Does anyone else just feel generally uneasy right now?

[Dianne]

Not a believer.... can't imagine she would say something like that, and David Frost just lets it slide right by him... I would have said "WTH?" You have reason to believe Laden dead? Can you repeat what you just said?

I don't buy it.... She knew Laden was already dead.... she said it... David Frost didn't react to it... Now pre election, Laden dead again.... body buried at sea... Obama the hero.... Great re-election returns from morons voting because Obama re-killed the man who has been dead since 2001.

I don't buy any of this shit...

And by the way.... Where is Julian Assange ? If we should be behind anyone outside of Ron Paul, it should be this man our terrorist government is raping.. What are we doing on behalf of him and his exposure of the mafia/crime riden and controlled federal government?

 

[Mach]

It was probably just an "Obama 2012er," that's all I see everywhere I go online, people sitting around saying that Bush couldn't get the job done so Obama had to take care of it.... and that he is such a "hero."

But yes, it is some kind of manipulation.

 

[Anti Federalist]

nuclear attack (probably Chicago) --> war with Pakistan

Three Waters...

St. Marys...

God help us.

 

[Nate-ForLiberty]

Why do you say Chicago? Curious because I live there...

false flag attacks require a security stand down. You've got the right guy for the job sitting in the mayor's office. (of course, he'll be out of town that day). Plus Chicago is big enough to elicit massive response, while not being completely vital to overseas operations.

but seriously, what do I know... It just seems like the logical next step (if i were I psychopath)

I don't think an attack will come until after the next election.

 

[Lothario]

what about:

 

[mport1]

false flag attacks require a security stand down. You've got the right guy for the job sitting in the mayor's office. (of course, he'll be out of town that day). Plus Chicago is big enough to elicit massive response, while not being completely vital to overseas operations.

but seriously, what do I know... It just seems like the logical next step (if i were I psychopath)

I don't think an attack will come until after the next election.

Yeah, could happen but I hope your wrong. I am worried that another attack is bound to happen unless we immediately pull out of the middle east.

 

[jonhowe]

I think this forum has gone off the deep end.

Sorry guys.

Our assassination wasn't legal, I'll agree there. 9-11 was caused (but not justified, 2 wrongs don't make a right) by blowback for US actions globally, I'll agree there. Obama deserves credit only for making what is, to most people, an obvious choice that most Americans would have made, I'll agree there.
There is a massive conspiracy among our leaders that plans and executes blag flag attacks without ANYONE ever leaking, including after 9-11... I don't buy it, sorry.

Why do you all support Ron Paul if he clearly states that 9-11 was caused by blowback? He, like most people, agrees that Bin Laden plotted and financed the suicide attacks that day. If he's so wrong on such a HUGE issue, how can you possibly support him?
Or is it just a CONSPIRACY that Ron believes that? Is he just saying it to get elected? Well, then why would you support such a dishonest man?

 

[Anti Federalist]

I think this forum has gone off the deep end.

So, your answer is no?

 

[KramerDSP]

I think this forum has gone off the deep end.

Sorry guys.

Our assassination wasn't legal, I'll agree there. 9-11 was caused (but not justified, 2 wrongs don't make a right) by blowback for US actions globally, I'll agree there. Obama deserves credit only for making what is, to most people, an obvious choice that most Americans would have made, I'll agree there.
There is a massive conspiracy among our leaders that plans and executes blag flag attacks without ANYONE ever leaking, including after 9-11... I don't buy it, sorry.

Why do you all support Ron Paul if he clearly states that 9-11 was caused by blowback? He, like most people, agrees that Bin Laden plotted and financed the suicide attacks that day. If he's so wrong on such a HUGE issue, how can you possibly support him?
Or is it just a CONSPIRACY that Ron believes that? Is he just saying it to get elected? Well, then why would you support such a dishonest man?

Some people on this thread are talking about false flag attacks. Some are talking about the US possibly going to war with Pakistan. Some are feeling anxious about terrorist attacks coming up. Most of us are feeling UNEASY. That's the key word here, and I think that's what this thread is about. Something does not pass the smell test, and something feels wrong. I agree with the guy who said our brains are still processing all of this and trying to reach some semblence of understanding.

 

[mport1]

I think this forum has gone off the deep end.

Sorry guys.

Our assassination wasn't legal, I'll agree there. 9-11 was caused (but not justified, 2 wrongs don't make a right) by blowback for US actions globally, I'll agree there. Obama deserves credit only for making what is, to most people, an obvious choice that most Americans would have made, I'll agree there.
There is a massive conspiracy among our leaders that plans and executes blag flag attacks without ANYONE ever leaking, including after 9-11... I don't buy it, sorry.

Why do you all support Ron Paul if he clearly states that 9-11 was caused by blowback? He, like most people, agrees that Bin Laden plotted and financed the suicide attacks that day. If he's so wrong on such a HUGE issue, how can you possibly support him?
Or is it just a CONSPIRACY that Ron believes that? Is he just saying it to get elected? Well, then why would you support such a dishonest man?

Yeah, I don't understand where conspiracy theorists flock to Ron Paul when Ron Paul is not a conspiracy theorist. Not to mention that 9/11 truth and other conspiracies have nothing to do with the ideas of liberty.

 

[Nate-ForLiberty]

I think this forum has gone off the deep end.

Sorry guys.

Our assassination wasn't legal, I'll agree there. 9-11 was caused (but not justified, 2 wrongs don't make a right) by blowback for US actions globally, I'll agree there. Obama deserves credit only for making what is, to most people, an obvious choice that most Americans would have made, I'll agree there.
There is a massive conspiracy among our leaders that plans and executes blag flag attacks without ANYONE ever leaking, including after 9-11... I don't buy it, sorry.

Why do you all support Ron Paul if he clearly states that 9-11 was caused by blowback? He, like most people, agrees that Bin Laden plotted and financed the suicide attacks that day. If he's so wrong on such a HUGE issue, how can you possibly support him?
Or is it just a CONSPIRACY that Ron believes that? Is he just saying it to get elected? Well, then why would you support such a dishonest man?

divisive post is divisive.

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[jonhowe]

Some people on this thread are talking about false flag attacks. Some are talking about the US possibly going to war with Pakistan. Some are feeling anxious about terrorist attacks coming up. Most of us are feeling UNEASY. That's the key word here, and I think that's what this thread is about. Something does not pass the smell test, and something feels wrong. I agree with the guy who said our brains are still processing all of this and trying to reach some semblence of understanding.

True, sorry. I've just been reading a LOT of "truther" and "the government is going to get us now" talk this evening. I guess I took it all out on this one thread.

But, the point still stands.

 

[RM918]

I think this forum has gone off the deep end.

Sorry guys.

Our assassination wasn't legal, I'll agree there. 9-11 was caused (but not justified, 2 wrongs don't make a right) by blowback for US actions globally, I'll agree there. Obama deserves credit only for making what is, to most people, an obvious choice that most Americans would have made, I'll agree there.
There is a massive conspiracy among our leaders that plans and executes blag flag attacks without ANYONE ever leaking, including after 9-11... I don't buy it, sorry.

Why do you all support Ron Paul if he clearly states that 9-11 was caused by blowback? He, like most people, agrees that Bin Laden plotted and financed the suicide attacks that day. If he's so wrong on such a HUGE issue, how can you possibly support him?
Or is it just a CONSPIRACY that Ron believes that? Is he just saying it to get elected? Well, then why would you support such a dishonest man?

I personally hold the position that, until there's an independent, trustworthy investigation of 9/11 without the government having thrown away all the evidence, I don't know for CERTAIN what happened. I think the most likely answer is that bin Laden did it and the government is hiding a great deal of their incompetence or even complicity in the plot. But even then, I'm not going to pretend like I know exactly what happened.

I don't necessarily agree with people who believe 9/11 was an inside job, that the towers were demolished by the government or that Mossad did it, but I can see how they'd like to nail down a theory and stick with it. What I think harms them the most is how they treat that theory as if it is a fact and you are a goddamned naive idiot if you do not believe them, jumping on any mention of bin Laden or the 'official story' with angry charges about how none of it matters because it is so clearly an inside job. That kind of behavior from some on their side doesn't help people get along, although there is misbehavior on both sides.

 

[jonhowe]

divisive post is divisive.

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This is a Ron Paul message board. Those saying 9-11 was a hoax and Osama is alive are tarnishing Ron and are the ones being decisive, not I.

 

[Nate-ForLiberty]

They have everything to do with Liberty!! How can you have Liberty if you don't have the Truth!? YOU CAN'T!!!

We "flock" to Ron Paul because the mundanes will believe him when he talks about Liberty. He is an honest man that has lived a principled life. We don't have to agree on everything when we agree on most things.

To segregate a portion of Ron Paul supporters and say that they don't make sense, and to call them out by postulating that "conspiracy theories" have nothing to do with Liberty is not only ignorant it's FOOLISH!

They are Ron Paul supporters and Liberty supporters!!! Shut the fuck up!

I'm a goddamn atheist. I believe all religion is fucking tyranny. Do you see me calling out all Christians because I think religion has nothing to do with Liberty!?! FUCK NO!

WAKE UP and STOP BEING DOLTS! We're on the same fucking side.


*You aren't better because you think differently about some things.

 

[Anti Federalist]

You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later.

They have everything to do with Liberty!! How can you have Liberty if you don't have the Truth!? YOU CAN'T!!!

We "flock" to Ron Paul because the mundanes will believe him when he talks about Liberty. He is an honest man that has lived a principled life. We don't have to agree on everything when we agree on most things.

To segregate a portion of Ron Paul supporters and say that they don't make sense, and to call them out by postulating that "conspiracy theories" have nothing to do with Liberty is not only ignorant it's FOOLISH!

They are Ron Paul supporters and Liberty supporters!!! Shut the fuck up!

I'm a goddamn atheist. I believe all religion is fucking tyranny. Do you see me calling out all Christians because I think religion has nothing to do with Liberty!?! FUCK NO!

WAKE UP and STOP BEING DOLTS! We're on the same fucking side.

*You aren't better because you think differently about some things.

 

[jonhowe]

I'm a goddamn atheist. I believe all religion is fucking tyranny. Do you see me calling out all Christians because I think religion has nothing to do with Liberty!?!

WAKE UP and STOP BEING DOLTS! We're on the same fucking side.

Well, I'm not sure if it was you specifically, but people of your viewpoint REPEATEDLY call those of us who think that 9-11 was Osama's doing "sheep" and other such terms. EDIT: The term you specifically chose was "mundanes".

I too am an atheist and agree with your thoughts, but also keep such statements to myself because it wouldn't help Ron if I promoted him alongside my "radical" ideology. Promoting "9-11 truth", as you call it, alongside Ron is EXACTLY what you just claimed you don't want to be doing. You're associating him with a radical ideology which he does NOT agree with, and turning people off because of it.

Please, feel free to think what you will of 9-11, but bringing it up in almost every discussion of Ron Paul and current events is going to do the same harm you claim you are trying to avoid.

 

[Lothario]

I wonder how many '9/11 conspiracy' bashers have watched Loose Change: Final Cut in it's entirety...

 

[CMoore]

Here is what bothers me. I am one of those who believe Bin Laden has been dead for a while. Even the Israelis thought he was dead. Many people believe he was dead. It is logical to think he was dead. He was a very sick man and he just seemed to drop off the map. Now all of a sudden we have found and killed him. There are two possibilities.

1. He was not indeed dead and we really did find and kill him. If this is the case, then there is not so much to worry about if you overlook the fact we invaded Pakistan to do the deal and the blow back that may entail.
2. If he really was dead, and this is a charade, then we have a lot to worry about because we have to ask the question of the motivation of putting on this giant charade. Is it to cover up and explain the next big false flag or what? In that case we can expect "retaliation" and further erosion of our civil liberties.

Since I tended to think he was dead, then the second case is the one I think is going down and I am very, very afraid.

 

[Distinguished Gentleman]

Cognitive Dissonance really is part of it. We're supposed to be celebrating as Americans, but we know this will result in more support for war and the truly irredeemable Obama. There was even a small hope I had that a slightly less sucky republcan in his place, and even that hope has dwindled. It's like something we're supposed to be really happy about has happened, but we know it won't result in anything good.

Like Matt Collins said, there really is something nauseating about all the nationalism. I love my country as an extension of loving my neighbor, but can't stand these Ra Ra, go team go speeches. Or support our troops, keep them at war, bizarre rhetoric. It just make me more isolated and distrustful of the public and democracy.