Does Ron Paul Still Have a chance of becoming President????

[RickyJ]

Whatever doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. Keep pushing it.

I hear that a lot, especially by some dumb pop singers, but it just isn't true. Sometimes what doesn't kill you cripples you.

 

[parocks]

I have read several conflicting threads and posts on this forum of people saying yes, he can still win, and those saying no he cannot, even one guy saying it was now impossible for Paul to win.

Can someone clarify this issue in a very concise, clear response?

Thanks.

Until someone other than Ron Paul gets the Republican Nomination officially, almost every American who meets the qualifications can win the nomination.

Romney could just, die. Theres a very very small chance of that. If that happened, he would NOT become the nominee, and Someone Else would be the nominee. Ron Paul, me, Sarah Palin, and millions of other Americans are possibilities for Someone Else.

In addition, Romney certainly doesn't have 1144.

What is true is that the media is pretending that the only way you can win the Republican Nomination is to capture 1144 votes before Tampa. By the media's way of thinking (because they're trying to pitch Romney), if you can't get 1144 by Tampa, you're out. And it may very well be that Ron Paul can't get 1144 before Tampa.

 

[sailingaway]

but he might be able to get it on a later ballot. so what he really has to do is keep ROMNEY from having 1144 going into Tampa.

 

[rockerrockstar]

Check this article out it sounds very positive for Ron.

Romney Nomination in doubt – Brokered Convention likely

http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articl...ation-in-doubt-brokered-convention-likely647/

 

[parocks]

What would the difference have been in PA if higher turnout?

I suspect that a number of factors went into play in 08. It's very possible that a Ron Paul vote in 08 was a protest vote against McCain. Santorum is from PA. Gingrich, too, is from PA, and did do well in Dauphin County (Harrisburg) where he lived.

Our chance, and the chance of any other conservative who doesn't want Romney, lies in blocking Romney from getting 1144 delegates. Other conservatives COULD recognize that and join with us to do it. That will likely not give anyone first ballot support at the RNC but will require whomever emerges to be more satisfactory to conservatives because they will need conservative support. After the first ballot most delegates are unbound and can vote their consciences. It opens up possibilities. If we block Romney, Ron could win. Or some new candidate acceptable to conservatives could (not that that is what we want.) Ron WILL have states and I believe he will have at least the necessary plurality in 5 states to get nominated into contention at the RNC BUT that means people have to WORK now, we need enthusiasm. We need phone from home. We need LOUISIANA DELEGATES and we need supporters there charged up because we are now in a low turnout mode. It hurts us to have supporters depressed, thinking there is no chance and not turning out ourselves. Think of what the difference could have been in Pennsylvania if only OUR OWN PEOPLE had kept the faith and turned out. These discussions can have results in those who read them, recall, and convincing our own supporters that there is no chance is the best way to lose.

At this point, I honestly think there is a real CHANCE, but it is not the 'likely' course of events. We all know what that is. But a BIG part of the reason I consider our chance slimmer rather than better now that the other two anti Romney's are out is that some of OUR OWN PEOPLE seem to think it is over. We have to get people MORE enthusiastic at this point to have the wins that will give Ron momentum to block Romney. With the media black out, I don't know if we can do that, but we should keep that in mind in the way we discuss these issues. For every member on this site there are MANY more watching. I don't know if you are aware, but our numbers had dropped here to 12000 visiters a day about, and the last couple of days, since Minnesota delegates became somewhat known, we have had a lot more traffic. So there ARE people checking in or looking around at candidates. Let's bring them in.

Beyond that, it is taking over the party apparatus for future runs so the party can't keep running the same script on conservatives every single election.

 

[parocks]

but he might be able to get it on a later ballot. so what he really has to do is keep ROMNEY from having 1144 going into Tampa.

right

 

[LandonCook]

The problem is... All the next states are Primarys. And Romeny gets all of the delegates if he wins 50% of the vote. There are 700 delegates up for grabs. And he has won the last 6 states with over 50%

If he does that in cali, Texas, and Jersey its game over. He wins the first vote.


With Santorum and Gingrich out there is no way to a brokered convention unless Paul wins states. Maybe they knew that.

IF Paul won Texas and Cali it might be possible to lose the other states... That it. And thats not going to happen.

 

[sailingaway]

The NEXT state is the Louisiana caucus. Saturday. Which Ron COULD win if his supporters turn out and don't buy the 'race is over' bs the media is putting out.

And if he won it he would have MOMENTUM going into other primaries. And there are also a couple of state conventions this weekend that could give him a boost with delegate wins. Maine and NV off the top of my head.

Again, we need momentum to outright win primaries, in expensive media states, but we still might get it.

 

[goldwater's ghost]

one question. in a two man race how do you get a brokered convention? are there going to be votes for santorum and gingrich in tampa?

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Yes.

 

[anaconda]

The outcome in November will be one of these:

Obama wins 8 more years

How?

 

[sailingaway]

from Austin today:

 

[Maximus]

OP: False Dichotomy. Ron Paul wants delegates, our job is to get the maximum number.

 

[digitaldean]

I am still hoping for a brokered convention even if Mitt gets as high as 1000 on the first round of voting.

 

[ProIndividual]

I have no idea if it's possible...but I hope it is. All I know is, Romney doesn't have 1140ish delegates yet...so there is hope of a miracle (at the least).

 

[Paul Or Nothing II]

I have no idea if it's possible...but I hope it is. All I know is, Romney doesn't have 1140ish delegates yet...so there is hope of a miracle (at the least).

Even if he gets 1144, there could be Paul-supporters who might be Romney's bound delegates & may choose to abstain on the first ballot (that's what I've heard) & make a difference still

 

[J_White]

i think he meant, if Obama wins, Obama gets 4 yrs.
If Romney wins, who is a worse Obama clone, then Obama (his policies) get 8 yrs.

How?

 

[azxd]

Bottom line....Mitt Romney hasn't 'won' yet, and Ron Paul hasn't 'lost'.

And now you know, the rest of the story.

 

[Danjlion7]

OP: False Dichotomy. Ron Paul wants delegates, our job is to get the maximum number.

I hope this doesn't sound insulting, but do you know what dichotomy means?

 

[Danjlion7]

OP: False Dichotomy. Ron Paul wants delegates, our job is to get the maximum number.

Oh, wait, are you saying the false dichotomy is him winning or losing?????

How the hell is that a false dichotomy? I mean he is, in fact, either going to win or lose.