Dorner cabin fire was not an accident

Why not just let him get hungry and come out on his own?

Of course we have to guess the real reason he was killed. They didn't want him to tell his story in a court of law.
 
Lucille said:
I want to hear more about someone pushing Dorner back into the burning cabin after he tried to get out the back door. They're trying to walk back that statement by the Marshal, claiming "conflicting reports," but that just convinces me it happened and they're trying to cover it up.

[Updated at 8:34 p.m. ET] At some point today, a suspect tried to get out the back door of the cabin, but he was pushed back inside, U.S. Marshals Service district chief Kurt Ellingson told CNN's Brian Todd.

[Updated at 9:14 p.m. ET] Earlier, we reported that U.S. Marshals Service district chief Kurt Ellingson told us a suspect tried to get out the back door of the cabin at some point today and was pushed back inside. But there are now conflicting reports about whether the suspect ever emerged.

Ellingson says authorities are not sure whether the suspect came out.
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phill4paul said:
What part of 'pinned down' didn't you understand.
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Not to mention, the fact he is considered innocent of everything till proven guilty in a court of law.
This means, he didn't kill anybody! We can not just declare someone killed somebody and pronounce them guilty of the crime, without taking them to trial first.
 
Dr.3D said:
Why not just let him get hungry and come out on his own?

Of course we have to guess the real reason he was killed. They didn't want him to tell his story in a court of law.
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I believe you are misthinking the LEO point of view. They were avenging their brothers who had fallen, and taking their own revenge for slain officers. They were eager to use fire bombs since they didn't want this scum to see a trial, in their point of view. I think only a very few at the top of the excessive force case want that information hidden, and all the info is already out in the manifesto. Dorner left everything he wanted the world to know already last week, I don't think much new could come from a trial, or the LAPD is 'covering anything up' by killing him. The coverup is legal technicalities for an excessive force complaint, hardly worthy of killing someone over to 'silence.'

sailingaway said:
Yeah, I saw a comment on that on twitter at the time, too. A LOT of people were watching the live streams. What do you bet it is the live stream availability where the focus of concern focuses?
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I doubt any officer would get that near to the cabin to 'shove' a suspect back in, because that would mean they would be putting themselves in firing range of Dorner by approaching the cabin.


Dr.3D said:
Not to mention, the fact he is considered innocent of everything till proven guilty in a court of law.
This means, he didn't kill anybody! We can not just declare someone killed somebody and pronounce them guilty of the crime, without taking them to trial first.
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You are missing the point, he was a threat to the officers and probably wouldn't be taken alive. Most likely they will use the technicality that they were acting in self defense or to prevent further officer death (already 2 officers dead, and 5 shot? at this point) even though its usually used in a more direct immediate manner. It would be the same argument if a suspect pulled a gun on an officer or pointed a gun. Dorner I believe even said in his own manifesto he would not be taken alive, or something to that extent.


Dr.3D said:
Not to mention, the fact he is considered innocent of everything till proven guilty in a court of law.
This means, he didn't kill anybody! We can not just declare someone killed somebody and pronounce them guilty of the crime, without taking them to trial first.
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Well, let me ask you this, isn't the government agency innocent as well until proven guilty? I am assuming you think the officers at the cabin are guilty in the 'execution' of Dorner in the fire, as well as the committees committing fraud in excessive force case 'trial' which is Dorners main complaint on why the department is corrupt. So why don't we wait for the trial to see if the agencies were at fault? Well I know you don't think is true, I was trying to point out a flaw in your reasoning that you only want a trial for your suspect to prove his guilt, but assume the officers are guilty and LAPD on your own accord without trial.
 
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squarepusher said:
I doubt any officer would get that near to the cabin to 'shove' a suspect back in, because that would mean they would be putting themselves in firing range of Dorner by approaching the cabin.
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My thoughts are that "push him back in" probably means firing rounds to make him retreat. I don't think it was meant as physically doing so.
 
squarepusher said:
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Dorner I believe even said in his own manifesto he would not be taken alive, or something to that extent.
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We don't know he even wrote a "manifesto".

squarepusher said:
Well, let me ask you this, isn't the government agency innocent as well until proven guilty? I am assuming you think the government agency is guilty of not only foul play in the excessive force case, but also in the 'execution' of Dorner in the fire. So why don't we wait for the trial to see if the agencies were at fault? Well I know you don't think is true, I was trying to point out a flaw in your reasoning.
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They have not been accused of any crime that I know of. The reason we won't wait for a trial is because there won't be one.
 
Dr.3D said:
We don't know he even wrote a "manifesto".


They have not been accused of any crime that I know of. The reason we won't wait for a trial is because there won't be one.
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So who wrote the manifesto, and what purpose would they have for doing so, if not Dorner?
Did Dorner shoot at and kill officers yesterday, several days ago, and Quan's daughter and fiance?
 
squarepusher said:
So who wrote the manifesto, and what purpose would they have for doing so, if not Dorner?
Did Dorner shoot at and kill officers yesterday, several days ago, and Quan's daughter and fiance?
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That is the allegation/accusation,, however no proof has been provided.

I believe that he very well could have returned fire when fired upon.. but as to the first murder of the Daughter and Boyfriend ,, who knows.
 
funny how the media once again helped try to cover this up with a media blackout. im glad this scanner tape was released. fucking murderers. at least dorner had a reason to do what he did. they fucked him over for trying to turn in bad corrupt cops. im sorry but dorner is a hero imo. the "good cops" in this tape as portrayed by the lying media, just violated every law there was and tried to hide it.
 
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