Do you see Donald Trump as a bigot/racist?

[RonPaulMall]

It's the latter, I think I can actually make out Bill Clinton's arm up Trump's backside manipulating him every time he speaks.

You don't know Trump in the slightest if you think he would let some backwater hick from Arkansas manipulate him. Trump is in it to win it. If anything, Bill Clinton is his bitch because despite how awful and "racist" The Donald is, Bill still hasn't surrendered his membership at Trump's Golf Course. Eventually the media will make him I suppose, but it says a lot about Bill and Hillary's marriage that Bill has thus far chosen his home golf club over his wife.

 

[klamath]

You don't know Trump in the slightest if you think he would let some backwater hick from Arkansas manipulate him. Trump is in it to win it. If anything, Bill Clinton is his bitch because despite how awful and "racist" The Donald is, Bill still hasn't surrendered his membership at Trump's Golf Course. Eventually the media will make him I suppose, but it says a lot about Bill and Hillary's marriage that Bill has thus far chosen his home golf club over his wife.

Then we can blame Trump for Clintons polices if Clinton is his bitch.

 

[RonPaulMall]

Then we can blame Trump for Clintons polices if Clinton is his bitch.

No, because Clinton didn't live in New York and require the use the course while he was President and even if he did, he couldn't have because at that point it was still the relatively shabby Briar Hall Country Club. Trump didn't buy it and turn it in to the luxurious Trump National Westchester until Bill was already out of office. That it is so new and so nice is why Bill is so unwilling to give up his membership.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Are you saying that their numbers were declining instead of rising during that time period? That the chart is wrong?

If the number of undocumented immigrants was actually falling, then we certainly don't have a problem with illegal immigration. If the number was rising and you only object to the scale (amount) of illegal immigrants, then the correlation still exists that despite a rise in these illegal "killer" immigrants has not led to a rise in homicides but the opposite as the chart shows. That means we aren't "importing killers" as some suggest.

If ONE American dies at the hands of an illegal alien, it is too many. As I suppose you would think too if one of your family members was murdered by one. They are in the country illegally. Which means they shouldn't be here. And if they were not, those killed by their hands would still be alive.

 

[klamath]

No, because Clinton didn't live in New York and require the use the course while he was President and even if he did, he couldn't have because at that point it was still the relatively shabby Briar Hall Country Club. Trump didn't buy it and turn it in to the luxurious Trump National Westchester until Bill was already out of office. That it is so new and so nice is why Bill is so unwilling to give up his membership.

Yep it is all about golf the world revolves around it. yep every policy in the world in based on who lets who play on their golf course. I guess I have heard it all now.

 

[Zippyjuan]

If ONE American dies at the hands of an illegal alien, it is too many. As I suppose you would think too if one of your family members was murdered by one. They are in the country illegally. Which means they shouldn't be here. And if they were not, those killed by their hands would still be alive.

A weak argument. If one person is killed by a gun, that is one person to many. Which means they should not be here. Suppose somebody in your family was killed by a gun. If there were no guns, there would be no shootings and all those people would still be alive. This also applies to cars and family members- you are far more likely to be killed by a gun or a family member or a car or a citizen than an immigrant. Let's make those illegal as well.

 

[dusman]

I had to vote Yes over Trump's position on banning all Muslims. He made it pretty clear on O'Reilly that he meant it completely and thought it through to call for a ban on immigration from an entire religion. That I think qualifies at suggesting he is a bigot, but I don't make any distinction if only for "political expediency". Rand's stance on immigration from 30 or so countries that have radical Islam or state-sponsor terror, that makes sense and is reasonable. Banning Muslims coming from say Indonesia, India, or the Philippines doesn't make much sense... nor is it practical.

 

[Sergeant Brother]

Politics in the USA (and the Western world for that matter) has in the last several decades become so fanatically anti-white that when a candidate comes along who actually isn't a racist (that is, he isn't explicitly anti-white) people act like he's Adolf Hitler.

 

[kahless]

I had to vote Yes over Trump's position on banning all Muslims. He made it pretty clear on O'Reilly that he meant it completely and thought it through to call for a ban on immigration from an entire religion. That I think qualifies at suggesting he is a bigot, but I don't make any distinction if only for "political expediency". Rand's stance on immigration from 30 or so countries that have radical Islam or state-sponsor terror, that makes sense and is reasonable. Banning Muslims coming from say Indonesia, India, or the Philippines doesn't make much sense... nor is it practical.

The problem is America's PC culture has people believing Muslims live peacefully throughout this world with people of other faiths. Your post is a perfect example of this when you list a country like Indonesia at the top of your list, a country known for persecution of Christians.

If people would simply look at what is going with Christians in countries with predominately Islamic populations they would realize it has nothing to do with bigotry restricting Muslim immigration but rather logic when you see the ongoing Jihad against Christians. Logic dictates if you are a nation of Christians, importing those of the Muslim faith will ultimately result in Jihad within your own borders.

Muslim militants' burning of churches, persecution of Christians in Indonesia spurred by imams' jihad order
http://www.christiantoday.com/artic...onesia.spurred.by.imams.jihad.order/70601.htm
15 November 2015

Indonesian imams have ordered jihad against Christians living in the Aceh region, giving Muslim militants the mandate to attack and burn churches and driving away many members of minority groups to bordering provinces, according to a report.

Gatestone Institute's report titled "The Indonesia Jihad on Christian Churches'' said violence in the Sharia-law governed region began in October with Islamic leaders calling on Muslims to torch area churches, Fox News said.

"We will not stop hunting Christians and burning churches. Christians are Allah's enemies," one Islamic leader said, according to the report.
...
The violent clashes displaced a total 8,000 Christians in Aceh and killed a Muslim attacker who was shot in the head, it said.

 

[alucard13mm]

Most of the white shooter did not do it for god or jesus. Most white shooters were just losers, bullied or on ssri. The only one was the colorado spring abortion clinic.

nothing wrong with restricting travel to non citizens not in the usa. Imo freedom of travel only applies within US borders.

The more terrorists we import, the more terror attacks, the more loss in freedoms, the more the us bombs middle east, the more terrorists are created from blowback, the more terrorists come to usa or is created in usa.

Those that say many attacks are home grown... what do you suggest we do? If an american born muslim gets that pissed off from random muslims getting bombed on the other side of the world and Goes on and starts shooting people he knows or fellow citizens.. what should we do? Obviously this dude holds allegiance to islam and not his fellow people he grew up with.

You also dont have viet refugees and viet americans planning attacks in usa during vietnam war...

 

[Sola_Fide]

Racist, authoritarian, fascist...Trump is a lot of things.

 

[Brett85]

Why would he need to?

He has talked about stopping ILLEGAL immigration and importing Muslims from foreign countries who hate us, at least until we get our government out of the Middle East.

You talk like you think the U.S. has some requirement to let anyone and everyone come in our country. We don't. End of story.

How do you ban all Muslims from coming into the United States? What if Muslims just lie and claim not to be Muslims in order to come here? I don't think that either you or Trump have thought this through.

 

[alucard13mm]

How do you ban all Muslims from coming into the United States? What if Muslims just lie and claim not to be Muslims in order to come here? I don't think that either you or Trump have thought this through.

The reason why its appealing to the gop crowd, compare to rands plan, is the fact is christians, jews yzidis, and non muslims are indeed being persecuted and have not done any attacks on US nor citizens. Rand says not to allow anyone from terrorist countries to come in, which is fine and dandy.. but those minority groups are fooked. Taking in non muslims is low risk.

Now you have a point on how to figure out who is muslim or not. The point is, its not unconsitutional to control our borders. Our constitutional laws dont apply to no citizens not in our country.

 

[Danke]

How do you ban all Muslims from coming into the United States? What if Muslims just lie and claim not to be Muslims in order to come here? I don't think that either you or Trump have thought this through.

Bacon.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Here's a comment I had, that I'll just dump into the first Trump thread I see:

I watched his Town Hall today. Every single question he got, people were clamoring for specifics.
"Specifically what is your plan..."
"What are the specific steps...."
"Can you give us some specifics on...."
And with every single answer, he gave no specifics at all. Instead falling into his old talking points heavily laden with superlatives.

It's clear that he's A-OK with government entitlements, subsidies, protectionism....the whole deal. Based on my impression of that speech, I would describe him as establishment....but a different establishment. It could be that he's simply being smart, and not fighting on the issues he knows he's not going to win. Or it could be that he doesn't have any deep philosophical foundation on anything, and is instead just running with whatever sounds good to him.

In short, he's a Nationalist. But also a Socialist. You put two and two together

 

[kahless]

Muslim Persecution of Christians: A Centuries Old Tradition
And what makes it uniquely troubling.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/250848/muslim-persecution-christians-centuries-old-raymond-ibrahim

The one glaring fact concerning the persecution of approximately 100 million Christians around the world today is that the overwhelming majority of it is being committed by Muslims of all races, nationalities, languages, and socio-political circumstances: Muslims from among America’s allies (Saudi Arabia) and from its enemies (Iran); Muslims from economically rich nations (Qatar) and from poor nations (Somalia and Yemen); Muslims from “Islamic republic” nations (Afghanistan) and from “moderate” nations (Malaysia and Indonesia); Muslims from nations rescued by America (Kuwait) and Muslims from nations claiming “grievances” against the U.S. (fill in the blank __).

This fact is underscored in Open Doors’ recent 2015 World Watch List—a report that highlights and ranks the 50 worst nations persecuting Christians. It finds that “Islamic extremism” is the main source of persecution in 40 of the top 50 countries—that is, 80 percent of the nations where Christians are persecuted are Muslim. As for the top ten worst countries persecuting Christians, nine of them are Muslim-majority—that is, 90 percent of nations where Christians experience “extreme persecution” are Muslim.

Christians Persecuted by Muslims Even in the West
http://www.meforum.org/5573/christians-muslim-persecution

According to a September 30 report, in Germany, "Many Christian refugees from Syria, Iraq or Kurdistan are being intimidated and attacked by Muslim refugees. In several refugee centers set up by the local authorities, Sharia law is being imposed and Christians—which are a minority—are the victims of bullying."

Christian refugees who make it to Western shores continue to be attacked by Muslims.

Gottfried Martens, pastor of a south Berlin church, said that "very religious Muslims are spreading the following idea throughout the refugee centers: Sharia law rules wherever we are." Martens expressed especial concern for Muslims who convert to Christianity—apostates who, according to Islamic law, can be killed: "There is a 100% chance that these people will be attacked."

9 of 10 Worst Countries for Persecution of Christians Have 50% or Greater Muslim Populations
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...secution-christians-have-50-or-greater-muslim

Nine of the 10 countries with the worst records for persecution of Christians have populations that are at least 50 percent Muslim, according to the assessment of persecution in the Open Doors USA's World Watch List (WWL) 2015 and population information published by the State Department and the Central Intelligence Agency.

 

[Sergeant Brother]

[/B]

Of course, even assuming that this guy was motivated by Christianity, abortion related violence (aside from the abortion itself) is exceptionally rare in the USA. The USA is about 70% Christian and our Christians are some of the more devout that you'll find in the first world. Despite this fact, not only is violence against abortion clinics exceptionally rare here, but there are plenty of atheists and non-Christians who are perfectly safe to say terrible things against Christianity, piss on a Crucifix, paint the virgin Mary with poop, depict Jesus having gay sex, and so on.

In France, where the population is only about 5% Muslim, there is vastly more violence motivated by Islam than violence motivated by Christianity in the USA. People in France can't draw a picture of Mohammed without putting their lives in jeopardy. There are neighborhoods in Paris where French girls have to wear hijabs to avoid being gang raped by Muslims. This is with only a 5% Muslim population. Imagine if it were 70% like Christianity in the USA.

So there is good and bad within very group, but to compare Christianity and Islam is absurd. More than absurd, it is actively malicious and hateful. It's even worse to lay this shooting at the feet of Christian conservatives while calling people racist bigots for pointing out the frequent misbehavior of Muslims.

 

[seapilot]

He is a showman and he has an audience. Reminds me of a ringmaster in a circus.

He will say anything to win. If he gets the GOP nod then he will change his tune to something else. People have short memories in the current 24/7 infotainment world. The majority of the country would vote Hillary in and she is corrupt to the core.

Everyone here knows the game by now. Its all entertainment, for ratings. Make the people think they have a choice. Like football everyone has a team, but the NFL makes all the money, does not matter who wins or loses.

 

[RonPaulMall]

The reason why its appealing to the gop crowd, compare to rands plan, is the fact is christians, jews yzidis, and non muslims are indeed being persecuted and have not done any attacks on US nor citizens. Rand says not to allow anyone from terrorist countries to come in, which is fine and dandy.. but those minority groups are fooked. Taking in non muslims is low risk.

Now you have a point on how to figure out who is muslim or not. The point is, its not unconsitutional to control our borders. Our constitutional laws dont apply to no citizens not in our country.

Exactly. What we need is a combination of Trump and Rand's plans that also allow for the small number of truly exceptional Muslims that pose no risk a path to entry as well as allowing a small number of Christian refugees from Terrorist nations. And I think that is exactly what we will get in the end.

 

[Ender]

My POV on Trump: