Did God Command Genocide During the Conquest of Canaan?

[Occam's Banana]

Google is your friend.

No it isn't.

 

[jmdrake]

No it isn't.

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[jmdrake]

There's a lot packed into this claim.

1) What does it mean to be a different species?
2) Considered by whom?
3) What makes them right?

Human Family Tree

humanorigins.si.edu

 

[Occam's Banana]

It was just a throwaway joke, but ...

Then use DuckDuckGo or whatever it is you want to use.

... they aren't your friends, either.

 

[Invisible Man]

Human Family Tree

humanorigins.si.edu

I don't dispute that you accurately characterized what some people think.

 

[jmdrake]

I don't dispute that you accurately characterized what some people think.

Okay. Well maybe I don't understand your question and/or you don't undertand my position. This is my position. The scientific belief, that humans interbred with another species, fits an interepretation of the Genesis narrative that I think is at least plausible and possibly the most straight forward reading of it. That's it.

 

[Invisible Man]

Okay. Well maybe I don't understand your question and/or you don't undertand my position. This is my position. The scientific belief, that humans interbred with another species, fits an interepretation of the Genesis narrative that I think is at least plausible and possibly the most straight forward reading of it. That's it.

I will try to get back and write up a response when I have time to do it adequately. But I think you're mixing up what are the bare facts and what are just ways of framing and categorizing those facts.

 

[Intrepid]

My theory is the god that chose the Israelites is not the God that Jesus prayed to. To me it's the only reasonable explanation as to: #1. Why is the god of the Old Testament a brutal, judgmental and genocidal god, but the God of the New Testament is loving and merciful? and #2. The Old Testament (KJV 1611) has the word Yahweh over 6000 times, and the New Testament exactly zero. Why didn't Jesus use the word Yahweh?

Try reading the Old Testament (especially Genesis and Exodus) like a history book, rather than a scriptural book, i.e., question the narrative and read the white parts AND the black parts. Keep in mind that the victors write the history, always.

 

[Snowball]

The AI summary of this video says .... "Explore how Neanderthals and early humans coexisted for over 200,000 years, challenging previous evolutionary models. New fossil discoveries in the Levant reveal a complex history of interaction and gene flow. This compelling documentary uses DNA and archaeological evidence to paint a vivid picture of their shared lives."

If the scientists cannot even accurately date the fossils, I'm highly skeptical of any other conclusions they concoct up.

Having said that, back in the pre-flood days, humans lived much longer, had much better diets, much better environmental conditions. It's not surprising they were larger.

Side note, it's entirely impossible to use any scientific methods of dating beyond 4000-6000 years. They have absolutely no way of calibrating their instruments and methodology. It's pure speculation.

Although some of their religious debates are silly, the creation science content on you tube chan "Standing For Truth" is excellent.
Just in case you weren't aware.

 

[redmod79]

Although some of their religious debates are silly, the creation science content on you tube chan "Standing For Truth" is excellent.
Just in case you weren't aware.

Thanks. I also find Ron Wyatt's discoveries verifying Biblical history very interesting. https://www.youtube.com/@ronwyattcom

Walter Veith also has good videos on creation vs evolution, amongst other things.

 

[jmdrake]

Thanks. I also find Ron Wyatt's discoveries verifying Biblical history very interesting. https://www.youtube.com/@ronwyattcom

Walter Veith also has good videos on creation vs evolution, amongst other things.

So...just out of curiousity I looked up Walter Veith and the Book Of Enoch.



Funny enough I think ^this YouTuber is flat wrong when it comes to COVID policy (Jamaica and Belize absolutely implemented Sunday laws in response to COVID and while taking a vaccine isn't the same as drinking alcohol, people definitely have sincere reljigious beliefs about both that should be respected). But his deconstruction of Veith's views on the apocrapha seem spot on. I have a sibling who's very pro Walter Veith and I haven't made up my mind one way or the other.

 

[ClaytonB]

My theory is the god that chose the Israelites is not the God that Jesus prayed to.

This is factually incorrect.

"Now about the dead rising--have you not read in the book of Moses, in the account of the bush, how God said to him, 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!" (Mark 12:26,27) Here, Jesus explicitly affirms that his God is the God who called Abraham.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." (Matt. 5:17,18) Here, Jesus explicitly affirms that the Tanakh -- what we call the Old Testament -- is the word of God, that it will by no means disappear, and that every single prophecy in the Old Testament will be fulfilled, down to the letter.

To me it's the only reasonable explanation as to: #1. Why is the god of the Old Testament a brutal, judgmental and genocidal god, but the God of the New Testament is loving and merciful?

Anyone who says this has either (a) never read the Old Testament or (b) failed to comprehend what they were reading. Did you know that the word "love" is used far more in the Old Testament than in the New Testament? (425 times in the OT and 261 times in the NT, based on the NIV.) The Old Testament is filled with praise of God's mercy and compassion -- over 30 times the OT writers speak not only of God's love but of his unfailing love.

Jesus spoke about hell more than any other single person in Scripture. The worst thing that would happen to you in the Old Testament was that you would be stoned. In the New Testament, Jesus ups the ante to eternity --- the enemies of God will not merely be stoned to death, they will be burnt for all eternity in a lake of fire, burning alive in sulphur, from whence their smoke will rise for ever in the sight of God and the holy angels (Rev. 14:9-11, 20:10, etc.) Topheth (the lake of fire) is only rarely mentioned in the Old Testament (eg. Isa. 30:33).

The New Testament is far more vengeful, and far more dread in the severity of its warnings than the Old Testament. Jesus is, exactly as he claimed to be, one with the Father (John 10:30). There is no Kum-ba-ya/hippy Jesus in the Bible... that's the Antichrist, it's not Jesus of Nazareth.

and #2. The Old Testament (KJV 1611) has the word Yahweh over 6000 times, and the New Testament exactly zero. Why didn't Jesus use the word Yahweh?

The holy name of God is Hebrew, the New Testament was written in Greek. In addition, the usage of God's holy name in the Tanakh is unique to the Tanakh, the Jews did not utter God's name ever, not even when reading the Tanakh, in order to prevent the possibility of blaspheming it (see Exodus 20).

Try reading the Old Testament (especially Genesis and Exodus) like a history book, rather than a scriptural book, i.e., question the narrative and read the white parts AND the black parts. Keep in mind that the victors write the history, always.

I tried a critical reading of the life of David. What I eventually discovered is that cynicism is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you do not have FAITH that there is a good God who can turn sinful men for good purposes (Rom. 8:28, etc.), then you can never understand the Bible because you will always read it through the lens of the carnal mind which Paul tells us is spiritual blindness, Rom 8:6,7, etc. The Bible tells the full truth about the characters in it, which is why it has so many terrible people in it. Even Moses sinned against God at Meribah. Abraham, Jacob, David, etc. all the best people in the Bible were sinful and full of human flaws, and the others were even worse. That's because the Bible tells the whole truth, it doesn't whitewash these people. The darkness that the carnal mind wants to infer beyond what Scripture tells us is just that ... carnal blindness.

"In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." (2 Cor. 4:4)