DOJ indicts Jesse Benton and John Tate

Yeah, it's pretty sucky alright. The media has been hard at Rand for over a month now. I've just been going to google news and searching for Rand and nothing but one hit piece after another has been popping up for quite some time now. And he has gotten very few interviews. ugh

I personally think the GOP establishment has set the fix for Jeb to be the nominee. The conservative vote is so split right now, that not a one of them are going to have the numbers. If Rand is going to break free, we are going to need a miracle. I am still hoping and praying for one.

this 100%.

The establishment is not gonna take ANY chances whatsoever and allow Rand any traction.... they trolled Ron hard..... BUT, they only started hitting him hard AFTER he got a great foothold.... They will NOT give Rand that chance. They can't contend with more GOP'ers leaving the farm and getting wise to the establishment antics.

They will hit RAND VERY VERY HARD NOW UNTIL THE END..... They have Carson, Cruz, the fake Fiorina, the Fake Trump to carry the "conservative" mantle, while duping all the cows in the GOP farm.

If RAND lasts, and he can get some great backing from some billionaires.. then YES, he will have a chance and a voice.

But I agree --- they are in blast mode.. and they will not allow another Ron Paul moment to happen. It created the wave of a TON of new liberty candidates... they despise liberty.


BUT BUT BUT -- I am not quitting on supporting the liberty candidate.... Rand. Yeah, I donate money.. Yeah, I donate time...
Maybe most of you need to ante up... too.
 
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Google Won’t Let the Government See the Emails of Rand Paul's Aides

The three Rand Paul aides who were indicted earlier this month are doing their best to turn the government case against them into an example of government overreach, and Google has taken their side in the fight.

In the summer of 2014, federal investigators began probing whether Ron Paul's 2012 presidential campaign had paid Iowa state Sen. Kent Sorenson for his endorsement. After Sorenson confessed, investigators focused on three other men, including current presidential candidate Rand Paul's nephew-in-law, Jesse Benton, whose email account supposedly contained evidence.

After a brief skirmish with Benton's attorney about accessing Benton's emails, FBI agents got a search warrant that entitled them to read the emails without Benton's cooperation. But the plan did not go smoothly. Benton has a Gmail account, and Google's policy is to notify users when their accounts have been hit with a search warrant. Benton's attorney, Roscoe Howard, promptly filed a motion to block the search warrant, alleging that it was improper, and Google stopped cooperating with the FBI.

That was almost a year ago. Two weeks ago, Benton and two other top Paul aides, John F. Tate and Dimitri Kesari, were indicted on federal charges, including conspiracy, campaign finance violations, and making false statements. Prosecutors accused the men of paying Sorenson more than $73,000, hiding the payments by funneling them through a third party, and lying on campaign finance filings to cover them up.

The FBI still hasn't gotten ahold of Benton's emails. Last week, a judge ruled that the FBI had a right to the emails, but once again, Benton resisted and Google agreed.

"Frighteningly, the government still maintains that it has the right to trample Mr. Benton’s privacy rights and look through every single one of Mr. Benton’s emails, just as if his email account were a warehouse full of documents," Howard wrote. "The government’s statement underscores its true intent—to conduct a fishing expedition."

The government has now demanded that Google be held in contempt if the company doesn't immediately turn over the emails, and it has argued that Benton and his attorney can raise their concerns at trial if they don't like the way the search warrant was obtained. Most people don't learn they're the target of a search warrant until it has already been executed, which means they don't have the opportunity to challenge the warrant until the evidence appears in court. But accessing emails is not like kicking down a door and finding a gun: Google controls access to the emails on its server, so the company's refusal to comply with the FBI—and its willingness to tell Benton about the warrant—not only changes the dynamic in this particular case; it could also create a precedent for others.

Continue reading: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/08/google-jumps-legal-fight-over-paul-aides
 
Huh. I'm half-expecting a comparison to Clinton in light of this. Something along the lines of 'Well, if Clinton says she's got nothing to hide, why can't some of Rand Paul's aides, not even Paul himself, do the same thing?'
 
You watch what happens...

He'll skate on the actual FEC charges, but he's going to go to jail on a USC 1001 conviction.

If any statement he made to the everfucking feds during the course of the investigation turns out to be false, for any reason, then that is considered prima facie evidence of guilt.

If he hung around here and listened to nutcases like me, he might have picked up the idea to dummy the fuck up and NEVER talk to cops, ever.

I stated a couple of times in this thread, how I think it will play out wrt to the indictment's charges:

I think they'll skate on the conspiracy and false records charges.

But the feds will burn Benton on the "false statements to the FBI" charge. A USC 1001 conviction is very easy to obtain.

Looks like AF nailed it: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...hrows-out-4-of-5-charges-against-Jesse-Benton

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jesse-benton-4-charges-dismissed

The judge dismissed all charges against Benton except for a count of lying to federal investigators, according to Politico... Both Pauls had questioned the timing of the indictment, which was handed down shortly before the first Republican presidential primary debate of the 2016 election cycle.
 

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Was talking about this with some friends just now.

"But AF, you said not to talk to cops. These were FEC officials".

"Bah! Who gives a shit? Local cops, state cops, federal cops, global cops, investigators, regulators, officials...all just another name for some assholes with badges. Keep your mouth shut around any of them. It should not be like that, and it is not like that in a free country. But we are not that anymore."
 
I don't have a link handy but I read the other day that Ron himself will be called as a prosecution witness if this goes to trial :(

Great job Jesse.
 
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Unexpected ?

Yeah, frankly.

I would have figured they, or their lawyers, would have had the sense to tell them to dummy up when talking to the feds.

Benton is additionally charged with making false statements to the FBI

Since it was FBI and not FEC, the investigation was already underway.

Shut the fuck up at that point.

Say nothing!

Yup.
 
Benton was sentenced to home confinement.

I only just read of this, well they deserved they got. They should of been sent to prison. Benton is Mr Paul's granddaughter's husband. LOL!
 
I only just read of this, well they deserved they got. They should of been sent to prison. Benton is Mr Paul's granddaughter's husband. LOL!
What the hell is wrong with you?

You want to send someone to prison for violating a federal law that is unconstitutional to begin with?
 
Top Ron Paul aide learns fate for 2012 campaign violations

DES MOINES -- The chairman of Ron Paul’s 2012 presidential bid was sentenced Tuesday to probation and home confinement rather than prison, and two other top aides were awaiting their sentences for a scheme to cover up campaign payments to a former Iowa state senator who agreed to endorse their boss.

Although prosecutors were seeking more than two years in federal prison, Jesse Benton was sentenced to two years’ probation and six months of home confinement, along with community service and a $10,000 fine. He was convicted of conspiracy, causing false campaign contribution reports to be filed to the Federal Election Commission and participating in a false statement scheme.

Judge James Jarvey called the crimes serious and said Benton took advantage of the system designed to ensure transparency in how campaigns are financed.

“There’s nothing like prison time to deter white collar activity,” Jarvey said, before announcing that he thought the lesser punishment was enough of a deterrent in Benton’s case.

Prior to the sentencing announcement, Benton told the judge he had endured years of sleepless nights and public humiliation. He said his career is ruined and that he was forced to place his home on the market after going into debt.

“A steep price has been paid,” he said.

Benton and his attorney declined to comment as they left the courthouse.

The campaign’s manager, John Tate, and deputy manager Dimitri Kesari also were convicted. Tate was also scheduled to be sentenced on Tuesday. Kesari’s sentencing is set for Wednesday morning.

The men have argued they broke no laws when they paid a video production company, which passed on $73,000 to former state Sen. Kent Sorenson. He dropped support for Michele Bachmann and endorsed Paul six days before the 2012 Iowa caucuses.

Prosecutors said it is illegal to cause a campaign to file inaccurate spending documents.

The men said they were targeted because of their conservative politics and argued campaigns typically don’t identify payments to subcontractors of vendors.

They are expected to appeal their convictions to the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. If the judges rule against the men, they may choose to seek further review of the U.S. Supreme Court.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/top-ron-paul-aide-learns-fate-for-2012-campaign-violations/
 
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