Does Ron want us to leave the GOP?

[Bastiat's The Law]

This movement has invested five years of work into the GOP, some have been working even longer than that. Since 2008 we have increased Ron's delegate count by nearly 5x. Do that again in 2016 with an additional bump of having a more liked candidate in Rand Paul and we can have a liberty candidate win the nomination in 2016.

We have 5x the army that we started with, if we all stay involved and work at it, we can accomplish what we worked so hard for (with Matt's incredible help) here in Minnesota on a national scale. Its doable but we all most stay involved and work. If we leave, drones will just replace us and the GOP will continue to exist as their policies become worse and worse.

Let's work to bring back those who left for the Libertarian, Constitution, and other third parties. Instead of further fracturing our movement we worked so hard to build, lets change the RNC leadership. Win over your local and state parties, win the National Committee man and woman seats. Let's replace Priebus in 2013, change the rules in 2014, and win in 2016. We've worked so hard lets not give up yet. Step up from your computers and work with good local liberty candidates in the meantime, step up if you don't see other liberty loving Americans doing so. Lets take back our cities, our counties, our states, and finally our nation.

 

[SilentBull]

Well let's see. We have Rand Paul, Mike Lee, Justin Amash and a bunch of other people that have won their local races. I say his plan to change the GOP is working. Why stop now?

 

[hazek]

Does Ron Paul want us to go and jump off of a cliff?


Is it really this hard to stop for a second and use your own brain to make decisions instead of constantly relying on someone else to show you the path?

I don't give a rats ass about what Ron thinks I should do, I will do what I think I should do, period.

 

[krazy kaju]

Take over both parties.Go where you feel happiest.

Interesting point. Personally, I feel more at home with secular social liberals than I do with neoconservatives and the Religious Right. The problem, though, is that there is no organized movement to take over the Democratic Party by libertarian-minded folks like there is to take over the GOP. For better or for worse, Ron Paul has set us on a path to collide and become absorbed by the Republican Party. The most we, as individuals, can do is to take that path and do our part to unseat the GOP Establishment.

 

[papitosabe]

he's mentioned several times how the system is broken and that we do indeed need a third party to at least have more debate... when asked if he'd run third party, a few times he's stated how his message would not be heard so there wouldn't be a point... he's also stated how he want to get the Republican party back to its roots...

 

[Tod]

He has said that the reason he ran (typed is running, the first time) under the Republican banner this election is because he doesn't believe that with the current state of affairs, a 3rd party doesn't stand much of a chance, much to his lament.

So, we need to ask ourselves: Has anything changed that would mean that a 3rd party is now a viable concept?

I would say the best route is to be flexible with regards to party affiliation and run for office in whatever party is most likely to result in election, or, in the case of the voter, vote for the liberty candidate no matter what party banner they are running under.

 

[Weston White]

How about we rename the party instead? Besides, doesn't the Grand Old Paul have a much nicer ring to it? And even the Ronpaulican Party?

 

[July]

I think the GOP is very far from united at this point. I think wait and see what develops with the tea party, evangelicals, social conservatives, and other grassroots organizations in reaction to Romney. The mood and sentiment in 2014 could be very anti-establishment. It remains to be seen just how Republicans will react. If Romney loses, we could see a push back and attempt at purging. I'm sitting tight to see.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Just food for thought here....if we take over the GOP and Democratic party at the local and state levels, we COULD repeal the laws making ballot access for third parties difficult.

We could remove the discrimination towards third parties by continuing to become and take over the GOP and "opening the flood gates" so to speak. What do you guys think?

 

[jhk07]

I don't think he wants people to leave, but they will. I've said it before, the deck is stacked. They will change the rules and cheat as they go to suit their needs. Mobocracy has taken over the Republic. They have more guns, money and people, and as long as they continue to make it a democracy vs. a republic, you might as well forget it. Most people need to feel a sense of accomplishment/ victory in order to keep the ball rolling. I've seen people say look at the gains that have been made since 2008. At that pace in 2148 our decendants can just have their own liberty planet. As far as I'm concerned, I don't want another email or mail from Rand, C4L, Tate, Benton or any of them. Not only will people leave the GOP, they just may leave politics period. And in my case, again...........

 

[erowe1]

bringing back the GOP to what it used to be a long, long time ago.

When?

 

[Dr.3D]

When?

When it believed and did what we are advocating it do again.

 

[TomtheTinker]

Ummmm....Stay in the GOP?

I still think he should go INDIE, for America's sake.

He would get a small % of the vote as a Indie and get wrongly blamed for BHOs 2nd term...while it would help in somber ways it would do more harm than good.




Im habdcuffing my self to the s.s. gop and when the current captain fails asleep at the wheel we willl be there to pick up the pieces.

In othe words...Im going no where.

 

[acptulsa]

When?

Well, let's see. In 1921 Harding and Coolidge re-privatized the nationalized railroads, ended similar invasions into the affairs of several other industries, fired a guy named House and kicked off the Roaring Twenties.

Sounds like a good baseline date to reset to. At least, I think so.

 

[Tankbot85]

I only went Republican to vote for Ron Paul anyways. I might go back Democrat or register Libertarian now.

I want nothing to do with the normal republican platform of religious rule.

 

[Tod]

Just food for thought here....if we take over the GOP and Democratic party at the local and state levels, we COULD repeal the laws making ballot access for third parties difficult.

We could remove the discrimination towards third parties by continuing to become and take over the GOP and "opening the flood gates" so to speak. What do you guys think?

I think you have a very valid point.

 

[Tod]

I don't give a rats ass about what Ron thinks I should do, I will do what I think I should do, period.

Well, as luck would have it, you will be doing exactly what Ron thinks you should do.

Serendipity!

 

[Carlybee]

To be honest, obviously per his email he wishes to continue the same gameplan. I personally feel that if we do so we will end up with some weird libertarian/tea party hybrid that is going to end up as a compromise on certain liberty ideals that will not appeal to me...like pandering to evangelicals and getting some religious dogma in the conversation. I will be forfeiting my GOP status in favor of being independent and will support only true liberty candidates. I don't believe compromise for the sake of politics is acceptable on many issues. JMHO

 

[acptulsa]

To be honest, obviously per his email he wishes to continue the same gameplan. I personally feel that if we do so we will end up with some weird libertarian/tea party hybrid that is going to end up as a compromise on certain liberty ideals that will not appeal to me...like pandering to evangelicals and getting some religious dogma in the conversation. I will be forfeiting my GOP status in favor of being independent and will support only true liberty candidates. I don't believe compromise for the sake of politics is acceptable. JMHO.

Spiritual issues--and yes, even dogma--belongs in the conversation. It doesn't belong in the code of law, but it belongs in the conversation. And coalitions without compromises are difficult or impossible. Yes, there certainly is such a thing as too much compromise. That said, the two percent (at most) of the population that sees eye to eye with you on every last detail isn't going to take power without a whole lot of weaponry. A whole lot.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Well, Matt, I'm afraid a goodly portion of us no longer give a fuck about the Republican party; further, I'd venture to guess that there will be more than one other person down at the courthouse tomorrow when I go down there to tear up my voter registration card that indicates I am a registered Republican.

So, no. I don't care what Ron Paul thinks, and tonight, I doubt he'd care too much about whether or not his supporters remain registered Republicans and support Robamney.

Can I get a witness?

Who EVER cared about the Republican Party??? That was never what we were about. Political parties are just tools; tools to use to get our liberty candidates elected. Ron chose the Republican Party because it was the most expedient path to accomplish that goal.

Yesterday sucked and it sucked big time. I'm still so angry I really cannot talk to anyone who is not as pissed off about it as we are. Even with those stinking rule changes, the Republican Party is STILL the most expedient route to get our guys elected. I know, I hate it too. The emotional part of me wants me to spend my efforts to hurt "the party" and hurt it badly, but the logical part of me knows that would be biting off my nose to spite my face. It doesn't mean that I will just accept what happened yesterday, because I won't and I NEVER will. But, I will use the hell out of them to get more Thomas Massie's and Justin Amash's elected.

Until we get the new rules thrown out, they will make it very difficult to get anyone of our choosing elected as President, but there are one hell of a lot of other offices to be filled. And who knows, those rules may be thrown out faster than we think. They went too damn far yesterday and also pissed off the tea party republicans and every other grassroots republican. FreedomWorks is on this, as well as other organizations.

I'm not going to give up. But, I damn sure plan to get even. They want us to give up, leave and abandon all of our inroads. Doing it would be giving them exactly what they want. So, we can either do that, or resolve right now that we will remember every stinking person on that Rules Committee and hand them their pink slips as soon as possible.

I know what I am going to do. How about you?