEC with COS are going to run it through the states, THEN it could be very bad because all of the corporations of ALEC are doing WTO business.
Levin is a fast talker, this is as close to a transcript as I can get.
"He's saying less than 70 of you .... 2 from less than 2/3 of the State legislatures serving as delegates so 2/3 x 50 x2 equals 66." He does later refer to 3/4 of the States.
Later in the video, after about 29 minutes, the gist of what he says is almost opposite. He mocks people worried about a runaway because there are hundreds involved in each state.
Now, the other threat to the constitution is more covert. Basically multinational corporations nullifying laws by the agreement of government.
There's a thread about it here.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...veals-Far-Reaching-Assault-on-US-EU-Democracy
From that thread there is a summary of what is happening.
"Regulatory cooperation refers to the "harmonization of regulatory frameworks between the E.U. and the U.S. once the TTIP negotiations are done," ostensibly to ensure such regulations do not pose barriers to trade, the Corporate Europe Observatory explained earlier this month.
However, analysts have repeatedly warned that, euphemisms aside, "cooperation," in fact, allows corporate power to trample democratic protections, from labor to public health to climate regulations, while encouraging a race to the lowest possible standards.
What we have is congress and the president blatently conducting secret negotiations with groups of corporations that give those corporations, involved with foreign trade, power over laws.
Another level of treason is the reality of that. A level over GATT and NAFTA, which badly damaged the American economy also with massive environmental destruction here and abroad.
Both GATT and NAFTA usurp U.S. Law in U.S. Territory. That is a definition of treason.
There is only one way out of this situation, and America is, by its size and influence in a position to make or break this global corporate effort to basically run the world by the interests of business.
The way out is for Americans to use their option to "alter or abolish".
America has the governmental structure of Article V from which 3/4 of the states can amend the constitution. ALEC wants to empower corporations, but that is not constitutional because life is eventually compromised by environmental issues. Whereas the principles if the constitution, by default protect all things vital to life. Air and water are protected an these threats see to remove that lawful and rightful protection.
So, there are two threats, one potentially internally asserting corporate control, the other externally doing it. All based on short term profits being the most important thing. Both threats aim to get rid of government environmental controls.
Our educational system was hijacked long ago and the knowledge people needed to become truly independent has been slowly sequestered into "on the job training" and schools only teach the background sciences. So there is more to do than just ousting corporations from global leadership.
We must recover and consolidate the knowledge needed to teach successive generations true independence which is quite a bit more sustainable than anything centralized corporate activities can accomplish.
To "alter or abolish" Americans must be able to define constitutional intent. That definition can be asserted legally to take control of states then through the power of states, control the federal government by amendment of the constitution.
Here is strategy to do that, a lawful and peaceful revolution.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?471555-A-lawful-and-peaceful-revolution
The first threat has a face that is above board, with a hidden body of corporations controlling it, and it will very likely try to hijack an Article V convention. Here's what it looks like.
http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/mar...your-power-from-runaway-obama/article/2556952
By Paul Bedard Via the Washington Examiner-
The building national movement for a constitutional convention to block President Obama's executive orders got a huge boost Thursday when leading advocate Mark Levin urged state lawmakers to throttle all of Washington, including Republicans.
"Take your power back," he demanded of the hundreds of lawmakers attending the American Legislative Exchange Council convention on Capitol Hill. "You are the last line of defense of liberty."
Levin got star billing because a focus of the winter meeting of the limited government group is pushing for a convention of states, a project of the Citizens for Self-Governance, who sponsored the top talk show host who recently wrote a book laying out constitutional amendments the nation should consider.
He described a nation that is morphing into a "post-constitutional" crisis where state legislatures are "irrelevant," and the president and Congress do whatever they want, and nobody in Washington provides checks and balances.
"We have a president of the United States who says, 'Hey, Congress won't act. I will.' Excuse me? Well what's that? Sounds like a runaway convention to me," he said.
Ditto for Republicans. "Throw out the establishment Republicans and others who are stopping you from doing what you need to do," Levin urged.
To applause, he pushed legislators to consider a convention of 2,000-3,000 delegates to review procedures for hosting a constitutional convention as a warning shot to Congress and the White House. "That alone would shake up this city," he said.
While Levin and convention proponents have support, some at the ALEC event said it was too radical a move, and a few cited criticisms that a conservative-led convention would go too far.
Levin rejected the concerns about a "runaway convention," noting that the Constitution requires many states to approve any action, making it unlikely that a radical idea would get through.
He dismissed critics, and added that proponents are simply trying to save the Constitution.
"Ignore these idiots," he said of critics, adding about his backers, "we're not some cult over here. We're the majority."
-----------------
Now I’m worried. I’ve been trying to find out for about a year if “Convention of States” (COS) is associated with ALEC in any way. Could not find a connection. Word was a home school guy is behind the Citizens for Self-Governance group that started it. We know the Koch brothers are behind ALEC. Big time exploitation of GATT, petroleum and gas. Perhaps okay if benefitting the US, but it’s sold offshore, Asia and Africa. GATT and NAFTA are treason removing US law from control over US territory.
You will be surprised to know that the cognitive infiltration at Occupy Wall Street forum opposed making ALEC accountable to constitutional intent in 2011. Soros through asbusters created OWS.
“Convention of States” seemed more grass roots, but refused to dialogue about the notion that “the people are the rightful masters of the congress and the courts” (Lincoln 1859) and that for them to be the masters they need to be prepared to run a check on CONSTITUTIONAL INTENT. When COS failed to discuss constitutional intent and "Preparatory Amendment", I became suspicious.
What I think I’m seeing is two heads of the same monster getting ready to hijack a convention and leave the determination of constitutional intent up to corporations and incumbent politicians USING Obama as an excuse and reason.
With Levin as a ringmaster making comforting noises of saving the constitution for the people to sleep on.
WTF didn't they work to get him out before he made such a mess? The BC issue, the universities that will not release records, the court decisions violating due process, law and constitutional rights of people trying to get the truth.
What if the infiltrated federal government finally controls enough states to pass amendments that are unconstitutional? If that is 3/4 of the states, the remaining states cannot stop it. And, we already know congress is not constitutional.
Now we find out COS is sponsoring Levin at an ALEC event on Article V.
Let me spell this out for you.
If the people do not know what constitutional intent is, AND the state legislators of 3/4 of the states are in the pocket of the infiltrated federal government, THEN they can amend violating constitutional intent and no one will even know until it is too late.
This reeks of a potential set up folks.
IF Obama was put in position to drive the nation to accept Article V, and ALEC with COS are going to run it through the states, THEN it could be very bad because all of the corporations of ALEC are doing WTO business.
Levin is a fast talker, this is as close to a transcript as I can get.
"He's saying less than 70 of you .... 2 from less than 2/3 of the State legislatures serving as delegates so 2/3 x 50 x2 equals 66." He does later refer to 3/4 of the States.
Later in the video, after about 29 minutes, the gist of what he says is almost opposite. He mocks people worried about a runaway because there are hundreds involved in each state.
Now, the other threat to the constitution is more covert. Basically multinational corporations nullifying laws by the agreement of government.
There's a thread about it here.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...veals-Far-Reaching-Assault-on-US-EU-Democracy
From that thread there is a summary of what is happening.
"Regulatory cooperation refers to the "harmonization of regulatory frameworks between the E.U. and the U.S. once the TTIP negotiations are done," ostensibly to ensure such regulations do not pose barriers to trade, the Corporate Europe Observatory explained earlier this month.
However, analysts have repeatedly warned that, euphemisms aside, "cooperation," in fact, allows corporate power to trample democratic protections, from labor to public health to climate regulations, while encouraging a race to the lowest possible standards.
What we have is congress and the president blatently conducting secret negotiations with groups of corporations that give those corporations, involved with foreign trade, power over laws.
Another level of treason is the reality of that. A level over GATT and NAFTA, which badly damaged the American economy also with massive environmental destruction here and abroad.
Both GATT and NAFTA usurp U.S. Law in U.S. Territory. That is a definition of treason.
There is only one way out of this situation, and America is, by its size and influence in a position to make or break this global corporate effort to basically run the world by the interests of business.
The way out is for Americans to use their option to "alter or abolish".
America has the governmental structure of Article V from which 3/4 of the states can amend the constitution. ALEC wants to empower corporations, but that is not constitutional because life is eventually compromised by environmental issues. Whereas the principles if the constitution, by default protect all things vital to life. Air and water are protected an these threats see to remove that lawful and rightful protection.
So, there are two threats, one potentially internally asserting corporate control, the other externally doing it. All based on short term profits being the most important thing. Both threats aim to get rid of government environmental controls.
Our educational system was hijacked long ago and the knowledge people needed to become truly independent has been slowly sequestered into "on the job training" and schools only teach the background sciences. So there is more to do than just ousting corporations from global leadership.
We must recover and consolidate the knowledge needed to teach successive generations true independence which is quite a bit more sustainable than anything centralized corporate activities can accomplish.
To "alter or abolish" Americans must be able to define constitutional intent. That definition can be asserted legally to take control of states then through the power of states, control the federal government by amendment of the constitution.
Here is strategy to do that, a lawful and peaceful revolution.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?471555-A-lawful-and-peaceful-revolution
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