Do we write-in Ron Paul or bury McCain and vote for his opponent?
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I just skimmed this thread and I want to comment about voting for Obama. If you think voting for Obama will help the country in any way then someone has slipped you some of the infamous Koolaid.
I'll write in Paul's name, or if that isn't relevant in some way I'll just do what I normally do on election days, stay home. I've been protesting the system by not voting for all but 2 elections since 1976. You can't win by voting for one of two identical choices.
I'll write in Paul's name, or if that isn't relevant in some way I'll just do what I normally do on election days, stay home. I've been protesting the system by not voting for all but 2 elections since 1976. You can't win by voting for one of two identical choices.
I think we have to wait and see. Depending on who is the LP nominee. Even if it is another party we really dont discuss much. But I think there has to be an effort to vote together in some manner. If Paul gets 200,000 write in. LP gets 500,000 votes, Constitution Party gets 250,000 we will have effectively dropped off the earth. But imagine a quality candidate getting 2 million votes. That is what we need to start out as. People who are very loyal to the county not their own interests who have to be dealt with.
Of course it's far too early to make a definitive decision on the matter, but if by election time I am convenienced that the liberal democrat is going to win the election, I will write in Ron Paul. If, however, I am not convenienced the liberal democrat (preferably, Obama) is going to win the election, I will vote for the liberal democrat and start working on the 2010 and 2012 elections.
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I agree with this.
If there is one thing this Ron Paul movement has taught me, it is to no longer, ever, vote for the lesser of two evils. I've done that too many times in my short voting career. By voting against McCain by voting for Obama or Clinton you're just supporting the system that we've been fighting hard to change for the past year. Our numbers need to be seen in the general election and lumping them into the Democrats number will prove nothing.
Ron Paul has still not COMPLETELY ruled out an independent run, and even if he doesn't go that route, that's not to say there will not be a candidate he endorses that we can all rally behind.
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whatever you do , DO NOT VOTE FOR MCCAIN, and let every republican you know to do the samething
maybe even run anti-mccain ads in your paper and put under it. Paid for by REPUBLICANS SAVING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY or along those lines. I think we should all try to run anti mccain ads in the next few months this will help for the convention
maybe even run anti-mccain ads in your paper and put under it. Paid for by REPUBLICANS SAVING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY or along those lines. I think we should all try to run anti mccain ads in the next few months this will help for the convention
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National Taxpayers Union tells us that Obama's campaign promises would cost us $300 Billion dollars...McCain's about 7 Billion
http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=97
The best possible federal government for us is one that is gridlocked i.e., a Democrat congress and Republican president or vice versa.
If Obama (or Clinton) gets in, and Dems control Congress, we are looking at unprecedented Socialistic legislature pushed through, and fast. The resulting tax increases will be significant and probably never be undone.
Considering, as of now, there is no reason to believe Dems will lose control of Congress, despite McCain being the worst presidential candidate in history, we don't want a Democrat Congress and President.
I want our military back in the U.S. and out of other countries as much as anyone, however, once Obama or Clinton get in the whitehouse, they'll become part of the military industrial complex and will find a reason to follow the same warmongering path as Bush and McCain.
http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=97
The best possible federal government for us is one that is gridlocked i.e., a Democrat congress and Republican president or vice versa.
If Obama (or Clinton) gets in, and Dems control Congress, we are looking at unprecedented Socialistic legislature pushed through, and fast. The resulting tax increases will be significant and probably never be undone.
Considering, as of now, there is no reason to believe Dems will lose control of Congress, despite McCain being the worst presidential candidate in history, we don't want a Democrat Congress and President.
I want our military back in the U.S. and out of other countries as much as anyone, however, once Obama or Clinton get in the whitehouse, they'll become part of the military industrial complex and will find a reason to follow the same warmongering path as Bush and McCain.
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I'm writing in Ron Paul.
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I don't think anyone is saying Obama will help this country. In fact I don't think anyone is saying ANY of the candidates will help this country. Most people are trying to battle the decision of voting strategically (several ways to do this) or voting my conscience (which may in effect be a useless vote but we can feel good about it). I'm hoping we can do both as the cards play out and we really know where we stand after the Convention.
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Since when does the war cost tax payers only $7 billion? Is this a two day estimate?
The actual Iraq or Iran war (though a major concern) ISN'T the primary concern with McCain being in office. It is the police state. It is continuing the Bush agenda. Patriot Act 2, destroying the FISA court, Homegrown Terrorist Act, Social Security Surveillance Act, Real ID...... the list will go on and on. There will be no Freedom left to even PULL OFF a Movement in the future if McCain takes office. The war is a footnote compared to the REAL damage he could do to this Movement.
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Since when does the war cost tax payers only $7 billion? Is this a two day estimate?
The actual Iraq or Iran war (though a major concern) ISN'T the primary concern with McCain being in office. It is the police state. It is continuing the Bush agenda. Patriot Act 2, destroying the FISA court, Homegrown Terrorist Act, Social Security Surveillance Act, Real ID...... the list will go on and on. There will be no Freedom left to even PULL OFF a Movement in the future if McCain takes office. The war is a footnote compared to the REAL damage he could do to this Movement.
No kidding! and he actually has a history of destroying freedom too. Just look at the bills he has sponsored, like McCain/Feingold etc. Not only does he WANT to destroy liberty, he has a HISTORY of destroying liberty, LONG before 9/11.
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Whatever party Ron Paul is running in is the party I will support. There is no other candidate that represents what a president should be other than Ron Paul. I wrote his name in during the last election when he was not even running for president.
If our campaign managers of each state that allows for write-in votes does not ensure that the proper filings are made for Ron Paul in the time frame that is required,then shame on them.
The rank and file GOP will be sending electorates to the electoral college and you can bet your bottom dollar that they will be voting for the "maverick". This will hurt us big time.
The electoral college vote totals supercede the popular vote.
Anyone have an idea on how to overcome the electoral college??
I cannot, and will not vote for any other than Ron Paul. I will not vote strategically, and will fight tooth and nail anyone who tries to subvert our liberties.
If our campaign managers of each state that allows for write-in votes does not ensure that the proper filings are made for Ron Paul in the time frame that is required,then shame on them.
The rank and file GOP will be sending electorates to the electoral college and you can bet your bottom dollar that they will be voting for the "maverick". This will hurt us big time.
The electoral college vote totals supercede the popular vote.
Anyone have an idea on how to overcome the electoral college??
I cannot, and will not vote for any other than Ron Paul. I will not vote strategically, and will fight tooth and nail anyone who tries to subvert our liberties.
For all those voting the lesser of two evils which seems to be the majority here it appears you just want to go back to politics as usual.
Any vote for the big three is given the winner a mandate to institute his radical changes.
Bush was kind of a lame duck with his slim election victory in 2000 but it was only after 911 and his approval ratings hit 80% did he get the worst of his agenda through.
Don't fall for the polls showing a close election and thinking your vote will make a difference in a swing state. I don't believe it is going to be close in reality and your vote will only add to a margen of victory and mandate I don't think you want.
Huge blocks of votes for freedom loving constitutional third party candidates will be noticed, especially by the losing party. They are going to be looking at those votes and trying to figure out how to draw those vote in the next election. It doesn't matter what party. this is how you get real change.
Of the big three that are likely to win this fall we are Fu**** one way of another. Please don't give any one of them a mandate. Your vote will never be seen as vote for freedom but a vote for their agenda. If their agenda is what you want, why the He** did you ever support RP?
Any vote for the big three is given the winner a mandate to institute his radical changes.
Bush was kind of a lame duck with his slim election victory in 2000 but it was only after 911 and his approval ratings hit 80% did he get the worst of his agenda through.
Don't fall for the polls showing a close election and thinking your vote will make a difference in a swing state. I don't believe it is going to be close in reality and your vote will only add to a margen of victory and mandate I don't think you want.
Huge blocks of votes for freedom loving constitutional third party candidates will be noticed, especially by the losing party. They are going to be looking at those votes and trying to figure out how to draw those vote in the next election. It doesn't matter what party. this is how you get real change.
Of the big three that are likely to win this fall we are Fu**** one way of another. Please don't give any one of them a mandate. Your vote will never be seen as vote for freedom but a vote for their agenda. If their agenda is what you want, why the He** did you ever support RP?
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Since when does the war cost tax payers only $7 billion? Is this a two day estimate?
The actual Iraq or Iran war (though a major concern) ISN'T the primary concern with McCain being in office. It is the police state. It is continuing the Bush agenda. Patriot Act 2, destroying the FISA court, Homegrown Terrorist Act, Social Security Surveillance Act, Real ID...... the list will go on and on. There will be no Freedom left to even PULL OFF a Movement in the future if McCain takes office. The war is a footnote compared to the REAL damage he could do to this Movement.
check the votes, the Dems voted for all of these... Patriot Act, Real ID, etc.
like I mentioned, Clinton or Obama will, in the end, further the military industrial complex, almost as well as McCain will
by the way, here's how Paul stacks up against the Presidential candidates that will continue to spend us into oblivion
http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=141
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Screw the GOP
To all these poeple who say they are writing in Ron Paul, how are you going to do that in states that have computer type voting, you have no paper just a screen.
Seriously can anyone that pulled for Ron Paul vote for McCain?
You know if the selection of the delegate process was honest and trustworthy then people could say oh well it wasn't time. But over and over we get reports how the GOP is screwing Ron Paul supporters when they get to the delegate selection process.
So I say this... THE GOP IS SCREWING US, WE SCREW THEM RIGHT BACK IN NOVEMBER! No matter what don't vote for McCain, and if the state polls show its really close where you live hold your nose and vote for Obama. The GOP can't get away with this they must pay the price and learn not to piss off it's own supporters.
Ron Paul supporters need to get on the news and say I supported Ron Paul, but the GOP rejected me so I reject them, I now support Obama, it needs to be well known.
To all these poeple who say they are writing in Ron Paul, how are you going to do that in states that have computer type voting, you have no paper just a screen.
Seriously can anyone that pulled for Ron Paul vote for McCain?
You know if the selection of the delegate process was honest and trustworthy then people could say oh well it wasn't time. But over and over we get reports how the GOP is screwing Ron Paul supporters when they get to the delegate selection process.
So I say this... THE GOP IS SCREWING US, WE SCREW THEM RIGHT BACK IN NOVEMBER! No matter what don't vote for McCain, and if the state polls show its really close where you live hold your nose and vote for Obama. The GOP can't get away with this they must pay the price and learn not to piss off it's own supporters.
Ron Paul supporters need to get on the news and say I supported Ron Paul, but the GOP rejected me so I reject them, I now support Obama, it needs to be well known.
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