Durham report finally released.

[devil21]

So many reports, investigations, memes and stuff to click on! It must all be very important.

I'm sure Casey's quote about confusing the public matters not.

 

[TheCount]

It called for the unification of Upper and Lower Canada and the introduction of responsible government. The British Parliament implemented the first point but not the second.

Oh wait, wrong Durham Report.. that was Lord Durham.

Oh, no... did the mouthpieces that deliver your talking points mysteriously fail to mention the report's recommendations? At all?

I wonder why that might be...


I guess the answer to this:

Do you even know what it says?

Is no.

 

[acptulsa]

That's a good start.

Good. Steady, now. We're going to try the second step, and see if you can keep from falling down.

Why was he impeached for silly crap that he could skate on, instead of the charges they could have slapped on him that would have stuck?

Denial incoming...

 

[dannno]

Oh, no... did the mouthpieces that deliver your talking points mysteriously fail to mention the report's recommendations? At all?

I wonder why that might be...


I guess the answer to this:


Is no.

I think you're completely missing the point.

 

[acptulsa]

I think you're completely missing the point.

But you can't be sure, because you're unsure of the point yourself.

His point is, there is an actual report, and it does have actual stuff in it. Doing anything but reading it yourself is unreliable. Believing anything about it without reading it is an act of faith in somebody.

 

[ClaytonB]

Good. Steady, now. We're going to try the second step, and see if you can keep from falling down.

Why was he impeached for silly crap that he could skate on, instead of the charges they could have slapped on him that would have stuck?

Denial incoming...

Such as?

 

[acptulsa]

 

[jmdrake]

Do you even know what it says?
...

Yes.

This report does not recommend any wholesale changes in the guidelines and policies
that the Department and the FBI now have in place to ensure proper conduct and accountability
in how counterintelligence activities are carried out.

LOL.. ya, because it also says they BROKE those policies.

And what does it say should happen to the people who broke those policies?

I would say it amounts to Seditious Conspiracy to subvert the United States, I don't think anybody could logically argue against that.

You say lots of things.

What does the report say?

It called for the unification of Upper and Lower Canada and the introduction of responsible government. The British Parliament implemented the first point but not the second.

Oh wait, wrong Durham Report.. that was Lord Durham.

Oh, no... did the mouthpieces that deliver your talking points mysteriously fail to mention the report's recommendations? At all?

I wonder why that might be...


I guess the answer to this:


Is no.

I think you're completely missing the point.

But you can't be sure, because you're unsure of the point yourself.

His point is, there is an actual report, and it does have actual stuff in it. Doing anything but reading it yourself is unreliable. Believing anything about it without reading it is an act of faith in somebody.

From page 300 of the actual report:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/15/politics/read-durham-report/index.html

Thus, we first discuss below the prior review that the OIG conducted of the FBI's handling of the Robert Hanssen investigation, focusing on problems that appeared both in that investigation and Crossfire Hurricane. We then turn to measures to assist in the full and complete consideration of politically sensitive investigations and make FISA applications more understandable and complete for the officials and judges who review and approve them. We conclude with a discussion of bias and improper motivation and suggest one possible FBI reform for consideration by the Department. We do not try to review all the many changes that have already been made but rather seek to build on them.​

And no I haven't read the entire 316 page behemoth of a report. The PDF search function is your friend. You're welcome.

 

[Occam's Banana]

From page 300 of the actual report:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/15/politics/read-durham-report/index.html

Thus, we first discuss below the prior review that the OIG conducted of the FBI's handling of the Robert Hanssen investigation, focusing on problems that appeared both in that investigation and Crossfire Hurricane. We then turn to measures to assist in the full and complete consideration of politically sensitive investigations and make FISA applications more understandable and complete for the officials and judges who review and approve them. We conclude with a discussion of bias and improper motivation and suggest one possible FBI reform for consideration by the Department. We do not try to review all the many changes that have already been made but rather seek to build on them.​

And no I haven't read the entire 316 page behemoth of a report. The PDF search function is your friend. You're welcome.

If that "one possible FBI reform" does not come down to "abolish the FBI and replace it with nothing", then they're just posturing.

Spoiler alert:

 

They're just posturing.

 

[Anti Federalist]

 

[dannno]

From page 300 of the actual report:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/15/politics/read-durham-report/index.html

Thus, we first discuss below the prior review that the OIG conducted of the FBI's handling of the Robert Hanssen investigation, focusing on problems that appeared both in that investigation and Crossfire Hurricane. We then turn to measures to assist in the full and complete consideration of politically sensitive investigations and make FISA applications more understandable and complete for the officials and judges who review and approve them. We conclude with a discussion of bias and improper motivation and suggest one possible FBI reform for consideration by the Department. We do not try to review all the many changes that have already been made but rather seek to build on them.​

And no I haven't read the entire 316 page behemoth of a report. The PDF search function is your friend. You're welcome.

The report concludes that the investigation into Trump/Russia collusion should have never happened due to lack of evidence and the FBI, along with others, broke the law to make it happen. The report details how it happened and who was involved. He isn't suggesting much reform because he believes the laws currently in place should have prevented this situation.

He doesn't recommend additional charges for those crimes and there could be several reasons for that.

It could be that he is a giant pussy.

It could also be that he believes the current DOJ is too biased to handle the case, and is hoping that Trump gets elected and can install a better DOJ that can use the evidence in his report to prosecute.

Either way, he has given us yet another reason to vote for Trump, and this is going to be a bumpy election.

 

[jmdrake]

The report concludes that the investigation into Trump/Russia collusion should have never happened due to lack of evidence and the FBI, along with others, broke the law to make it happen. The report details how it happened and who was involved. He isn't suggesting much reform because he believes the laws currently in place should have prevented this situation.

He doesn't recommend additional charges for those crimes and there could be several reasons for that.

It could be that he is a giant pussy.

It could also be that he believes the current DOJ is too biased to handle the case, and is hoping that Trump gets elected and can install a better DOJ that can use the evidence in his report to prosecute.

Either way, he has given us yet another reason to vote for Trump, and this is going to be a bumpy election.

I agree. In case you didn't realize it, I was saying you're more right than wrong on this one. As usual [MENTION=58229]TheCount[/MENTION] is full of crap. And yeah, there should have been a recommendation for a stronger reform...like scrapping the FBI as it exists, but this dude was appointed by intelligence gatekeeper William Barr.

[MENTION=10908]dannno[/MENTION] Edit: My one point of disagreement is that this is somehow a reason to vote for Trump. Trump appointed William Barr. There's no reason to believe Trump will magically start making good appointments next time around.

 

[acptulsa]

 

[dannno]

@dannno Edit: My one point of disagreement is that this is somehow a reason to vote for Trump. Trump appointed William Barr. There's no reason to believe Trump will magically start making good appointments next time around.

Tim Pool has discussed this topic a couple times in depth with Don Jr. as this was a very common complaint, including his most recent appearance:

 

[acptulsa]

Tim Pool has discussed this topic a couple times in depth with Don Jr. as this was a very common complaint, including his most recent appearance:

And we can expect to hear...?

If listening someone with a voice that irritating stretch ten minutes' worth of content out to two hours through sheer repetition is the only way to get that question answered, Trump doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell.

You present this as useful information, but are unable to summarize it even a little? And you think we should take your word that we'll find it useful because...?

Let me put it this way. Suppose if I listen to two hours of, "He was just a naive little orange snowflake," I'll hunt you down and kill you slowly. Do you still want me to watch it?

 

[dannno]

And we can expect to hear...?

If listening someone with a voice that irritating stretch ten minutes' worth of content out to two hours through sheer repetition is the only way to get that question answered, Trump doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell.

You present this as useful information, but are unable to summarize it even a little? And you think we should take your word that we'll find it useful because...?

Let me put it this way. Suppose if I listen to two hours of, "He was just a naive little orange snowflake," I'll hunt you down and kill you slowly. Do you still want me to watch it?

That is part of the answer, but more importantly why did Trump think that way and what is the plan for the future. Me and you knew not to trust anybody in DC, Trump thought he could trust SOME people there to do the right thing, but he didn't know how swampy the entire thing was. He found some people there he was told he could trust, and they were telling him to trust these other people, etc, etc..

But ultimately it directly addresses jmdrake's concerns. However, more importantly, they discuss going in the next term not trusting the institutions at all and firing everybody. The scorched earthy policy.

The best part is you can hear it in detail in the words of Don Jr.

Tim's news segments are occasionally repetitious, but he is making them for youtube. That means somebody who clicks on it might be listening to him for the first time, so he might make a point that he has made before, because it is a good point. Or he might make the same point again on a single video to try and shift to another avenue of discussion to get his video to the 20+ or 10+ minute mark. You could just say, make the video shorter, but I'm pretty sure there is an algorithmic reason he has chosen to do it a certain way to get maximum reach.

The reason I listen to Tim Pool and not the acptulsa show is because I find that he has good and interesting takes on the news. The rest.. what his voice sounds like, does he occasionally repeat himself, that is not relevant to me.

The IRL show is a bit different. If the guest isn't talking much and the news is something that has been discussed before, there is going to be some repetition from previous shows. If they want the guest to discuss something that has been discussed in previous shows, then they might have to repeat themselves from a previous show.

Fortunately, Don Jr. is a talker. So he dominates the discussion. If you really don't like listening to Tim Pool, watch the Milo Yinnapolis epsiode. I think he says like 5 things the whole 2+ hours.

 

[acptulsa]

If you really don't like listening to Tim Pool, watch the Milo Yinnapolis epsiode. I think he says like 5 things the whole 2+ hours.

Wow, are you missing the point.

Does Milo Yinnapolis say anything I need to hear? Because I need to know that. I'm not going to listen to a Tim Pool podcast just because this is the Tim Pool show in which Tim Pool talks the least.

 

[dannno]

Wow, are you missing the point.

Does Milo Yinnapolis say anything I need to hear? Because I need to know that. I'm not going to listen to a Tim Pool podcast just because this is the Tim Pool show in which Tim Pool talks the least.

I think you are the one missing the point.

The IRL show has a couple guest hosts and 1-2 guests. Tim will dominate the conversation, or the guest will dominate the conversation, depending mostly on the guest. In this case, Don Jr. is quite domineering.

Milo is very intelligent and pretty much talks the entire time. I would recommend listening to it sometime, but I was using it to make a broader point.

 

[acptulsa]

https://twitter.com/Ansonious/status/1660758313854980096

 

[Occam's Banana]

Me and you knew not to trust anybody in DC, Trump thought he could trust SOME people there to do the right thing, but he didn't know how swampy the entire thing was.

IOW: "Random schmucks on the Internet have more political savvy than Donald Trump."

Well, okay, I guess ... if you say so ...