Doug Wead: Some things about the Ron Paul campaign can't be discussed right now

[Q11Q]

Wead said that Ron Paul has Integrity, is Honest, is Incorruptible, and that Paul would never Vote for an Unbalanced Budget or Raise Taxes.

Since Romney has already shown his proclivity to be ruthlessly Bain-like when he treated the citizens of Taxachusetts as nothing more than branded cattle to help pay the debt of his progressive political agenda, there is no way Paul would compromise his principles to help get a corrupt politician like Romney elected.

"It's not for public consumption" means to me that that Paul would not ask us to eat a Romney mad-cow diseased Presidency.

Paul is THE REAL DEAL!

 

[jd603]

Yes but Ron was there long before Gary, it's Ron's last shot, it was selfish for Gary to run against Ron on virtually the same platform in the GOP. If he wanted what was best and put liberty for the people above his own selfishness and ego , then he never would have done it. I wouldn't waste much time attacking Gary, since he at least sounds like a real libertarian... but Rand shouldn't be attacked either... thats probably the Johnson supporters trying to line him up better for next election, whatever. I do see the Rand attacks as way over done though so i've been ranting last few days. getting tired of it now tho.

Well, he never actually said that. But Benton did say that there was no way Paul would endorse GJ, even as he's flirting with possibly supporting Romney. One of the darkest stories I ever heard about Ron Paul was when GJ met with him to annouce that he was going to run and supposedly, Ron Paul just walked out of the room, without saying anything. When they were both asked, at a debate, which candidate on stage would make a good VP, Johnson said Paul, and Paul would even answer. There will be no backlash against Johnson because he's played nice all along, whereas the Paul people haven't. If anything, the backlash will be against Paul, especially if he sells out. And whereas I was on the fence between Rand and Johnson before, I don't see myself ever supporting Rand at this point. Especially not given his connection to Benton.

 

[FlipObamney]

The Rand hate is way over done. Look at his voting record and speeches, he's on point and even blocked iran sanctions recently (despite his strange vote for sanctions in 2011, but in his defense sanctions have been used against that region for decades, it's not like he put new sanctions in place). Is he perfect? no. Is he a exact copy of his father? No. ...but I consider him a much better choice than Gary Johnson. the way he words things is basically taken straight from Ron's mouth and he was arrogant enough to run against Ron Paul for the republican nomination? Really?

For the record, I couldn't care less about Gary Johnson either.

Rand is going to endorse Mitt. That is enough reason for me to never support Rand Paul.

I am one of those people who doesn't vote. Never in my life until I decided to become a Delegate for Ron in Maine. Rand can suck up to the establishment all he wants, he just better realize he will never get my support if he does. I'm talking NEVER. It's something I can't and won't forgive no matter what Rand does in the future. That goes for Ron as well.

If you're comfortable with Rand endorsing Mitt, that's your problem.

 

[jd603]

For the record, I couldn't care less about Gary Johnson either.

Rand is going to endorse Mitt. That is enough reason for me to never support Rand Paul.

I am one of those people who doesn't vote. Never in my life until I decided to become a Delegate for Ron in Maine. Rand can suck up to the establishment all he wants, he just better realize he will never get my support if he does. I'm talking NEVER. It's something I can't and won't forgive no matter what Rand does in the future. That goes for Ron as well.

If you're comfortable with Rand endorsing Mitt, that's your problem.

Not great if he endorses Mitt, but I think he figures Romney would at least be better than Obama, and I unfortunately think he's probably right... not by much of course. Rand is more of a politician though, like I said. He might just be sucking up to the establishment with moves like that so he has a better shot at president. So far Rand's core values seem to match Ron's for the most part... at least they match Ron's more than other politicians. JFK would have never been elected if he had revealed what he would be trying to do later in his presidency... he began his presidency looking like a puppet stooge. In his case he probably just learned the system and decided to take a stand and hadn't had any plans to do so.

 

[Cdawg45]

Isn't it possible that that Ron has told Rand that he must appear to conform more closely to the GOP than he did? This isn't because he agrees with Mitt or any other clowns, but because he is smart enough to realize he will never be able to take the movement to the White House unless he can shake the "fringe" label and gain the support of all the sheep in the GOP? Sort of like a trojan horse, then when he gets into the WhiteHouse the army (us) take back control?

 

[DamianTV]

DO NOT BELIEVE THE MSM MEDIA!

When / IF Rand Paul endorses Romney, then he will lose my support. But until that time, I take EVERYTHING I hear, including what is said on the Forum, what the MSM reports, and what I hear from ANY person at ANY time, I will take such information with a Grain of Salt.

Until such time, my job is to use the MSM's own dirty tactics against them to destroy their credibility and tell people the TRUTH about RON PAUL. He did NOT drop out. He IS winning in Delegate Counts. He IS electable. He IS the BEST choice for President!

 

[Maltheus]

Yes but Ron was there long before Gary, it's Ron's last shot, it was selfish for Gary to run against Ron on virtually the same platform in the GOP. If he wanted what was best and put liberty for the people above his own selfishness and ego , then he never would have done it. I wouldn't waste much time attacking Gary, since he at least sounds like a real libertarian... but Rand shouldn't be attacked either... thats probably the Johnson supporters trying to line him up better for next election, whatever. I do see the Rand attacks as way over done though so i've been ranting last few days. getting tired of it now tho.

Well, not exactly. Back when Johnson got in, it wasn't clear that Ron was going to run this time around. I think he got in like a month later. And quite frankly, I never saw the problem with having two liberty minded candidates in the race. I never considered Johnson selfish for wanting to fight for my freedom. I want as many freedom fighters out there as possible. If anything, I consider Paul selfish for not handing the baton over to Johnson (his son just isn't there yet, and nepotism is creepy).

 

[jd603]

I'm sure the movement will rally around the right candidate eventually. ...but thats not key to success anyway. Taking over local and state governments is really the key. ..and educating people about the philosophy.

I think the "oh no he did two things wrong so i'm not voting for him no matter what" mentality can be harmful if theres no other alternatives tho.

Well, not exactly. Back when Johnson got in, it wasn't clear that Ron was going to run this time around. I think he got in like a month later. And quite frankly, I never saw the problem with having two liberty minded candidates in the race. I never considered Johnson selfish for wanting to fight for my freedom. I want as many freedom fighters out there as possible. If anything, I consider Paul selfish for not handing the baton over to Johnson (his son just isn't there yet, and nepotism is creepy).

 

[CPUd]

I agree there is a big list of things that shouldn't be said from a Presidential campaign. And in the last 3 days, we've heard them say several of those.

 

[Diashi]

This is just speculation, and none of us know for sure what's shifting for the campaign. Listening to Doug in the podcast gives me mixed emotions. Regardless of what Paul chooses to do, I plan to see this fight to the end. Even if Paul taps out, we will not take it. We've been wronged by the media, by Mitt's campaign, I won't let them walk away in Tampa without a fight.

 

[Maltheus]

I'm sure the movement will rally around the right candidate eventually. ...but thats not key to success anyway. Taking over local and state governments is really the key. ..and educating people about the philosophy.

I think the "oh no he did two things wrong so i'm not voting for him no matter what" mentality can be harmful if theres no other alternatives tho.

I very much agree. But the problem with the campaign, this time around, is that this was actively discouraged. We were told to campaign from the shadows, not say who we were supporting, nor pledge. We here in CO practically begged our local coordinator to let us go public, because we wanted to work on expanding our presence here in the party locally, more than even getting Paul elected. Instead, we were told to shut up and vote for Santorum delegates. They (Holdridge and Benton) then lied about us to the other CDs and even worked behind our backs with the local GOP chair (further undermining what we've been working on for the past 5 years).

Yeah, for me, it's all about local politics going forward. I'll vote for Johnson, but I won't work his campaign like I did for Paul.

 

[DamianTV]

So what happens when Ron Paul wins?

Do we expect him to do all the work and we can all just go back to sleep? NO! We have a LOT more work ahead of us and a LOT more that needs to be done in order to restore this country to the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave! As much as we all support Ron Paul, when we accomplish that goal, we need to continue Moving Forward. We need to continue working hard to free everyone from the Matrix. We cant afford to be Lazy! We need to be Ever Vigilant as the attacks from Evil will never ever cease, regardless of how many victories that we win. For Evil to Triumph, all a Good man has to do is Nothing. We can not afford to ever let our guard down again!

The fight will continue on many years after Ron Paul, as long as the ideas of Liberty and Freedom are alive in the minds and the hearts of the People.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

They made a deal, it's totally obvious...

They made a deal, we didn't. We are party to no deal. End of discussion.

Yep.

 

[TrishW]

Not exactly...

A vote for Gary Johnson or a vote for Obama means one less vote for Mittens. But they don't have the same impact on the race. The reason is, of course, that Obama's vote tally increases by one vote if you give it to Obama instead of Johnson. Look at it from Mitten's point of view..assuming he knows he's not going to get your vote, he'd a hell of a lot prefer you vote for Gary Johnson rather than Obama.

I will probably vote for Obama, for two reasons. One.... I actually think Obama is getting tired of war, and Mitt has said that he will not hold back against Iran. He thinks Obama has been too soft. The other reason is I am really tired of bankers and bail outs, and I think Mitt would not hesitate to help them out.

So, I will always support Ron and anyone like him that runs for any office. But I will never vote for Romney.

I was considering a write in for Ron Paul, and I still may do that.

 

[Maltheus]

I will probably vote for Obama, for two reasons. One.... I actually think Obama is getting tired of war, and Mitt has said that he will not hold back against Iran. He thinks Obama has been too soft. The other reason is I am really tired of bankers and bail outs, and I think Mitt would not hesitate to help them out.

So, I will always support Ron and anyone like him that runs for any office. But I will never vote for Romney.

I was considering a write in for Ron Paul, and I still may do that.

Please don't vote for the least of two evils. Find someone you can truly support or don't vote at all. Your one vote is not all that important in the grand scheme of things, and all your defiance will earn you is complicity with every illegal action that Obama engages in. The effect of a single vote in a national campaign is not worth selling your soul over.

 

[trey4sports]

My guess:

The campaign knows they can't control the grass roots, Ron has said on many occasions he doesn't control us. Ron knows the delegates won't back Romney for just platform concessions- our delegates have only 1 goal: nominate Ron Paul by any means necessary. So, the best Romney can hope for if we control 2/3 of the delegates is to have a smooth convention. Here is the deal- Romney gives his speech endorsing Ron Paul for nominee and says he hopes to be considered for Vice. Ron Paul delegates go hog wild, nominate Ron Paul, he says he wants Romney for VP. The deal that couldn't be spoken of for 10 years is a deal where Ron Paul becomes president, Romney VP and then Paul steps down after 4 years and either assumes VP or Rand does. Romney will then get to have Potus.

Tl;dr
Ron potus, Romney veep first term. Romney potus, Paul veep second term.

your guess or your fantasy?

Did you listen to the whole interview?

Wead just said that "they" believe that Romney will be the 'ultimate nominee'. And mentioned this became clear when the chances of a brokered convention were ruled out after Santorum dropped out. He also talked about the power we will have of influencing the platform that "it's not possible" for Paul to "become President now."

Romney is going to be the nominee. every cycle there is some gimmicky idea that gets people excited only to let them down when ron does get the nod and unfortunately it will be that way until Mitt is crowned GOP king.

i hear ya, i remember that debate. We were both watching. My wife is going to support Gary Johnson. I am strongly leaning that way. I will stay a republican but i cannot vote for romney(obama lite) and i have a long list why not.

i will support GJ as well.

Not great if he endorses Mitt, but I think he figures Romney would at least be better than Obama, and I unfortunately think he's probably right... not by much of course. Rand is more of a politician though, like I said. He might just be sucking up to the establishment with moves like that so he has a better shot at president. So far Rand's core values seem to match Ron's for the most part... at least they match Ron's more than other politicians. JFK would have never been elected if he had revealed what he would be trying to do later in his presidency... he began his presidency looking like a puppet stooge. In his case he probably just learned the system and decided to take a stand and hadn't had any plans to do so.

meh, who knows.

Isn't it possible that that Ron has told Rand that he must appear to conform more closely to the GOP than he did? This isn't because he agrees with Mitt or any other clowns, but because he is smart enough to realize he will never be able to take the movement to the White House unless he can shake the "fringe" label and gain the support of all the sheep in the GOP? Sort of like a trojan horse, then when he gets into the WhiteHouse the army (us) take back control?

I believe the crux of this "deal" is probably Romney giving the future of the party to Rand. He probably said that he will nominally support the libertarian wing of the party and allow them to gain power.

DO NOT BELIEVE THE MSM MEDIA!

When / IF Rand Paul endorses Romney, then he will lose my support. But until that time, I take EVERYTHING I hear, including what is said on the Forum, what the MSM reports, and what I hear from ANY person at ANY time, I will take such information with a Grain of Salt.

Until such time, my job is to use the MSM's own dirty tactics against them to destroy their credibility and tell people the TRUTH about RON PAUL. He did NOT drop out. He IS winning in Delegate Counts. He IS electable. He IS the BEST choice for President!

Even those in Ron's camp. are saying that the nomination is out of reach.

 

[extrmmxer]

I hate to speculate but...... Could Paul have a health problem that they're not willing to discuss? I hope not but just a thought.

 

[Evilfox]

last time I seen a pick of frothy I thought he had a health problem

 

[Carlybee]

I think its more likely they threatened his sons political career. We are not dealing with honorable people..we are dealing with the party that set us on a course of neverending war and who is owned by big banking, big pharma, and War,Inc. How soon people forget.

 

[TrishW]

I hate to speculate but...... Could Paul have a health problem that they're not willing to discuss? I hope not but just a thought.

I was wondering the same thing.