Don...Questions about C4L Please.

[acptulsa]

It should be on their web site. If not, then they should rectify that glaring omission immediately.

Agreed. If they're going to preach transparency, and claim to actively support transparency, they need to practice it.

Lead by example, people.

 

[constituent]

Because I have emailed them before and get no response. They dont' respond. I figured I'd have a chance of a response here because Don comes on here and posts things. I also kinda thought others would benefit from knowing the answers as well. So, how is Jeff Greenspan related to C4L? Is he on the board or the staff? just curious. Tones (LOL is vetting the cl4 heirarchy for grins and giggles)

i don't know if anyone knows exact titles, ranks, or whatever...

i'm guessing RP is pope, but short of that i'm not certain.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Because I have emailed them before and get no response. They dont' respond. I figured I'd have a chance of a response here because Don comes on here and posts things. I also kinda thought others would benefit from knowing the answers as well. So, how is Jeff Greenspan related to C4L? Is he on the board or the staff? just curious. Tones (LOL is vetting the cl4 heirarchy for grins and giggles)

Like I said, it's a very fair question.

Last I knew, Don was on contract to do all the arranging for the Rally. J. Greenspan was a volunteer.

Not sure, but you might try posting your question on a blog over on their site too. They probably check those a whole lot more than reading here.

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

I don't think anyone is sure...that's why I'm asking. It's important to know who is on the board, what the by laws are, if there are by laws, Non profits are supposed to have by laws, political parties must have by laws. Is there an election process? When is the general election within the non profit? If you join for 35 dollars do you get a vote on things? See, these things are important if this is a grassroots operation, then it stands to reason any one of us could be nominated to be an officer or appointed to the board. Inquiring minds want to know. Tones

 

[LibertyEagle]

It should be on their web site. If not, then they should rectify that glaring omission immediately.

Yes, I agree.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda.

Try asking them over on their site. It might yield better results.

 

[james1844]

and yes, ron and i really are reptilians who are here to loot you and stop the freedom movement. *bwahahaahahahassssssssssssssssssssss*

lol

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

Aren't the moderators interested to know the answers to these questions? Don't you think it's important information for those who read these threads to know also? Most people don't know about how non profits work, and don't know what questions to ask. Tones

 

[mnewcomb]

Fair questions Tones.

I too would like to know who is employed/contracted and how much they are getting paid.

It's funny how Don can come here to ronpaulforums.com to incite some anti-Barr sentiment, but can't answer some simple questions about the Campaign for Liberty?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Aren't the moderators interested to know the answers to these questions? Don't you think it's important information for those who read these threads to know also? Most people don't know about how non profits work, and don't know what questions to ask. Tones

YES

YES

YES

I had already posted TWICE that I thought it was a fair question. Geesh.

But the C4L does not live here. They have their own site. So, if you want to increase your likelihood of getting an answer, it would behoove you to go ask them.

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

Yes I know there are ghost writers, but Ron Paul seems to be an advocate for truth and it surprised me that he'd allow something to go out in his name (AGAIN) without the fact that someone else actually wrote it. You see, I might have still bought the book if I'd known the truth, but at least I would have made an informed decision. I expect different from Ron Paul. I blindely support no one anymore...I was behind Bob Barr, but I can't do it anymore and it disturbs me that people who represent Ron Paul would spread falsehoods about Barr dropping out of the race merely to get media attention. I have to question things. I generally get in trouble for asking the "wrong questions". Tones

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

Bump!!!!!!!!!

 

[torchbearer]

Don't forget....the Campaign for Liberty is no longer a grass roots project like the campaign was...it has handlers who are making salaries. Tones

The Campaign for Liberty is about to provide us with tools that will make us powerful grassroots lobbyist and help us work our precincts.
The things that matter most in elections.
I was at all the training sessions, the leadership summit.. etc. All I saw was positives all around.
I'm sorry barr is getting bashed, but really, there is no reptilian scheme to keep you down.
Your attitude handles that job just fine.

 

[freelance]

I have to question things. I generally get in trouble for asking the "wrong questions". Tones

Well, don't let that stop you. You have a right to ask legitimate questions, and your questions are reasonable and legitimate.

 

[pauletteNV]

Negative attitudes get people no where

i don't know if anyone knows exact titles, ranks, or whatever...

i'm guessing RP is pope, but short of that i'm not certain.

Constituent, do you post under another screenname, too? Your antagonism sounds familiar. If you are not certain about your facts, or have an answer, why are you rambling on? Leave it. The question has been asked, give Don or someone who really knows the chance to answer.

I do agree with LibertyEagle...this is probably not the best place to get answers to your questions, Tones. I am not saying they are not valid quesitons to be asked, but you know what they say about perserverence. Try, try try again...over on C4L or by email. Look at all the negativity posted here without even a day or two to give time for response. Take a big breath and relax.

 

[Pete]

Tones, I suggest you start by asking C4L for a copy of their IRS Form 1024. That will answer a lot of your questions.

 

[Knightskye]

And we can dispel that Ferguson guy's claim that Ron Paul is "in the Ron Paul business."

 

[ladyjade3]

...and it disturbs me that people who represent Ron Paul would spread falsehoods about Barr dropping out of the race merely to get media attention.

The only source that is claiming that rumor came from offical staff was Russ Verney, who I would consider a questionable source at this point on this subject.

I frequently see rumors originated and circulated in these forums, however. Let's not allow whatever craziness that happens on here to get falsely pinned on official sources, when they started organically and randomly right here in the grassroots.

And getting miffed about that particular rumor is stupid anyway, considering Root was offering to drop out.

 

[constituent]

1) Constituent, do you post under another screenname, too? Your antagonism sounds familiar. 2) If you are not certain about your facts, or have an answer, 3) why are you rambling on?

1) lol, the sock puppet...

we've gone over projection here before...

Nope, at least not for criticism.. I do have another name, but i use that one more for policy advocacy than anything else.

I know you like to come out and cover his (Jeff Greenspan, that is) ass though, i've checked your posting history, but it's whatever to me.

Do you post under another screenname too?

2) I am certain about my facts, so thanks.

3) "Rambling on?" What's that supposed to mean?

Just another cheap shot perhaps? I've come to expect no less of your ilk.

Leave it. The question has been asked, give Don or someone who really knows the chance to answer.

What question? He asked if there was a way to get in touch w/ the folks through the message board. I answered his question per the FACT that they are all available through this site as well, ronpaulforums.com, even if they like to sneak around about it.

I do agree with LibertyEagle...this is probably not the best place to get answers to your questions, Tones.

Where is the place to get an answer?

and don't tell me their site, b/c if you believe that you're either full of hot air, benefiting financially (posturing to?) or willfully ignorant.

my guess is a combination of all the above.

I am not saying they are not valid quesitons to be asked, but you know what they say about perserverence. Try, try try again...over on C4L or by email.

cue "The Neverending Story" theme song

Look at all the negativity posted here

Yea Paulette, please do. You can start by clicking the link I provided Tones earlier.

Anything you could do to wrestle an apology out of your buddy for his actions here, including efforts to undermine the forum community, and a full explanation for his purpose in doing so would be appreciated.

Short of that, I will continue airing my displeasure when and if i find it appropriate to do so.

Mods and Admins have an open invitation to ban my account at anytime of their choosing.

k?thnx

 

[Matt Collins]

Tones -

I honestly do not think the CFL is an organization that is going to exist just to take people's money and then let the higher-ups live fat-cat lives off of it. I don't think Ron would allow it, and I don't think that the people that I met at the CFL events last week are those kinds of people.

Now that being said please realize the CFL is NOT a democratic organization. By that I mean there will be no election of officers at the national level. There will be no "constitutional convention" where all of the CFL members get together and draft charter documents. The national organization will be top down and centralized in power. Will this work? Who knows... I think having a strong central organization can have benefits, but it can also present problems too.

If it's going to be run anything like the campaign was then it would be better to have more loose non-centralized organization. If they are actually going to operate more effectively than the campaign did then some strong centralized planning isn't necessarily a bad thing. I am kind of disturbed a bit at the lack of input the national CFL is looking like they will accept from the boots on the ground.


At the moment the CFL doesn't have their act together. Last week during the leadership summit there were a few things that they simply couldn't answer because they hadn't decided upon themselves. In all fairness I think their attention was focused on getting the R4R together, not the long-term CFL. But if something substantial isn't out by the time January rolls around then I will be kind of conerned about the ineptitude of the organization.

So let's get through the election, wait, and see.

 

[Bradley in DC]

The only source that is claiming that rumor came from offical staff was Russ Verney, who I would consider a questionable source at this point on this subject.

I frequently see rumors originated and circulated in these forums, however. Let's not allow whatever craziness that happens on here to get falsely pinned on official sources, when they started organically and randomly right here in the grassroots.

And getting miffed about that particular rumor is stupid anyway, considering Root was offering to drop out.

The source has been several different Barr staffers (who may have all gotten it from Verney, who knows?). More tellingly has been the lack of denial by the CFL staffers. Perhaps Greenspan needs to create another sockpuppet to deny it?!