Don...Questions about C4L Please.

[torchbearer]

The CFL state structures are maintained by the same grassroots people who helped Ron's campaign.
As in, Our State Coordinator- just a grassroots guy.
Our Asst. State Coordinator- me
Our district reps- all grassroots activist from our meet-ups.

Yup- sounds like a nazi club to stiffle the freedom movement.

 

[ARealConservative]

The CFL state structures are maintained by the same grassroots people who helped Ron's campaign.
As in, Our State Coordinator- just a grassroots guy.
Our Asst. State Coordinator- me
Our district reps- all grassroots activist from our meet-ups.

Yup- sounds like a nazi club to stiffle the freedom movement.

you aren't the people that decided to go public with this internal feud.

But keep propping up the easy straw men to knock down.

 

[acptulsa]

The CFL state structures are maintained by the same grassroots people who helped Ron's campaign.
As in, Our State Coordinator- just a grassroots guy.
Our Asst. State Coordinator- me
Our district reps- all grassroots activist from our meet-ups.

Yup- sounds like a nazi club to stiffle the freedom movement.

No, not hardly. But I can't blame the organizers for wanting to set up a structure to keep control of it firmly in those same type of hands. Long term thinking is rare in politics, and I for one want to see more of it.

 

[Matt Collins]

I'd also like to thank Matt for some honest answers and for not calling me a reptilian.

+1 promotion time comes around.... well, that guy's earned it.

Ohhh geeze... ha ha ha for every friend I have on here I am sure I have 3 people who hate my guts

 

[torchbearer]

No, not hardly. But I can't blame the organizers for wanting to set up a structure to keep control of it firmly in those same type of hands. Long term thinking is rare in politics, and I for one want to see more of it.

that was sarcasm at the end.

 

[Mahkato]

That being said, I'm not so sure Ron Paul is driving the bus at C4L, I'm not crazy about C4L not being a real grassroots activist group...I'd like to see a more parlimentarian process...not a SET board of directors, to include grassroots...there should be a nominating committee and elections of officers, otherwise I just don't really consider it a grassroots program.

I think this will happen once we have a solid foundation built with the Precinct Leader program. PLs will elect BPOU chairs, which will elect District chairs, which will elect State chairs, which will elect the board. Or something like that. To get started, though, we just have to deal with some appointed officers.

 

[Mahkato]

myself and many others find this whole prospect rather unappealing.

more bureaucratic non-sense, imo.

more like a club (and no, not the beatin' kind either) than a direct-action force to be reckoned with.

I see it more as being organized as a constitutional republic. Politics is local, so an effective grassroots organization has to be organized locally, with representative leadership.

 

[Don]

I see it more as being organized as a constitutional republic. Politics is local, so an effective grassroots organization has to be organized locally, with representative leadership.

Ding ding ding. Exactly!

 

[torchbearer]

you aren't the people that decided to go public with this internal feud.

But keep propping up the easy straw men to knock down.

We are out to get you!
boo!


Ever stop to think, that when you are downing the CFL, you are downing the grassroots?
Who do you think make the CFL work? Not the 6 people in an office somewhere.
It is us... I find it offensive that you are working against me. I haven't worked against you.
Are you looking for division and a fight? Wanna tear this movement apart?
WE can do that too. Whatever you want, let's get it going...
Maybe you will get what you want.. nothing done.

 

[ARealConservative]

We are out to get you!
boo!


Ever stop to think, that when you are downing the CFL, you are downing the grassroots?
Who do you think make the CFL work? Not the 6 people in an office somewhere.
It is us... I find it offensive that you are working against me. I haven't worked against you.
Are you looking for division and a fight? Wanna tear this movement apart?
WE can do that too. Whatever you want, let's get it going...
Maybe you will get what you want.. nothing done.

hello.....

Up until I witnessed Don come in here and work actively to tear the movement apart, I was a defender of the C4L (and your vanishing funds)

The C4L is under my microscope right now. You don't need to answer my questions, but I would like Don to.

I don't believe for a second that the Barr camp wanted anything more then to not be a part of the Nader, Green, no vote speech. This only became a huge rift because C4L chose to make it so. They aren't the ones looking to maximize votes in this election and it shows in how they are handling this.

 

[pauletteNV]

Storm surge, high tide and grand waves

PauletteNV, I think Galveston is in for it bad.

all at once - not a good scenario. You'all down south button up tight!

 

[torchbearer]

hello.....

Up until I witnessed Don come in here and work actively to tear the movement apart, I was a defender of the C4L (and your vanishing funds)

The C4L is under my microscope right now. You don't need to answer my questions, but I would like Don to.

I don't believe for a second that the Barr camp wanted anything more then to not be a part of the Nader, Green, no vote speech. This only became a huge rift because C4L chose to make it so. They aren't the ones looking to maximize votes in this election and it shows in how they are handling this.

Actually, Didn't mean it to sound that way, read it in your quote.
My funds haven't vanished, they are now materials for my city council run.
I only share my hand with my donors. But, Hey I'm getting used to people accusing me of fraud. Starting to grow on me, maybe I should try it someday.

How has Don worked actively to destroy this movement?
Barr had no part to play in it?
Have you asked the Barr campaign what happened to their ballot access in Louisiana? Perhaps that was the CFL's fault too?
Don kept Barr off the ballot? Or did Barr fuck up again?

I was a defender of Barr, I pushed people to vote for Barr instead of wasting a write-in vote, but the CFL has nothing to do with Barr's mistakes.

 

[BKom]

hello.....

Hello right back at you. Hey, Arealconservative, I am curious about something. I'm collecting answers to this question and it is completely serious.

What is a conservative?

Since you're a "real" one, I figured you could give me a thoughtful answer. Thanks.

 

[dr. hfn]

Wait a minute now! People in the Campaign for Liberty are making money off of our donations! Thats not good, we musn't succumb to corruption like the Repubs/Dems did. I hope their salaries are low, they need to be in it for Liberty, not money.

Like New Hampshire, the Reps only get pid $100 per year! True Patriots!!!

 

[torchbearer]

Wait a minute now! People in the Campaign for Liberty are making money off of our donations! Thats not good, we musn't succumb to corruption like the Repubs/Dems did. I hope their salaries are low, they need to be in it for Liberty, not money.

Like New Hampshire, the Reps only get pid $100 per year! True Patriots!!!

Don't donate. Personally, I find it helpful to have full time paid staff putting together the tools i need because i don't have the time to do it myself.
This isn't funded by government taxation, whereas, you have no choice.. but instead, you have a choice.
Join those not participating... and at the same time, knocking the CFL.
or Join those who are participating and give it your all because there is a plan to take this country back, and begins with a precinct program.
It really is a choice.

 

[ARealConservative]

Actually, Didn't mean it to sound that way, read it in your quote.
My funds haven't vanished, they are now materials for my city council run.
I only share my hand with my donors. But, Hey I'm getting used to people accusing me of fraud. Starting to grow on me, maybe I should try it someday.

I didn't say they vanished. I said (meant) I defended you against the charge of vanishing funds.

How has Don worked actively to destroy this movement?

By trying to divide us over petty press conference grandstanding.

Barr had no part to play in it?

He clearly could of handled the situation better, but going this apeshit over getting cold feat in a press conference is not worthy of the "unofficial" CFL response.

Have you asked the Barr campaign what happened to their ballot access in Louisiana? Perhaps that was the CFL's fault too?
Don kept Barr off the ballot? Or did Barr fuck up again?

Both campaigns have been run badly. I have tried to defend them against all the little mistakes, but now we have a case of the CFL attacking an active candidate and it's crazy. The longer they don't stand down and try to smooth this over the more their intentions come into question.

 

[michigan wolverine]

I think Barr withdrew his attending for a good reason. If it was my campaign and Nader and McKinney were going to be there and there was no difference in the campaigns being stated in the press conference I would have withdrawn also. I would object to being group of socialist also.

I in good faith could not tell people that all of those candidates was deserving of someone's vote. There is too much difference between Barr, Baldwin any Nader, McKinney. It sure could be construed as a slap in the face of Barr.

Now if Dr. Paul did not want to endorse Baldwin over Barr or vice versa I can understand that. But then don't include Nader and Mc Kinney in the press conference. They may agree on the four points in the press conference. But they are vastly different on all the others.

Nothing is worse then voting for or against a candidate because you agree or disagree on one, two, three or four policies. I vote for the candidate that offers me the most freedom.

 

[torchbearer]

I didn't say they vanished. I said (meant) I defended you against the charge of vanishing funds.



By trying to divide us over petty press conference grandstanding.



He clearly could of handled the situation better, but going this apeshit over getting cold feat in a press conference is not worthy of the "unofficial" CFL response.



Both campaigns have been run badly. I have tried to defend them against all the little mistakes, but now we have a case of the CFL attacking an active candidate and it's crazy. The longer they don't stand down and try to smooth this over the more their intentions come into question.

The CFL, by law, cannot attack a candidate.
I noticed that Don's special title is no longer valid. Perhaps you should ask him if he speaks on behalf of the CFL.
That would be a good place to start.

 

[LibertyEagle]

hello.....

Up until I witnessed Don come in here and work actively to tear the movement apart, I was a defender of the C4L (and your vanishing funds)

The C4L is under my microscope right now. You don't need to answer my questions, but I would like Don to.

I don't believe for a second that the Barr camp wanted anything more then to not be a part of the Nader, Green, no vote speech. This only became a huge rift because C4L chose to make it so. They aren't the ones looking to maximize votes in this election and it shows in how they are handling this.

What are you talking about?

Barr is the one who snubbed Ron Paul AND US by snubbing the press conference.

Barr is the one whose staff then proceeded to write articles for BARR'S campaign website, dissing Ron Paul, CFL and US.

Barr is the one who went on Cavuto and continued the dissing.

Yes, I would love to see this stopped. Barr needs to step up and put his big boy pants on AND APOLOGIZE. He's acting like an overgrown child that his having a temper tantrum. By his entry into the presidential race, he apparently thought he deserved an automatic endorsement by Ron Paul. He also apparently thought all of Ron Paul's supporters would latch onto his campaign and donate to him, like we did for Paul. Neither happened and he's pounding his fists on the floor. Grow up, Barr.

 

[constituent]

Yes, I would love to see this stopped. Barr needs to step up and put his big boy pants on AND APOLOGIZE. He's acting like an overgrown child that his having a temper tantrum. By his entry into the presidential race, he apparently thought he deserved an automatic endorsement by Ron Paul. He also apparently thought all of Ron Paul's supporters would latch onto his campaign and donate to him, like we did for Paul. Neither happened and he's pounding his fists on the floor. Grow up, Barr.

excellent analysis.


Bob Barr.....

you know what to do