Does Ron want us to leave the GOP?

[Carlybee]

Spiritual issues--and yes, even dogma--belongs in the conversation. It doesn't belong in the code of law, but it belongs in the conversation. And coalitions without compromises are difficult or impossible. Yes, there certainly is such a thing as too much compromise. That said, the two percent (at most) of the population that sees eye to eye with you on every last detail isn't going to take power without a whole lot of weaponry. A whole lot.

I believe the only part about religion that belongs in the conversation is the freedom to observe or not observe so I wil disagree with you there. Yes we always have to compromise on some things...but some are not negotiable.

 

[Carlybee]

Who EVER cared about the Republican Party??? That was never what we were about. Political parties are just tools; tools to use to get our liberty candidates elected. Ron chose the Republican Party because it was the most expedient path to accomplish that goal.

Yesterday sucked and it sucked big time. I'm still so angry I really cannot talk to anyone who is not as pissed off about it as we are. Even with those stinking rule changes, the Republican Party is STILL the most expedient route to get our guys elected. I know, I hate it too. The emotional part of me wants me to hurt "the party" and hurt it badly, but the logical part of me knows that would be biting off my nose to spite my face. It doesn't mean that I will just accept what happened yesterday, because I won't and I NEVER will. But, I will use the hell out of them to get more Thomas Massie's and Justin Amash's elected.

Until we get the new rules thrown out, they will make it very difficult to get anyone of our choosing elected as President, but there are on hell of a lot of other offices to be filled. And who knows, those rules may be thrown out faster than we think. They went too damn far yesterday and also pissed off the tea party republicans and every other grassroots republican. FreedomWorks is on this, as well as other organizations.

I'm not going to give up. But, I damn sure plan to get even. They want us to give up, leave and abandon all of our inroads. Doing it would be giving them exactly what they want. So, we can either do that, or resolve right now that we will remember every stinking person on that Rules Committee and hand them their marching orders as soon as possible.

I know what I am going to do. How about you?

If you never gave a fck about the Republican party, did you expect them to welcome a hostile takeover with open arms? Makes the intentions seem dishonest. I thought we were trying to get it back to where it used to be because we did care.

 

[acptulsa]

I believe the only part about religion that belongs in the conversation is the freedom to observe or not observe so I wil disagree with you there...

Doesn't sound like disagreement to me. Maintaining one group's right to observe, another group's right not to observe, and other groups' right to observe somthing other than what works for the majority is a continual process that requires conversation.

If you never gave a fck about the Republican party, did you expect them to welcome a hostile takeover with open arms? Makes the intentions seem dishonest. I thought we were trying to get it back to where it used to be because we did care.

You seem to try to make an argument of everything. May I suggest you try stopping to consider whether you agree with someone first?

She called the party a tool. You can have not one whit of passion for a hammer, yet still care passionately about driving the nails and building the house.

 

[erowe1]

If you're in a deep-blue state such as Connecticut, California, Illinois, New York, etc. then working within the GOP won't get you very far. Work within the Democratic Party there. In deep-red states, the opposite is true.

It's the exact opposite. The deep blue states are where the GOP is ripest for the picking. They still influence the RNC and the presidential nomination.

 

[erowe1]

I believe the only part about religion that belongs in the conversation is the freedom to observe or not observe

That's not true.

You apparently also believe that another part about religion belongs in the conversation, namely the part about which part about it belongs in the conversation.

You will find there are other parts you think belong as well. Of course religion belongs in the conversation. It can't and shouldn't be avoided.

 

[erowe1]

When it believed and did what we are advocating it do again.

Was there ever such a time?

 

[acptulsa]

Was there ever such a time?

Everyone else, I apologize for repeating myself.

Yes. 1921. Harding and Coolidge ended the wartime regulation and outright socialization and, in so doing, kicked off the Roaring Twenties.

People, listen up. This is our best selling point! If there's one thing we can get 99% of the population to agree on, it's that we could really, really use another Roaring Twenties about now...

 

[Carlybee]

Doesn't sound like disagreement to me. Maintaining one group's right to observe, another group's right not to observe, and other groups' right to observe somthing other than what works for the majority is a continual process that requires conversation.



You seem to try to make an argument of everything. May I suggest you try stopping to consider whether you agree with someone first?

She called the party a tool. You can have not one whit of passion for a hammer, yet still care passionately about driving the nails and building the house.

She's the one who started her statement with "Whoever cared about the Republican party?" Which illicited an honest question in my mind. Apparently you are another one here only interested in hearing what you want to hear or agree with. If you can't handle certain content being questioned that's not my problem. I have no intention of sugarcoating my viewpoint to appease those who wish to suppress dissent.

 

[erowe1]

Everyone else, I apologize for repeating myself.

Yes. 1921. Harding and Coolidge ended the wartime regulation and outright socialization and, in so doing, kicked off the Roaring Twenties.

People, listen up. This is our best selling point! If there's one thing we can get 99% of the population to agree on, it's that we could really, really use another Roaring Twenties about now...

But Harding and Coolidge only became representatives of the GOP by accident. The party establishment was never really with them.

Granted, they (at least Coolidge anyway) are the greatest success small-government Republicans have ever had.

 

[erowe1]

For those who think now is the time to give up on the GOP:

How is now any different than 2008?

We're not going through anything we didn't go through then. In addition, we have all the advances we've made between then and now to encourage us.

I appreciate the position that politics is futile. I just don't see how this year's events could be the thing that would drive anybody to that.

Also, for those leaning that way, why not just give yourselves some time. Your emotions are raw right now. It's a decision that can wait.

 

[Badger Paul]

Collins before everyone starts thinking that you are an ingratiating little prick, perhaps you may want to cool it for a while while emotions are still pretty raw.

Perhaps this would be the better post instead of implying you Ron Paul on are on mind-meld:

"Yes we know they are crooks and liars and we know everything was rigged. But because they've rigged the general election process too with their good friends the Democrats, we have no choice but to take over the GOP and the only we can do this is be winning primaries and caucuses in 2016."

 

[acptulsa]

If you can't handle certain content being questioned that's not my problem.

You're right. That doesn't seem to be your problem.

As for reading comprehension, on the other hand, well, improving it could have a positive effect on your blood pressure. The only thing you've said that I disagree with is your assertion that you disagree. Which is hard to believe when the conversation goes like this:

Person: I say x.

You: You're wrong! The truth is x!

 

[LibertyEagle]

If you never gave a fck about the Republican party, did you expect them to welcome a hostile takeover with open arms? Makes the intentions seem dishonest.

You must have missed the cheating that went on yesterday.

I thought we were trying to get it back to where it used to be because we did care.

A political party is an inanimate object. Why would I care about it? What I care about is my freedom, for me and for my countrymen. I see the Republican Party as a mechanism to accomplish that.

As we get more liberty candidates elected, it will of course infuse more libertarian principles back into the Republican Party; just as we will, as we keep getting elected to leadership positions in the GOP across the country. Education is a part of this too, if that is what you are getting at. Like Dr. Paul mentioned during the Rally, that has to go along with this too, if we are going to be successful.

I also think it's important to distinguish between the GOP establishment Insiders and the rank-and-file Republicans. It was the establishment that royally screwed us yesterday. But, groups from the tea party, Cain supporters, Bachmann supporters and FreedomWorks are really upset about the rule changes.

If we keep going and the grassroots can wrestle control of the GOP away from the establishment insiders, it will follow that the Republican Party will become a lot more "loveable".

 

[angelatc]

If you're in a deep-blue state such as Connecticut, California, Illinois, New York, etc. then working within the GOP won't get you very far. Work within the Democratic Party there. In deep-red states, the opposite is true.

While it's true that working in the GOP in Chicago is a thankless task, the rest of the state is pretty red.

 

[Icymudpuppy]

I seem to recall Ron endorsing Chuck Baldwin in 2008.

Vote 3rd party in the General please. I'm sure Ron has an endorsement in mind, and it won't be Romney. Johnson, Goode, whoever.

 

[Revolution9]

I'm totally serious. Have you actually ever ventured into the Libertarian Party?

Perhaps it's different in your state, but in Michigan the Libertarian Party is a joke.

Georgia too. Though Ike Hall is awesome.

Rev9

 

[speciallyblend]

no no need to leave, we can vote out the liars and anyone endorsing romney while being and staying republican. As a republican i will hold the lying,cheating and stealing rnc/gop est and romney campaign accountable by donating and supporting Gary Johnson 2012 in colorado a swing state. romney has already lost this election. The gop will elect obama or we WILL WIN with Gary Johnson not the lying,cheating and stealing romney sellouts. VOTE GARY JOHNSON over Obamney!! we need a liberty pac in colorado or nationally who's goal is to expose the liars in the gop and push for Gary Johnson, my money is waiting to donate! Johnson/Paul 2012 or Johnson 2012 over Obamney!!!

 

[erowe1]

I'm sure Ron has an endorsement in mind, and it won't be Romney. Johnson, Goode, whoever.

And I'm sure that in his mind is where that endorsement will stay. He won't make one publicly. I think you're right, that if someone's going to bother voting, that's the way to go. But this discussion isn't really about which irrelevant thing to do in the voting booth this November. It's looking beyond that.

 

[angelatc]

But Harding and Coolidge only became representatives of the GOP by accident. The party establishment was never really with them.

Granted, they (at least Coolidge anyway) are the greatest success small-government Republicans have ever had.

The fact that they "stumbled" in to the office only adds to the point that we should at least hang around the party.

 

[Revolution9]

Does Ron Paul want us to go and jump off of a cliff?


Is it really this hard to stop for a second and use your own brain to make decisions instead of constantly relying on someone else to show you the path?

I don't give a rats ass about what Ron thinks I should do, I will do what I think I should do, period.

You can climb down off the handsoap box. Ron said to do what you want to do.

Rev9