Doug Wead: Some things about the Ron Paul campaign can't be discussed right now

[anaconda]

ron paul teaches us to ALWAYS vote on principle.... how the hell could you do that with casting a vote for Obama!?!

Ron doesn't want people suckered into voting for the system. We may have a liberty candidate positioned to win the White House in 2016. I was thinking that I would use my vote to maximize the the chances of that outcome. My principles are not in question. The strategy is up for discussion. Perhaps I will do as I have been (and as you suggest) and vote for the best liberty candidate.

 

[speciallyblend]

Ron doesn't want people suckered into voting for the system. We may have a liberty candidate positioned to win the White House in 2016. I was thinking that I would use my vote to maximize the the chances of that outcome. My principles are not in question. The strategy is up for discussion. Perhaps I will do as I have been (and as you suggest) and vote for the best liberty candidate.

I firmly believe a vote for Gary Johnson would equal out to a vote against romney without having to vote for obama! I am comfortable with that.

the only way the gop gets my wifes vote is Ron paul or she will vote gary.

 

[Plague-of-Locutus]

The title of the thread made me think to myself: "I hope Ron Paul isn't ill. That would suck if he had to quit when so close to the top of the mountain."

 

[speciallyblend]

hopefully this is a preview to tampa http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbiR6IMf5KQ<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbiR6IMf5KQ">

look closely the guy with the flame is saying point of order and has his green and red card ready for delegates

 

[robert9712000]

I was still kinda young at 18 ,but i remember a similar sudden change in campaign attitude when Ross Perot Quit then tried to stay in.I forget, what was the original reason Ross Perot dropped out? I think i remember hearing his family was threatened.I hate going down the conspiracy road ,but is it possible when someone threatens the system enough, they are threatened by the establishment ?

 

[Paulistinian]

My guess:

The campaign knows they can't control the grass roots, Ron has said on many occasions he doesn't control us. Ron knows the delegates won't back Romney for just platform concessions- our delegates have only 1 goal: nominate Ron Paul by any means necessary. So, the best Romney can hope for if we control 2/3 of the delegates is to have a smooth convention. Here is the deal- Romney gives his speech endorsing Ron Paul for nominee and says he hopes to be considered for Vice. Ron Paul delegates go hog wild, nominate Ron Paul, he says he wants Romney for VP. The deal that couldn't be spoken of for 10 years is a deal where Ron Paul becomes president, Romney VP and then Paul steps down after 4 years and either assumes VP or Rand does. Romney will then get to have Potus.

Tl;dr
Ron potus, Romney veep first term. Romney potus, Paul veep second term.

 

[JK/SEA]

Ron stopped drinking fiji water...details coming.....

Your pal, Doug.

 

[speciallyblend]

My guess:

The campaign knows they can't control the grass roots, Ron has said on many occasions he doesn't control us. Ron knows the delegates won't back Romney for just platform concessions- our delegates have only 1 goal: nominate Ron Paul by any means necessary. So, the best Romney can hope for if we control 2/3 of the delegates is to have a smooth convention. Here is the deal- Romney gives his speech endorsing Ron Paul for nominee and says he hopes to be considered for Vice. Ron Paul delegates go hog wild, nominate Ron Paul, he says he wants Romney for VP. The deal that couldn't be spoken of for 10 years is a deal where Ron Paul becomes president, Romney VP and then Paul steps down after 4 years and either assumes VP or Rand does. Romney will then get to have Potus.

Tl;dr
Ron potus, Romney veep first term. Romney potus, Paul veep second term.

this should be in the rpf playboy letters subforum, sexy talk growlll sorry good stuff

 

[Eisenhower]

What is a deal going to do when the grassroots collect so many delegates? Ron Paul delegates at the convention will never vote for Romney. This convention will be one hell of a fight, especially if the Paul campaign did happen to make a deal with the establishment devil.

 

[fearthereaperx]

No no no no no.

No.

Did you listen to the whole interview?

Wead just said that "they" believe that Romney will be the 'ultimate nominee'. And mentioned this became clear when the chances of a brokered convention were ruled out after Santorum dropped out. He also talked about the power we will have of influencing the platform that "it's not possible" for Paul to "become President now."

 

[anaconda]

I firmly believe a vote for Gary Johnson would equal out to a vote against romney without having to vote for obama!

Not exactly...

A vote for Gary Johnson or a vote for Obama means one less vote for Mittens. But they don't have the same impact on the race. The reason is, of course, that Obama's vote tally increases by one vote if you give it to Obama instead of Johnson. Look at it from Mitten's point of view..assuming he knows he's not going to get your vote, he'd a hell of a lot prefer you vote for Gary Johnson rather than Obama.

 

[jd603]

The Rand hate is way over done. Look at his voting record and speeches, he's on point and even blocked iran sanctions recently (despite his strange vote for sanctions in 2011, but in his defense sanctions have been used against that region for decades, it's not like he put new sanctions in place). Is he perfect? no. Is he a exact copy of his father? No. ...but I consider him a much better choice than Gary Johnson. the way he words things is basically taken straight from Ron's mouth and he was arrogant enough to run against Ron Paul for the republican nomination? Really?

Doesn't mean it's not the truth.

I couldn't care less about Rand Paul. If Romney asked him to be VP, I'll pass. Thanks.

 

[speciallyblend]

Did you listen to the whole interview?

Wead just said that "they" believe that Romney will be the 'ultimate nominee'. And mentioned this became clear when the chances of a brokered convention were ruled out after Santorum dropped out. He also talked about the power we will have of influencing the platform that "it's not possible" for Paul to "become President now."

so when should i throw my support behind another campaign. Now or the day after tampa! or does it really matter? I feel like i need to actively campaign for gary johnson now so we can get him in national debates. Gary Johnson can be a huge push for Liberty in the general election even if the gop shuts ron paul out. Which is exactly what the gop establishment did. I would like a pdf copy from every state and if one gop member asks why i will not support romney. I can direct him to a huge file. Not liking what is being said as folks are still fighting for delegate spots etc etc. 7th inning throw the towel in. I think i need sleep working overnight shifts again.

 

[speciallyblend]

Not exactly...

A vote for Gary Johnson or a vote for Obama means one less vote for Mittens. But they don't have the same impact on the race. The reason is, of course, that Obama's vote tally increases by one vote if you give it to Obama instead of Johnson. Look at it from Mitten's point of view..assuming he knows he's not going to get your vote, he'd a hell of a lot prefer you vote for Gary Johnson rather than Obama.

it is like a bad dream. ok time for 80s rock gotta get the politics out of my head.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3_NgBhgCec<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3_NgBhgCec">

 

[fearthereaperx]

Yeah, really. I am surprised there isn't more of a backlash on GJ for having the gall for essentially saying, "Finally, Now it's my turn to take over the Ron Paul Revolution"

 

[anaconda]

My guess:

The campaign knows they can't control the grass roots, Ron has said on many occasions he doesn't control us. Ron knows the delegates won't back Romney for just platform concessions- our delegates have only 1 goal: nominate Ron Paul by any means necessary. So, the best Romney can hope for if we control 2/3 of the delegates is to have a smooth convention. Here is the deal- Romney gives his speech endorsing Ron Paul for nominee and says he hopes to be considered for Vice. Ron Paul delegates go hog wild, nominate Ron Paul, he says he wants Romney for VP. The deal that couldn't be spoken of for 10 years is a deal where Ron Paul becomes president, Romney VP and then Paul steps down after 4 years and either assumes VP or Rand does. Romney will then get to have Potus.

Tl;dr
Ron potus, Romney veep first term. Romney potus, Paul veep second term.

Romney and Obama play for the same team. As long as one of them is POTUS, they've done their job. Why would Romney nominate Ron Paul? That's not in Mitten's job description.

 

[jd603]

Probably wont matter IMO, vote gary or write in Ron. Next election is a different story. Gary is the go to guy only if theres nobody better and Rand isn't running. The big problem with libertarian ticket is the deck is stacked against you. Rand has some neocon rhetoric (possibly on purpose to gain broader support) that will allow him a real shot at winning. I think Rand plays politics a little, but again, I think this is done deliberately and not because he's just a slimey weasel or anything like that. I really think he's basically a more polished, political version of ron, but on key issues he sounds like he's in the right place, at least from what i've seen. if he starts selling out and making bad votes i will throw him under the bus though, i wont hang on mindlessly like existing obama supporters are or what people did with bush, i'm not that naive.

so when should i throw my support behind another campaign. Now or the day after tampa! or does it really matter? I feel like i need to actively campaign for gary johnson now so we can get him in national debates. Gary Johnson can be a huge push for Liberty in the general election even if the gop shuts ron paul out. Which is exactly what the gop establishment did. I would like a pdf copy from every state and if one gop member asks why i will not support romney. I can direct him to a huge file. Not liking what is being said as folks are still fighting for delegate spots etc etc. 7th inning throw the towel in. I think i need sleep working overnight shifts again.

 

[Maltheus]

Yeah, really. I am surprised there isn't more of a backlash on GJ for having the gall for essentially saying, "Finally, Now it's my turn to take over the Ron Paul Revolution"

Well, he never actually said that. But Benton did say that there was no way Paul would endorse GJ, even as he's flirting with possibly supporting Romney. One of the darkest stories I ever heard about Ron Paul was when GJ met with him to annouce that he was going to run and supposedly, Ron Paul just walked out of the room, without saying anything. When they were both asked, at a debate, which candidate on stage would make a good VP, Johnson said Paul, and Paul would even answer. There will be no backlash against Johnson because he's played nice all along, whereas the Paul people haven't. If anything, the backlash will be against Paul, especially if he sells out. And whereas I was on the fence between Rand and Johnson before, I don't see myself ever supporting Rand at this point. Especially not given his connection to Benton.

 

[speciallyblend]

Well, he never actually said that. But Benton did say that there was no way Paul would endorse GJ, even as he's flirting with possibly supporting Romney. One of the darkest stories I ever heard about Ron Paul was when GJ met with him to annouce that he was going to run and supposedly, Ron Paul just walked out of the room, without saying anything. When they were both asked, at a debate, which candidate on stage would make a good VP, Johnson said Paul, and Paul would even answer. There will be no backlash against Johnson because he's played nice all along, whereas the Paul people haven't. If anything, the backlash will be against Paul, especially if he sells out. And whereas I was on the fence between Rand and Johnson before, I don't see myself ever supporting Rand at this point. Especially not given his connection to Benton.

i hear ya, i remember that debate. We were both watching. My wife is going to support Gary Johnson. I am strongly leaning that way. I will stay a republican but i cannot vote for romney(obama lite) and i have a long list why not.

 

[Liberty74]

Called it.

They made a deal, it's totally obvious... I just want to know what they settled on...

I have said the same thing for months. Again, 21 debates and neither attacked each other. Plus the campaign said they had been in talks with the Romney camp but refused to say over what.

Is this the reason why Ron never campaigned for the old vote but instead on college campuses? Is this the reason why the delegate game was so important that would give Romney a reason to say, "hey, I hear you and I offer this...?"

Maybe Santorum was right?